Who is the one that insists on Liberatore being a starter?

[alw80]

Liberatore was once seen as a possible TOR guy. It's time to find out first whether he can be a No. 5 in MLB. This is a season to find out some things.

Its been tried with dismal results.

[freed5179]

They are still playing the "Justification" game. By now, I felt that it was a moot point

A pitcher who starts every fifth--or sixth--day working 5 innings or so will never equal an outfielder who plays in 150 games. So, by now, it is moot even if someone still doesn't want to acknowledge it.

[11WSChamps]

Needs to be tried again as a starter.

In this backasswards world of baseball pitching today a rotation starter is still more valuable that a reliever.

He's never going to be a closer or a setup man.

This is the perfect time/season to see where he is as a starter over 25-30 starts.

[Ozziesfan41]

Needs to be tried again as a starter.

In this backasswards world of baseball pitching today a rotation starter is still more valuable that a reliever.

He's never going to be a closer or a setup man.

This is the perfect time/season to see where he is as a starter over 25-30 starts.

+1 also he has been mishandled bouncing him constantly between bullpen and rotation I want to see what he can do starting 30 games he may fail but at least he would have finally been given a legitimate shot. I don’t agree with Mo on a lot of things but on this one good move Mo

[Mort Gage]

If the Cardinals were smart enough to have traded Fedde for prospects they wouldn't have had to make the Liberatore-McGreevy choice.

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Liberatore was once seen as a possible TOR guy. It's time to find out first whether he can be a No. 5 in MLB. This is a season to find out some things.

Its been tried with dismal results.

Times change. Players can mature. A lot of people would've given up on Randy Johnson because he was extremely wild until he finally tamed his control at age 29. He walked 144 in 210 IP at age 28, when his WHIP was 1.417.

Now, in no way am I saying Liberatore will be the next Randy Johnson, but he could become a sold mid-rotation starter. We shall see what he does with his new chance. If he flunks, the experiment needs to end, and he reverts to being a mid-reliever.

[Mort Gage]

Liberatore was once seen as a possible TOR guy. It's time to find out first whether he can be a No. 5 in MLB. This is a season to find out some things.

Its been tried with dismal results.

Times change. Players can mature. A lot of people would've given up on Randy Johnson because he was extremely wild until he finally tamed his control at age 29. He walked 144 in 210 IP at age 28, when his WHIP was 1.417.

Now, in no way am I saying Liberatore will be the next Randy Johnson, but he could become a sold mid-rotation starter. We shall see what he does with his new chance. If he flunks, the experiment needs to end, and he reverts to being a mid-reliever.

True. Starters are more valuable than relievers. Explore every avenue of making Liberatore a starter and if it doesn't work then the pen.

[Ozziesfan41]

If the Cardinals were smart enough to have traded Fedde for prospects they wouldn't have had to make the Liberatore-McGreevy choice.

Now this I agree with 100% it’s mind boggling they kept a guy who they aren’t going to sign long term or even offer a QO to in a year they say they are playing the kids so he can take the spot of a kid

[alw80]

Liberatore was once seen as a possible TOR guy. It's time to find out first whether he can be a No. 5 in MLB. This is a season to find out some things.

Its been tried with dismal results.

Times change. Players can mature. A lot of people would've given up on Randy Johnson because he was extremely wild until he finally tamed his control at age 29. He walked 144 in 210 IP at age 28, when his WHIP was 1.417.

Now, in no way am I saying Liberatore will be the next Randy Johnson, but he could become a sold mid-rotation starter. We shall see what he does with his new chance. If he flunks, the experiment needs to end, and he reverts to being a mid-reliever.

True. Starters are more valuable than relievers. Explore every avenue of making Liberatore a starter and if it doesn't work then the pen.

And then they can try him as a starter again and keep repeating this cycle.

[Mort Gage]

Liberatore was once seen as a possible TOR guy. It's time to find out first whether he can be a No. 5 in MLB. This is a season to find out some things.

Its been tried with dismal results.

Times change. Players can mature. A lot of people would've given up on Randy Johnson because he was extremely wild until he finally tamed his control at age 29. He walked 144 in 210 IP at age 28, when his WHIP was 1.417.

Now, in no way am I saying Liberatore will be the next Randy Johnson, but he could become a sold mid-rotation starter. We shall see what he does with his new chance. If he flunks, the experiment needs to end, and he reverts to being a mid-reliever.

True. Starters are more valuable than relievers. Explore every avenue of making Liberatore a starter and if it doesn't work then the pen.

And then they can try him as a starter again and keep repeating this cycle.

What's lost by trying? If the Cardinals were contenders I'd be more inclined to agree with you. But this team needs upside and maybe Liberatore can provide it. If not, the pen.

[Mort Gage]

If the Cardinals were smart enough to have traded Fedde for prospects they wouldn't have had to make the Liberatore-McGreevy choice.

Now this I agree with 100% it’s mind boggling they kept a guy who they aren’t going to sign long term or even offer a QO to in a year they say they are playing the kids so he can take the spot of a kid

This two boss situation is weird. Mo wants to eek out every victory in a non-contending year to bolster his legacy. Bloom is focused on '26 and beyond. Two chiefs in any organization rarely works.

[Bushiro]

Needs to be tried again as a starter.

In this backasswards world of baseball pitching today a rotation starter is still more valuable that a reliever.

He's never going to be a closer or a setup man.

This is the perfect time/season to see where he is as a starter over 25-30 starts.

Well when he's pitching his best out of the pen he reminds me of miller....you saying miller wasn't valuable when he was good...

[alw80]

Liberatore was once seen as a possible TOR guy. It's time to find out first whether he can be a No. 5 in MLB. This is a season to find out some things.

Its been tried with dismal results.

Times change. Players can mature. A lot of people would've given up on Randy Johnson because he was extremely wild until he finally tamed his control at age 29. He walked 144 in 210 IP at age 28, when his WHIP was 1.417.

Now, in no way am I saying Liberatore will be the next Randy Johnson, but he could become a sold mid-rotation starter. We shall see what he does with his new chance. If he flunks, the experiment needs to end, and he reverts to being a mid-reliever.

True. Starters are more valuable than relievers. Explore every avenue of making Liberatore a starter and if it doesn't work then the pen.

And then they can try him as a starter again and keep repeating this cycle.

What's lost by trying? If the Cardinals were contenders I'd be more inclined to agree with you. But this team needs upside and maybe Liberatore can provide it. If not, the pen.

Sure, it doesnt matter so may as well start him but hes failed at it multiple times now. Why will it be different this time?

[Ozziesfan41]

Liberatore was once seen as a possible TOR guy. It's time to find out first whether he can be a No. 5 in MLB. This is a season to find out some things.

Its been tried with dismal results.

Times change. Players can mature. A lot of people would've given up on Randy Johnson because he was extremely wild until he finally tamed his control at age 29. He walked 144 in 210 IP at age 28, when his WHIP was 1.417.

Now, in no way am I saying Liberatore will be the next Randy Johnson, but he could become a sold mid-rotation starter. We shall see what he does with his new chance. If he flunks, the experiment needs to end, and he reverts to being a mid-reliever.

True. Starters are more valuable than relievers. Explore every avenue of making Liberatore a starter and if it doesn't work then the pen.

And then they can try him as a starter again and keep repeating this cycle.

What's lost by trying? If the Cardinals were contenders I'd be more inclined to agree with you. But this team needs upside and maybe Liberatore can provide it. If not, the pen.

Sure, it doesnt matter so may as well start him but hes failed at it multiple times now. Why will it be different this time?

Because they are actually for a change letting him be a starter
Not mishandling him by juggling him from rotation to bullpen a back. It may very well fail. If they had handled him
Correctly early on they would already know but they didn’t. I’m glad they will find out once and for all by handling him correctly

[11WSChamps]

Needs to be tried again as a starter.

In this backasswards world of baseball pitching today a rotation starter is still more valuable that a reliever.

He's never going to be a closer or a setup man.

This is the perfect time/season to see where he is as a starter over 25-30 starts.

Well when he's pitching his best out of the pen he reminds me of miller....you saying miller wasn't valuable when he was good...

Valuable but not as valuable as a top rotation starter and this year and perhaps next we find out if he can be that.

He can always go back to a Miller type role.

[hugeCardfan]

At this point is has become Moronic putting Liberatore into the rotation! Stop it! Good grief!
He is a solid reliever!
Where is Gibson or Quintana or McGreevy?

I won't tell you you're wrong, but I would point out:

1. He's only 25...still young for a starter.
2. A solid starter is more valuable than a solid middle innings reliever.
3. In a "reset" season, what do the Cards have to lose?
4. Mo still trying to justify the trade which brought him here.

Just some things to think about.

Some good points, although I don’t think any of it Is about justifying Mo. Libby has good stuff. The skill to start. That should play out before relegating him to the pen.