You don’t let you Billion $$$ respected franchise become a laughing stock because of loyalty to a longtime employeeCranny wrote: ↑26 Mar 2025 16:17 pmAgain, NY, how old are you? Please answer that question by decade so it's not exact and threatening to you. Are you in your 20s? 30s? 40s? 50s? 60s? Because you have no idea what getting older and fuzzier is all about. The senses aren't as acute, so short term memory is affected. Long term memory remains crystal clear.NYCardsFan wrote: ↑26 Mar 2025 14:18 pmGive us a break, Cranny. Just three days ago you were giving DeWitt the credit for "upgrading the [player] development program." (See quote below.)Cranny wrote: ↑26 Mar 2025 13:39 pmHow old are you, NY? Obviously not of an age to understand the priorities and essence of an octogenarian. BDW was extremely involved on the players side of the equation for many years. Less so now. Ergo the decline.NYCardsFan wrote: ↑26 Mar 2025 11:42 amNever understood drawing a sharp distinction between them—DeWitt is by all accounts a very involved principal; ownership and the FO are a collective unit and should be held jointly responsible (for good and bad).
You're exactly what I'm talking about: always trying to have it both ways. When it's time to assign credit, DeWitt is the active owner and "baseball man" who is in the room for everything. But when it's time to assign responsibility or blame, suddenly the violin starts to play and he's the old man in "decline" who's lost his fastball and is being misguided or poorly served by his subordinates. The idea that this ownership in particular is somehow out of the loop and Mozeliak has been making the tough calls on his own the last several years is preposterous. So like I said, it's more coherent to think of them as unit with collective responsibility than it is to say one guy is to blame/credit for the current state of affairs and the other guy isn't. I mean, Mozeliak has been in the GM/POBO seat for 18 years for crying out loud, is there any point at which you think DeWitt has to own that decision?
The funny thing is I actually give DeWitt more credit for his capability and competence than you do--the difference is I do it consistently, which means also assigning commensurate responsibility when things don't go well. In every interview or press conference I've seen, DeWitt has been plenty sharp. The problem is not his mental acuity. So I stand by my post: it makes no sense to "blame" Mozeliak for where the franchise currently sits without also assigning similar responsibility to ownership.
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑22 Mar 2025 19:26 pmIf you’re giving DeWitt the credit for “upgrading the development program,” why don’t you assign him commensurate blame for reducing funding and personnel and allowing the system to atrophy? I mean, you claim to be “balanced” and “objective,” so I’d expect that if you are going to give credit to those who actually have decision-making authority, you’d also assign proportionate responsibility to them when things go wrong.
I have never tried to have it both ways. I've gone into detail on what an octogenarian is all about. In case you missed it, I'll give it to you again. An older person is all about security, appreciating habits that highlight that desire for repetitive security, and extreme loyalty to long standing friendships. You may think BDW was razor sharp in an interview. He gets up for that. It's not all the time. He's all about family and spending time with his grandchildren. Many years ago, I asked BDW about two specific prospects at the A+ level - what he thought of them. He proceeded to tell me their strengths and weaknesses. What they were working on to get better. I doubt seriously if he could do that kind of thing now. His priorities have changed. He's much more conservative and is going to concentrate on enjoying things as much as he can over the next years. And that may not include baseball as much.
I'm sure he has talked to Mo about the performance over the past few years. But he's loyal to Mo, whom he's known for almost 30 years. Mo has been a good employee, achieved much success, and been a close personal friend for a long time.
They probably came to the conclusion together that the game has changed enough that new, younger guys need to be brought in. That's what's happening. Is it overdue? Sure, but it's explainable if you can step into the thinking of an 83 year old. Try it for once and the picture for you will become much clearer.
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One losing season doesn't make a team a "laughing stock". LOL.Goldfan wrote: ↑26 Mar 2025 16:23 pmYou don’t let you Billion $$$ respected franchise become a laughing stock because of loyalty to a longtime employeeCranny wrote: ↑26 Mar 2025 16:17 pmAgain, NY, how old are you? Please answer that question by decade so it's not exact and threatening to you. Are you in your 20s? 30s? 40s? 50s? 60s? Because you have no idea what getting older and fuzzier is all about. The senses aren't as acute, so short term memory is affected. Long term memory remains crystal clear.NYCardsFan wrote: ↑26 Mar 2025 14:18 pmGive us a break, Cranny. Just three days ago you were giving DeWitt the credit for "upgrading the [player] development program." (See quote below.)Cranny wrote: ↑26 Mar 2025 13:39 pmHow old are you, NY? Obviously not of an age to understand the priorities and essence of an octogenarian. BDW was extremely involved on the players side of the equation for many years. Less so now. Ergo the decline.NYCardsFan wrote: ↑26 Mar 2025 11:42 amNever understood drawing a sharp distinction between them—DeWitt is by all accounts a very involved principal; ownership and the FO are a collective unit and should be held jointly responsible (for good and bad).
You're exactly what I'm talking about: always trying to have it both ways. When it's time to assign credit, DeWitt is the active owner and "baseball man" who is in the room for everything. But when it's time to assign responsibility or blame, suddenly the violin starts to play and he's the old man in "decline" who's lost his fastball and is being misguided or poorly served by his subordinates. The idea that this ownership in particular is somehow out of the loop and Mozeliak has been making the tough calls on his own the last several years is preposterous. So like I said, it's more coherent to think of them as unit with collective responsibility than it is to say one guy is to blame/credit for the current state of affairs and the other guy isn't. I mean, Mozeliak has been in the GM/POBO seat for 18 years for crying out loud, is there any point at which you think DeWitt has to own that decision?
The funny thing is I actually give DeWitt more credit for his capability and competence than you do--the difference is I do it consistently, which means also assigning commensurate responsibility when things don't go well. In every interview or press conference I've seen, DeWitt has been plenty sharp. The problem is not his mental acuity. So I stand by my post: it makes no sense to "blame" Mozeliak for where the franchise currently sits without also assigning similar responsibility to ownership.
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑22 Mar 2025 19:26 pmIf you’re giving DeWitt the credit for “upgrading the development program,” why don’t you assign him commensurate blame for reducing funding and personnel and allowing the system to atrophy? I mean, you claim to be “balanced” and “objective,” so I’d expect that if you are going to give credit to those who actually have decision-making authority, you’d also assign proportionate responsibility to them when things go wrong.
I have never tried to have it both ways. I've gone into detail on what an octogenarian is all about. In case you missed it, I'll give it to you again. An older person is all about security, appreciating habits that highlight that desire for repetitive security, and extreme loyalty to long standing friendships. You may think BDW was razor sharp in an interview. He gets up for that. It's not all the time. He's all about family and spending time with his grandchildren. Many years ago, I asked BDW about two specific prospects at the A+ level - what he thought of them. He proceeded to tell me their strengths and weaknesses. What they were working on to get better. I doubt seriously if he could do that kind of thing now. His priorities have changed. He's much more conservative and is going to concentrate on enjoying things as much as he can over the next years. And that may not include baseball as much.
I'm sure he has talked to Mo about the performance over the past few years. But he's loyal to Mo, whom he's known for almost 30 years. Mo has been a good employee, achieved much success, and been a close personal friend for a long time.
They probably came to the conclusion together that the game has changed enough that new, younger guys need to be brought in. That's what's happening. Is it overdue? Sure, but it's explainable if you can step into the thinking of an 83 year old. Try it for once and the picture for you will become much clearer.
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what time will mozeliak get booed off the field?
what time do we officially begin the countdown to finally seeing his (donkey) out the door?
what time do we officially begin the countdown to finally seeing his (donkey) out the door?
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If BDW has different “priorities” such as spending time with the grandkids, time to get the hell out of the way and let someone else run the billion-dollar enterprise. Or at least not wonder why the fans are less interested in subsidizing his “lower priority” endeavor.Cranny wrote: ↑26 Mar 2025 16:17 pmAgain, NY, how old are you? Please answer that question by decade so it's not exact and threatening to you. Are you in your 20s? 30s? 40s? 50s? 60s? Because you have no idea what getting older and fuzzier is all about. The senses aren't as acute, so short term memory is affected. Long term memory remains crystal clear.NYCardsFan wrote: ↑26 Mar 2025 14:18 pmGive us a break, Cranny. Just three days ago you were giving DeWitt the credit for "upgrading the [player] development program." (See quote below.)Cranny wrote: ↑26 Mar 2025 13:39 pmHow old are you, NY? Obviously not of an age to understand the priorities and essence of an octogenarian. BDW was extremely involved on the players side of the equation for many years. Less so now. Ergo the decline.NYCardsFan wrote: ↑26 Mar 2025 11:42 amNever understood drawing a sharp distinction between them—DeWitt is by all accounts a very involved principal; ownership and the FO are a collective unit and should be held jointly responsible (for good and bad).
You're exactly what I'm talking about: always trying to have it both ways. When it's time to assign credit, DeWitt is the active owner and "baseball man" who is in the room for everything. But when it's time to assign responsibility or blame, suddenly the violin starts to play and he's the old man in "decline" who's lost his fastball and is being misguided or poorly served by his subordinates. The idea that this ownership in particular is somehow out of the loop and Mozeliak has been making the tough calls on his own the last several years is preposterous. So like I said, it's more coherent to think of them as unit with collective responsibility than it is to say one guy is to blame/credit for the current state of affairs and the other guy isn't. I mean, Mozeliak has been in the GM/POBO seat for 18 years for crying out loud, is there any point at which you think DeWitt has to own that decision?
The funny thing is I actually give DeWitt more credit for his capability and competence than you do--the difference is I do it consistently, which means also assigning commensurate responsibility when things don't go well. In every interview or press conference I've seen, DeWitt has been plenty sharp. The problem is not his mental acuity. So I stand by my post: it makes no sense to "blame" Mozeliak for where the franchise currently sits without also assigning similar responsibility to ownership.
NYCardsFan wrote: ↑22 Mar 2025 19:26 pmIf you’re giving DeWitt the credit for “upgrading the development program,” why don’t you assign him commensurate blame for reducing funding and personnel and allowing the system to atrophy? I mean, you claim to be “balanced” and “objective,” so I’d expect that if you are going to give credit to those who actually have decision-making authority, you’d also assign proportionate responsibility to them when things go wrong.
I have never tried to have it both ways. I've gone into detail on what an octogenarian is all about. In case you missed it, I'll give it to you again. An older person is all about security, appreciating habits that highlight that desire for repetitive security, and extreme loyalty to long standing friendships. You may think BDW was razor sharp in an interview. He gets up for that. It's not all the time. He's all about family and spending time with his grandchildren. Many years ago, I asked BDW about two specific prospects at the A+ level - what he thought of them. He proceeded to tell me their strengths and weaknesses. What they were working on to get better. I doubt seriously if he could do that kind of thing now. His priorities have changed. He's much more conservative and is going to concentrate on enjoying things as much as he can over the next years. And that may not include baseball as much.
I'm sure he has talked to Mo about the performance over the past few years. But he's loyal to Mo, whom he's known for almost 30 years. Mo has been a good employee, achieved much success, and been a close personal friend for a long time.
They probably came to the conclusion together that the game has changed enough that new, younger guys need to be brought in. That's what's happening. Is it overdue? Sure, but it's explainable if you can step into the thinking of an 83 year old. Try it for once and the picture for you will become much clearer.
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I’m with you Cranny. I may not clap but I never boo a player or part of the teams I root for. Last year I remained silent when Mo was introduced while lots did boo. I won’t be there this year or next but hopefully back in 2027 health willing and will cheer them on.
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Why not also recognize future POBO Chaim Bloom today?wkycards wrote: ↑26 Mar 2025 10:38 am 10:30 AM – 1:00 PM Official Opening Day Pep Rally at Ballpark Village: Join Fredbird, Team Fredbird, DJ Todd Thomas, Cardinals organist Dwayne Hilton and Cardinals Alumni at the Busch II Infield Stage in the Together Credit Union Plaza for the Cardinals Opening Day Pep Rally. This event is free for all fans to attend and includes prizes and ticket giveaways to Opening Day and other 2025 games.
12:00 PM Busch Stadium Gates Open
12:05 – 12:55 PM Cardinals batting practice (subject to change)
1:00 – 1:50 PM Twins batting practice (subject to change)
2:30 PM Pregame ceremonies begin with an appearance by the world-famous Budweiser Clydesdales
Introduction of Fredbird & Team Fredbird
Recognition of Chairman & CEO, Bill DeWitt Jr.; President, Bill DeWitt III; and President of Baseball Operations, John Mozeliak
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Egozeliak wouldn’t allow that.12xu wrote: ↑27 Mar 2025 08:21 amWhy not also recognize future POBO Chaim Bloom today?wkycards wrote: ↑26 Mar 2025 10:38 am 10:30 AM – 1:00 PM Official Opening Day Pep Rally at Ballpark Village: Join Fredbird, Team Fredbird, DJ Todd Thomas, Cardinals organist Dwayne Hilton and Cardinals Alumni at the Busch II Infield Stage in the Together Credit Union Plaza for the Cardinals Opening Day Pep Rally. This event is free for all fans to attend and includes prizes and ticket giveaways to Opening Day and other 2025 games.
12:00 PM Busch Stadium Gates Open
12:05 – 12:55 PM Cardinals batting practice (subject to change)
1:00 – 1:50 PM Twins batting practice (subject to change)
2:30 PM Pregame ceremonies begin with an appearance by the world-famous Budweiser Clydesdales
Introduction of Fredbird & Team Fredbird
Recognition of Chairman & CEO, Bill DeWitt Jr.; President, Bill DeWitt III; and President of Baseball Operations, John Mozeliak
https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press ... le-details
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Shame on you, Cranny. You should cheer the jackasses extra hard, being their Cards Talk spokesperson and all.
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Oh please!desertrat23 wrote: ↑27 Mar 2025 10:02 amEgozeliak wouldn’t allow that.12xu wrote: ↑27 Mar 2025 08:21 amWhy not also recognize future POBO Chaim Bloom today?wkycards wrote: ↑26 Mar 2025 10:38 am 10:30 AM – 1:00 PM Official Opening Day Pep Rally at Ballpark Village: Join Fredbird, Team Fredbird, DJ Todd Thomas, Cardinals organist Dwayne Hilton and Cardinals Alumni at the Busch II Infield Stage in the Together Credit Union Plaza for the Cardinals Opening Day Pep Rally. This event is free for all fans to attend and includes prizes and ticket giveaways to Opening Day and other 2025 games.
12:00 PM Busch Stadium Gates Open
12:05 – 12:55 PM Cardinals batting practice (subject to change)
1:00 – 1:50 PM Twins batting practice (subject to change)
2:30 PM Pregame ceremonies begin with an appearance by the world-famous Budweiser Clydesdales
Introduction of Fredbird & Team Fredbird
Recognition of Chairman & CEO, Bill DeWitt Jr.; President, Bill DeWitt III; and President of Baseball Operations, John Mozeliak
https://www.mlb.com/press-release/press ... le-details
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My first one involved Tuesday Weld and a padded room. It was extremely wet,sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑26 Mar 2025 13:44 pmWet dream? They still have those.