3dender wrote: ↑28 Mar 2025 07:26 am
Gorman didn't earn it but also if they're not gonna prioritize getting him everyday ABs over Burleson, after talking all winter about how vital it was to give him and Walker "runway"... then they need to just trade him now for whatever they can get. It's just basic asset management.
I wouldn’t mind seeing them trade him. This team is worse with him in the lineup.
I wouldn't mind either as long as they do it intentionally (like soon) rather than just hold onto him for the next two years until he's lost so much value they can only get a bag of balls (i.e. like they did with Carlson, O'Neill, etc.).
My preference is still that they just throw him out there every day to give him one last true shot at figuring it out. They should not be prioritizing competing over that given their complete punting of this offseason.
If they plan on keeping him send him to AAA let him improve there get his OPS up etc... He is not going to make this team better in 2025. Bring up Prieto or Barerro whoever to fill the backup spot.
The main issue is that they don't really have a firm plan, they just revert to the same habits they've done with a lot of young guys w/talent, which is to bury him until he loses all confidence/value.
The other issue is that they're still half-trying to compete even after spending months talking about how this is a "reset" year for them to see what they have in guys like Walker and Gorman. Competing and resetting are mutually exclusive, but in true Cardinals fashion they're going to half-donkey both, which will obviously result in accomplishing neither.
To be clear, I think this should definitely be a "reset" year as they indicated it would be, especially since they did literally nothing to make any improvements over the offseason and cut like $30M in payroll.
I don't see it that way at all. They have a few LHH young players, with no true position to play but can vacillate between a few, who have been on an ocean ride of performance. Ups and downs with the waves. Some waves higher and some much lower and longer. One flash in the pan year of performance is exactly that...
None have shown consistency (Bumbles or UniKKKorn). Each will get their run to prove something but the Cards have to see what both can do, but not at the expense of other, more consistent hitters and better defenders. Who'd have though LH would be such a problem on the Cards for playing time???!!!
Bumbles maybe more of an across the stats solid hitter, while UniKKKorn trends towards the 2 outcomes hitting style. both valuable but both can't be on the field at the same time as the Cards stand right now.
"Get their run" is just another way of saying the same ol' stop-and-start inconsistent, performance-dependent playing time our prospects have gotten for years with poor results. My definition of "run" is different than yours.
When you have two players with overlapping positions who both need playing time so you can finally figure out what they can do in a supposed "reset" year, you play the one with the higher ceiling. It's literally and obviously that simple.
3dender wrote: ↑28 Mar 2025 07:26 am
Gorman didn't earn it but also if they're not gonna prioritize getting him everyday ABs over Burleson, after talking all winter about how vital it was to give him and Walker "runway"... then they need to just trade him now for whatever they can get. It's just basic asset management.
I wouldn’t mind seeing them trade him. This team is worse with him in the lineup.
I wouldn't mind either as long as they do it intentionally (like soon) rather than just hold onto him for the next two years until he's lost so much value they can only get a bag of balls (i.e. like they did with Carlson, O'Neill, etc.).
My preference is still that they just throw him out there every day to give him one last true shot at figuring it out. They should not be prioritizing competing over that given their complete punting of this offseason.
If they plan on keeping him send him to AAA let him improve there get his OPS up etc... He is not going to make this team better in 2025. Bring up Prieto or Barerro whoever to fill the backup spot.
The main issue is that they don't really have a firm plan, they just revert to the same habits they've done with a lot of young guys w/talent, which is to bury him until he loses all confidence/value.
The other issue is that they're still half-trying to compete even after spending months talking about how this is a "reset" year for them to see what they have in guys like Walker and Gorman. Competing and resetting are mutually exclusive, but in true Cardinals fashion they're going to half-donkey both, which will obviously result in accomplishing neither.
To be clear, I think this should definitely be a "reset" year as they indicated it would be, especially since they did literally nothing to make any improvements over the offseason and cut like $30M in payroll.
I don't see it that way at all. They have a few LHH young players, with no true position to play but can vacillate between a few, who have been on an ocean ride of performance. Ups and downs with the waves. Some waves higher and some much lower and longer. One flash in the pan year of performance is exactly that...
None have shown consistency (Bumbles or UniKKKorn). Each will get their run to prove something but the Cards have to see what both can do, but not at the expense of other, more consistent hitters and better defenders. Who'd have though LH would be such a problem on the Cards for playing time???!!!
Bumbles maybe more of an across the stats solid hitter, while UniKKKorn trends towards the 2 outcomes hitting style. both valuable but both can't be on the field at the same time as the Cards stand right now.
"Get their run" is just another way of saying the same ol' stop-and-start inconsistent, performance-dependent playing time our prospects have gotten for years with poor results. My definition of "run" is different than yours.
When you have two players with overlapping positions who both need playing time so you can finally figure out what they can do in a supposed "reset" year, you play the one with the higher ceiling. It's literally and obviously that simple.
3dender wrote: ↑28 Mar 2025 07:26 am
Gorman didn't earn it but also if they're not gonna prioritize getting him everyday ABs over Burleson, after talking all winter about how vital it was to give him and Walker "runway"... then they need to just trade him now for whatever they can get. It's just basic asset management.
I wouldn’t mind seeing them trade him. This team is worse with him in the lineup.
I wouldn't mind either as long as they do it intentionally (like soon) rather than just hold onto him for the next two years until he's lost so much value they can only get a bag of balls (i.e. like they did with Carlson, O'Neill, etc.).
My preference is still that they just throw him out there every day to give him one last true shot at figuring it out. They should not be prioritizing competing over that given their complete punting of this offseason.
If they plan on keeping him send him to AAA let him improve there get his OPS up etc... He is not going to make this team better in 2025. Bring up Prieto or Barerro whoever to fill the backup spot.
The main issue is that they don't really have a firm plan, they just revert to the same habits they've done with a lot of young guys w/talent, which is to bury him until he loses all confidence/value.
The other issue is that they're still half-trying to compete even after spending months talking about how this is a "reset" year for them to see what they have in guys like Walker and Gorman. Competing and resetting are mutually exclusive, but in true Cardinals fashion they're going to half-donkey both, which will obviously result in accomplishing neither.
To be clear, I think this should definitely be a "reset" year as they indicated it would be, especially since they did literally nothing to make any improvements over the offseason and cut like $30M in payroll.
I don't see it that way at all. They have a few LHH young players, with no true position to play but can vacillate between a few, who have been on an ocean ride of performance. Ups and downs with the waves. Some waves higher and some much lower and longer. One flash in the pan year of performance is exactly that...
None have shown consistency (Bumbles or UniKKKorn). Each will get their run to prove something but the Cards have to see what both can do, but not at the expense of other, more consistent hitters and better defenders. Who'd have though LH would be such a problem on the Cards for playing time???!!!
Bumbles maybe more of an across the stats solid hitter, while UniKKKorn trends towards the 2 outcomes hitting style. both valuable but both can't be on the field at the same time as the Cards stand right now.
"Get their run" is just another way of saying the same ol' stop-and-start inconsistent, performance-dependent playing time our prospects have gotten for years with poor results. My definition of "run" is different than yours.
When you have two players with overlapping positions who both need playing time so you can finally figure out what they can do in a supposed "reset" year, you play the one with the higher ceiling. It's literally and obviously that simple.
Which one has the higher ceiling? I defined what I see as the value to their hitting abilities...both valuable, neither valuable in the field. One can stay up and one can go to AAA. Flip a coin, this way both get more consistent playing time.
It's not rocket surgery or brain science. It's obviously that simple.
Jatalk wrote: ↑28 Mar 2025 08:43 am
Not trying to be petty but what did he mean when he cupped his ear during call back? I don’t think he was trying to be humorous? Was he saying applaud me because I deserve it? Was he taking a shot at those wanted him traded (I’m one of those)? It was just weird to me.
Wasn't that an homage to the old WWF move Hulk Hogan use to use, cupping his hand to his ear to amplify the applause?
Lets not kid ourselves. They want Gorman in the lineup everyday. Mo just couldn't get the deal done and Gorman is currently the odd man out. It's a long season though.
3dender wrote: ↑28 Mar 2025 07:26 am
Gorman didn't earn it but also if they're not gonna prioritize getting him everyday ABs over Burleson, after talking all winter about how vital it was to give him and Walker "runway"... then they need to just trade him now for whatever they can get. It's just basic asset management.
I wouldn’t mind seeing them trade him. This team is worse with him in the lineup.
Man I can't get on that train yet, that LH 'easy' power is a thing a beauty when he's on. A big WHEN
3dender wrote: ↑28 Mar 2025 07:26 am
Gorman didn't earn it but also if they're not gonna prioritize getting him everyday ABs over Burleson, after talking all winter about how vital it was to give him and Walker "runway"... then they need to just trade him now for whatever they can get. It's just basic asset management.
I wouldn’t mind seeing them trade him. This team is worse with him in the lineup.
Man I can't get on that train yet, that LH 'easy' power is a thing a beauty when he's on. A big WHEN
I like the lineup the had last night, but.... I could be sway'd if he was DH, but I would hate to see Donovan removed from the lineup for him. That makes me sick.
Jatalk wrote: ↑28 Mar 2025 08:43 am
Not trying to be petty but what did he mean when he cupped his ear during call back? I don’t think he was trying to be humorous? Was he saying applaud me because I deserve it? Was he taking a shot at those wanted him traded (I’m one of those)? It was just weird to me.
Wasn't that an homage to the old WWF move Hulk Hogan use to use, cupping his hand to his ear to amplify the applause?
Jatalk wrote: ↑28 Mar 2025 08:43 am
Not trying to be petty but what did he mean when he cupped his ear during call back? I don’t think he was trying to be humorous? Was he saying applaud me because I deserve it? Was he taking a shot at those wanted him traded (I’m one of those)? It was just weird to me.
Wasn't that an homage to the old WWF move Hulk Hogan use to use, cupping his hand to his ear to amplify the applause?
