icon wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 10:54 am
This team's biggest issue last year was offense. Pages offers little in the way of that. Why should he be guaranteed more than 1 start per week with the fallout of benching Herrera's bat? Pages should get 30 starts max unless he shows he can hit more.
^^^THIS^^^
Pages role should be like Siani's, late inning defensive replacement and 35-40 spot starts (Sinai way, way less starts).
NO WAY he starts every 3 games.
Oli playing the "cooler" again instead of riding the hot bat of Hererra.
When it comes to winning strategy, Oli ain’t it. When it comes to being Mr Nice Guy, he xcels. That reeks of like me not respect me.
Agreed
Also why he kept Winn at lead-off all spring even while the poor kid just kept burying himself deeper and deeper.
Many in here claim "if Oli like's you (re: Burleson, Pages, Sinai, ...), then he plays you".
Can't wait for him to be fired at seasons end, he's not qualified to be a ML Manager.
I have also never seen another manager pull cruising starters at such low putch counts as consistently as oli. He will try to squeeze 5 innings out of a struggling putcher with a high pitch count but will do stuff like pull fedde yesterday after 6 with pitch count of 73 like he hates letting starters pitch into the 7th unless he has no choice from taxed bullpen. He did it to gray a lot last year too.
It also seemed ti titally contradict what mo said about targeting lynn and gibsin because they were inning eaters to save pen but he wouldn't let starters eat inning when they had low pitch counts.
Makes even less sense to pull fedde early when we are going to a 6 man rotation that gives extra rest anyways
His downfall all started w/that stupid removal of "Q" in Game 1 vs the Phils when "Q" was cruising and had plenty left in the tank.
This.
Im fine with using analytics but there needs to be context and logic tio.
3rd time through order splits lumps days where a pitcher was struggling all day and laboring on fumes and having control problems by time he faced order 3rd time with days he was dominating and had total control and plenty in the tank coming to 3rd time in order where i doubt the result vs 3rd time in order is the same in those 2 scenarios so you cant just blindly trust the split and ignore how the pitcher is actually pitching that day.
icon wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 10:54 am
This team's biggest issue last year was offense. Pages offers little in the way of that. Why should he be guaranteed more than 1 start per week with the fallout of benching Herrera's bat? Pages should get 30 starts max unless he shows he can hit more.
^^^THIS^^^
Pages role should be like Siani's, late inning defensive replacement and 35-40 spot starts (Sinai way, way less starts).
NO WAY he starts every 3 games.
Oli playing the "cooler" again instead of riding the hot bat of Hererra.
When it comes to winning strategy, Oli ain’t it. When it comes to being Mr Nice Guy, he xcels. That reeks of like me not respect me.
Agreed
Also why he kept Winn at lead-off all spring even while the poor kid just kept burying himself deeper and deeper.
Many in here claim "if Oli like's you (re: Burleson, Pages, Sinai, ...), then he plays you".
Can't wait for him to be fired at seasons end, he's not qualified to be a ML Manager.
I have also never seen another manager pull cruising starters at such low putch counts as consistently as oli. He will try to squeeze 5 innings out of a struggling putcher with a high pitch count but will do stuff like pull fedde yesterday after 6 with pitch count of 73 like he hates letting starters pitch into the 7th unless he has no choice from taxed bullpen. He did it to gray a lot last year too.
It also seemed ti titally contradict what mo said about targeting lynn and gibsin because they were inning eaters to save pen but he wouldn't let starters eat inning when they had low pitch counts.
Makes even less sense to pull fedde early when we are going to a 6 man rotation that gives extra rest anyways
His downfall all started w/that stupid removal of "Q" in Game 1 vs the Phils when "Q" was cruising and had plenty left in the tank.
This.
Im fine with using analytics but there needs to be context and logic tio.
3rd time through order splits lumps days where a pitcher was struggling all day and laboring on fumes and having control problems by time he faced order 3rd time with days he was dominating and had total control and plenty in the tank coming to 3rd time in order where i doubt the result vs 3rd time in order is the same in those 2 scenarios so you cant just blindly trust the split and ignore how the pitcher is actually pitching that day.
The best Managers incorporate both advanced metrics and years of accumulated baseball knowledge, using their eye's (like Oli should've done when "Q" was mowing down Philly after Philly) instead of relying on a metric that only tells you WHAT HAS HAPPENED in the PAST and are NOT a predictor of WHAT WILL HAPPEN in the FUTURE.
icon wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 10:54 am
This team's biggest issue last year was offense. Pages offers little in the way of that. Why should he be guaranteed more than 1 start per week with the fallout of benching Herrera's bat? Pages should get 30 starts max unless he shows he can hit more.
^^^THIS^^^
Pages role should be like Siani's, late inning defensive replacement and 35-40 spot starts (Sinai way, way less starts).
NO WAY he starts every 3 games.
Oli playing the "cooler" again instead of riding the hot bat of Hererra.
When it comes to winning strategy, Oli ain’t it. When it comes to being Mr Nice Guy, he xcels. That reeks of like me not respect me.
Agreed
Also why he kept Winn at lead-off all spring even while the poor kid just kept burying himself deeper and deeper.
Many in here claim "if Oli like's you (re: Burleson, Pages, Sinai, ...), then he plays you".
Can't wait for him to be fired at seasons end, he's not qualified to be a ML Manager.
I have also never seen another manager pull cruising starters at such low putch counts as consistently as oli. He will try to squeeze 5 innings out of a struggling putcher with a high pitch count but will do stuff like pull fedde yesterday after 6 with pitch count of 73 like he hates letting starters pitch into the 7th unless he has no choice from taxed bullpen. He did it to gray a lot last year too.
It also seemed ti titally contradict what mo said about targeting lynn and gibsin because they were inning eaters to save pen but he wouldn't let starters eat inning when they had low pitch counts.
Makes even less sense to pull fedde early when we are going to a 6 man rotation that gives extra rest anyways
His downfall all started w/that stupid removal of "Q" in Game 1 vs the Phils when "Q" was cruising and had plenty left in the tank.
This.
Im fine with using analytics but there needs to be context and logic tio.
3rd time through order splits lumps days where a pitcher was struggling all day and laboring on fumes and having control problems by time he faced order 3rd time with days he was dominating and had total control and plenty in the tank coming to 3rd time in order where i doubt the result vs 3rd time in order is the same in those 2 scenarios so you cant just blindly trust the split and ignore how the pitcher is actually pitching that day.
The best Managers incorporate both advanced metrics and years of accumulated baseball knowledge, using their eye's (like Oli should've done when "Q" was mowing down Philly after Philly) instead of relying on a metric that only tells you WHAT HAS HAPPENED in the PAST and are NOT a predictor of WHAT WILL HAPPEN in the FUTURE.
Couple lost morsels. Had he not pulled Q and we win, we play SD not LA, and Q would pitch game one of NLCS.
RamFan08NY wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 10:14 am
I like it. Switching the lineup a bit, and not sacrificing anything. Walker sitting could also be due to sore wrist.
If the Cards are going to be successful this year, they'll need contributions from 10-11 position players.
Agree. A Team Sport. Takes everyone rowing in the same direction to get to the finish line.
There are roles that need filling and only one way to find out who can fill them. Need to play em all.
And need to keep the mainstays fresh and the back ups in game shape so they can assume their roles with a reasonable chance of success once they establish them.
Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 10:19 am
I don’t complain about them giving Herrera a break behind the plate. I would think it’s going to be close to a 60-40 split between him and Pages, and I can live with that. However, let him DH and keep Contreras at 1B. The guy has done nothing but hit. I know Oli loves him some Burleson, but no need to force ABs for him.
Herrera is under 25……played 2 games……is red hot…..
You don’t sit him
Sure you do...it's a marathon, not a sprint this is a season to try and determine what the Cards have from their prospects/suspects.
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icon wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 10:54 am
This team's biggest issue last year was offense. Pages offers little in the way of that. Why should he be guaranteed more than 1 start per week with the fallout of benching Herrera's bat? Pages should get 30 starts max unless he shows he can hit more.
^^^THIS^^^
Pages role should be like Siani's, late inning defensive replacement and 35-40 spot starts (Sinai way, way less starts).
NO WAY he starts every 3 games.
Oli playing the "cooler" again instead of riding the hot bat of Hererra.
When it comes to winning strategy, Oli ain’t it. When it comes to being Mr Nice Guy, he xcels. That reeks of like me not respect me.
Agreed
Also why he kept Winn at lead-off all spring even while the poor kid just kept burying himself deeper and deeper.
Many in here claim "if Oli like's you (re: Burleson, Pages, Sinai, ...), then he plays you".
Can't wait for him to be fired at seasons end, he's not qualified to be a ML Manager.
I have also never seen another manager pull cruising starters at such low putch counts as consistently as oli. He will try to squeeze 5 innings out of a struggling putcher with a high pitch count but will do stuff like pull fedde yesterday after 6 with pitch count of 73 like he hates letting starters pitch into the 7th unless he has no choice from taxed bullpen. He did it to gray a lot last year too.
It also seemed ti titally contradict what mo said about targeting lynn and gibsin because they were inning eaters to save pen but he wouldn't let starters eat inning when they had low pitch counts.
Makes even less sense to pull fedde early when we are going to a 6 man rotation that gives extra rest anyways
His downfall all started w/that stupid removal of "Q" in Game 1 vs the Phils when "Q" was cruising and had plenty left in the tank.
This.
Im fine with using analytics but there needs to be context and logic tio.
3rd time through order splits lumps days where a pitcher was struggling all day and laboring on fumes and having control problems by time he faced order 3rd time with days he was dominating and had total control and plenty in the tank coming to 3rd time in order where i doubt the result vs 3rd time in order is the same in those 2 scenarios so you cant just blindly trust the split and ignore how the pitcher is actually pitching that day.
The best Managers incorporate both advanced metrics and years of accumulated baseball knowledge, using their eye's (like Oli should've done when "Q" was mowing down Philly after Philly) instead of relying on a metric that only tells you WHAT HAS HAPPENED in the PAST and are NOT a predictor of WHAT WILL HAPPEN in the FUTURE.
Couple lost morsels. Had he not pulled Q and we win, we play SD not LA, and Q would pitch game one of NLCS.
Huge amounts of strategic ability was thrown out.
Plus bringing in Helsley in the 8th, then letting him sit for a half inning in the cold where his finger he injured got stiff, was another Oli blunder.
icon wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 10:54 am
This team's biggest issue last year was offense. Pages offers little in the way of that. Why should he be guaranteed more than 1 start per week with the fallout of benching Herrera's bat? Pages should get 30 starts max unless he shows he can hit more.
^^^THIS^^^
Pages role should be like Siani's, late inning defensive replacement and 35-40 spot starts (Sinai way, way less starts).
NO WAY he starts every 3 games.
Oli playing the "cooler" again instead of riding the hot bat of Hererra.
When it comes to winning strategy, Oli ain’t it. When it comes to being Mr Nice Guy, he xcels. That reeks of like me not respect me.
Agreed
Also why he kept Winn at lead-off all spring even while the poor kid just kept burying himself deeper and deeper.
Many in here claim "if Oli like's you (re: Burleson, Pages, Sinai, ...), then he plays you".
Can't wait for him to be fired at seasons end, he's not qualified to be a ML Manager.
I have also never seen another manager pull cruising starters at such low putch counts as consistently as oli. He will try to squeeze 5 innings out of a struggling putcher with a high pitch count but will do stuff like pull fedde yesterday after 6 with pitch count of 73 like he hates letting starters pitch into the 7th unless he has no choice from taxed bullpen. He did it to gray a lot last year too.
It also seemed ti titally contradict what mo said about targeting lynn and gibsin because they were inning eaters to save pen but he wouldn't let starters eat inning when they had low pitch counts.
Makes even less sense to pull fedde early when we are going to a 6 man rotation that gives extra rest anyways
His downfall all started w/that stupid removal of "Q" in Game 1 vs the Phils when "Q" was cruising and had plenty left in the tank.
This.
Im fine with using analytics but there needs to be context and logic tio.
3rd time through order splits lumps days where a pitcher was struggling all day and laboring on fumes and having control problems by time he faced order 3rd time with days he was dominating and had total control and plenty in the tank coming to 3rd time in order where i doubt the result vs 3rd time in order is the same in those 2 scenarios so you cant just blindly trust the split and ignore how the pitcher is actually pitching that day.
The best Managers incorporate both advanced metrics and years of accumulated baseball knowledge, using their eye's (like Oli should've done when "Q" was mowing down Philly after Philly) instead of relying on a metric that only tells you WHAT HAS HAPPENED in the PAST and are NOT a predictor of WHAT WILL HAPPEN in the FUTURE.
Couple lost morsels. Had he not pulled Q and we win, we play SD not LA, and Q would pitch game one of NLCS.
Huge amounts of strategic ability was thrown out.
This is just another Dekinger fallacy. Cards weren't winning when Q was pulled and there was still like over a third of a game to play.
Cards never scored a run...lol. can't win if you don't score
wkycards wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 09:33 am
Thanks 'duce.
Burly will hit today, he seems to hit better when he plays defense.
Any data to back this up? I don't know if you're wrong or right, but without any supporting data, it's just a SWAG on your part.
I saw an article that stats and years of data actually indicate by a noticable margin that players who dh had better numbers when they played the field. Although they acknowledged that it isnt fully reliable cuz players often dh instead of playing field when injured and that affects the stazs and they could sometimes be banged up with unreported injuries too when playing dh
wkycards wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 09:33 am
Thanks 'duce.
Burly will hit today, he seems to hit better when he plays defense.
Any data to back this up? I don't know if you're wrong or right, but without any supporting data, it's just a SWAG on your part.
Last year he played 60 games at DH and 60 games in RF/1B
DH = .264 .305 .409 .714
1b = .373 .439 .549 .988
RF = .295 .337 .474 .812
Fair enough. That's solid data which is so much better than "seems". However, as Goldy was the primary first sacker, it would be nice if you had included the number of ABs at each position. Sample size matters as well.
wkycards wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 09:33 am
Thanks 'duce.
Burly will hit today, he seems to hit better when he plays defense.
Any data to back this up? I don't know if you're wrong or right, but without any supporting data, it's just a SWAG on your part.
I saw an article that stats and years of data actually indicate by a noticable margin that players who dh had better numbers when they played the field. Although they acknowledged that it isnt fully reliable cuz players often dh instead of playing field when injured and that affects the stazs and they could sometimes be banged up with unreported injuries too when playing dh
wkycards wrote: ↑30 Mar 2025 09:33 am
Thanks 'duce.
Burly will hit today, he seems to hit better when he plays defense.
Any data to back this up? I don't know if you're wrong or right, but without any supporting data, it's just a SWAG on your part.
Last year he played 60 games at DH and 60 games in RF/1B
DH = .264 .305 .409 .714
1b = .373 .439 .549 .988
RF = .295 .337 .474 .812
Fair enough. That's solid data which is so much better than "seems". However, as Goldy was the primary first sacker, it would be nice if you had included the number of ABs at each position. Sample size matters as well.
