Roster Decisions made...according to KatieWoo

[LCA1951]

How wild is this

[cardstatman]

Not sure I like Libby in the rotation. He just can't seem to maintain there. But he's better for shorter spurts. Who knows--maybe some of the tech that they've already brought it is showing what he can do to stay stronger for longer. Either way, I hope it's his last shot at it...meaning it's a success, and he's just one of our guys now, or he can't do it and it's not a thing ever again.

I don't like it either, but if we keep McGreevy off the roster for 3+ weeks we can gain another year of control of him. Same for Mathews.

[Melville]

Not sure I like Libby in the rotation. He just can't seem to maintain there. But he's better for shorter spurts. Who knows--maybe some of the tech that they've already brought it is showing what he can do to stay stronger for longer. Either way, I hope it's his last shot at it...meaning it's a success, and he's just one of our guys now, or he can't do it and it's not a thing ever again.

agree
if he thrives...great
if he doesn't...McGreevy

Worth noting the D' Backs sent Montgomery, who will make $22.5M this year, to the bullpen upon making a purely baseball-based decision that he is not one of the 5 best choices for their rotation.
Meanwhile, the Cardinals, even with a 6-man rotation planned, elected to keep BOTH Mikolas (16M) and Matz (12M) in the rotation, despite McGreevy being far more deserving based on both 2024 and ST of 2025.
That type of thinking, folks, is the reason AZ won 29 more games than STL over the past 2 years.
The TOXIC CULTURE in STL continues.....

[thetank2]

Once again, the team does not make roster decisions based on honest competition to identify the best players.
Instead, players are anointed by the front office well in advance and gifted jobs.
TOXIC CULTURE continues.

agree

No matter what roster decisions we're made you were going to post this. Too bad you weren't in charge these past 25 years.

[thetank2]

It appears that the Bloom era is off to a shaky start.

How about we play some regular season games before we say that. Plus they have already stated this season was supposed to be a reboot.

Bloom having 4 great seasons while with the Red Sox so much they want him back.

[thetank2]

Not sure I like Libby in the rotation. He just can't seem to maintain there. But he's better for shorter spurts. Who knows--maybe some of the tech that they've already brought it is showing what he can do to stay stronger for longer. Either way, I hope it's his last shot at it...meaning it's a success, and he's just one of our guys now, or he can't do it and it's not a thing ever again.

I don't like it either, but if we keep McGreevy off the roster for 3+ weeks we can gain another year of control of him. Same for Mathews.

And since people on here saying we aren't going anywhere...

[thetank2]

Not sure I like Libby in the rotation. He just can't seem to maintain there. But he's better for shorter spurts. Who knows--maybe some of the tech that they've already brought it is showing what he can do to stay stronger for longer. Either way, I hope it's his last shot at it...meaning it's a success, and he's just one of our guys now, or he can't do it and it's not a thing ever again.

agree
if he thrives...great
if he doesn't...McGreevy

Worth noting the D' Backs sent Montgomery, who will make $22.5M this year, to the bullpen upon making a purely baseball-based decision that he is not one of the 5 best choices for their rotation.
Meanwhile, the Cardinals, even with a 6-man rotation planned, elected to keep BOTH Mikolas (16M) and Matz (12M) in the rotation, despite McGreevy being far more deserving based on both 2024 and ST of 2025.
That type of thinking, folks, is the reason AZ won 29 more games than STL over the past 2 years.
The TOXIC CULTURE in STL continues.....

Oh please you baseball Savant.

[Ozziesfan41]

It appears that the Bloom era is off to a shaky start.

How about we play some regular season games before we say that. Plus they have already stated this season was supposed to be a reboot.

Bloom having 4 great seasons while with the Red Sox so much they want him back.

Mo hired him so if it was a dumb move it was another in a long line of dumb moves by Mo or it could have been one of mos good decisions

[WLTFE]

Not sure I like Libby in the rotation. He just can't seem to maintain there. But he's better for shorter spurts. Who knows--maybe some of the tech that they've already brought it is showing what he can do to stay stronger for longer. Either way, I hope it's his last shot at it...meaning it's a success, and he's just one of our guys now, or he can't do it and it's not a thing ever again.

agree
if he thrives...great
if he doesn't...McGreevy

Worth noting the D' Backs sent Montgomery, who will make $22.5M this year, to the bullpen upon making a purely baseball-based decision that he is not one of the 5 best choices for their rotation.
Meanwhile, the Cardinals, even with a 6-man rotation planned, elected to keep BOTH Mikolas (16M) and Matz (12M) in the rotation, despite McGreevy being far more deserving based on both 2024 and ST of 2025.
That type of thinking, folks, is the reason AZ won 29 more games than STL over the past 2 years.
The TOXIC CULTURE in STL continues.....

Oh please you baseball Savant.

Tanker the Wanker...you need to go outside and get some fresh air...this constantly attacking other posters is making you a whiney (buzz)!

[freed5179]

I don't like it either, but if we keep McGreevy off the roster for 3+ weeks we can gain another year of control of him. Same for Mathews.

A few AAA starts couldn't hurt Mathews. As for McGreevy, the fact that he isn't coming up to be the sixth starter in mid-April would lead one to believe that service time manipulation is probably what is going on here. I'd rather decisions be made on the merits of MLB readiness.

[renostl]

Not sure I like Libby in the rotation. He just can't seem to maintain there. But he's better for shorter spurts. Who knows--maybe some of the tech that they've already brought it is showing what he can do to stay stronger for longer. Either way, I hope it's his last shot at it...meaning it's a success, and he's just one of our guys now, or he can't do it and it's not a thing ever again.

agree
if he thrives...great
if he doesn't...McGreevy

Worth noting the D' Backs sent Montgomery, who will make $22.5M this year, to the bullpen upon making a purely baseball-based decision that he is not one of the 5 best choices for their rotation.
Meanwhile, the Cardinals, even with a 6-man rotation planned, elected to keep BOTH Mikolas (16M) and Matz (12M) in the rotation, despite McGreevy being far more deserving based on both 2024 and ST of 2025.
That type of thinking, folks, is the reason AZ won 29 more games than STL over the past 2 years.
The TOXIC CULTURE in STL continues.....

Monty had a 6.23 ERA and a 1.65 WHIP in 2024.
Far worse than Mikolas.
He followed a full season of dismal with a 15.0 ERA and a 2.66 WHIP. I think that the move had little to do with
being some exceptional culture.

The Cardinals put a ERA of 2.29 and a WHIP of 0.966 in the BP to make way for Libs who hasn't been
successful as of yet in the rotation.
Mikolas has had a decent spring. Moreso than Gray, Pallante, and even Fedde.

McGreevy will get his shot in 30 days here without any harm done.

Solid culture but only if we want to see it. Standing behind players who have done in the past, while moving a
moderately paid SP to the pen who had a productive spring in favor of a player who might have a
future in St. Louis. I have doubt AZ moves Monty to the BP having a ST like Matz.

[Melville]

I don't like it either, but if we keep McGreevy off the roster for 3+ weeks we can gain another year of control of him. Same for Mathews.

A few AAA starts couldn't hurt Mathews. As for McGreevy, the fact that he isn't coming up to be the sixth starter in mid-April would lead one to believe that service time manipulation is probably what is going on here. I'd rather decisions be made on the merits of MLB readiness.

That is the CORRECT thinking - and is exactly the type of thinking that sends the right message to everyone in the organization, and which creates a winning culture.

[Melville]

Not sure I like Libby in the rotation. He just can't seem to maintain there. But he's better for shorter spurts. Who knows--maybe some of the tech that they've already brought it is showing what he can do to stay stronger for longer. Either way, I hope it's his last shot at it...meaning it's a success, and he's just one of our guys now, or he can't do it and it's not a thing ever again.

agree
if he thrives...great
if he doesn't...McGreevy

Worth noting the D' Backs sent Montgomery, who will make $22.5M this year, to the bullpen upon making a purely baseball-based decision that he is not one of the 5 best choices for their rotation.
Meanwhile, the Cardinals, even with a 6-man rotation planned, elected to keep BOTH Mikolas (16M) and Matz (12M) in the rotation, despite McGreevy being far more deserving based on both 2024 and ST of 2025.
That type of thinking, folks, is the reason AZ won 29 more games than STL over the past 2 years.
The TOXIC CULTURE in STL continues.....

Monty had a 6.23 ERA and a 1.65 WHIP in 2024.
Far worse than Mikolas.
He followed a full season of dismal with a 15.0 ERA and a 2.66 WHIP. I think that the move had little to do with
being some exceptional culture.

The Cardinals put a ERA of 2.29 and a WHIP of 0.966 in the BP to make way for Libs who hasn't been
successful as of yet in the rotation.
Mikolas has had a decent spring. Moreso than Gray, Pallante, and even Fedde.

McGreevy will get his shot in 30 days here without any harm done.

Solid culture but only if we want to see it. Standing behind players who have done in the past, while moving a
moderately paid SP to the pen who had a productive spring in favor of a player who might have a
future in St. Louis. I have doubt AZ moves Monty to the BP having a ST like Matz.

Point is, Montgomery was not one of the top 5 starters available for AZ - and so they sent him to the BP despite his paycheck.
McGreevy was better than both Mikolas and Matz in 2024 and again in ST - yet he is headed to Memphis while STL made room for the other 2 by going to a 6 man rotation, thereby keeping their paychecks assigned to starting duties.
That type of decision making crushes organizations long term because everyone in it sees the priorities are in many other areas rather than winning.

[renostl]

It appears that the Bloom era is off to a shaky start.

How about we play some regular season games before we say that. Plus they have already stated this season was supposed to be a reboot.

Is keeping Siani a reboot?
Is sending Koperniak down a reboot?
Is sending McGreevy down a reboot?
Is gifting Gorman a roster spot a reboot?

As the season progresses, those who fail will be given the boot. Only for those who failed before can it be called a "reboot".
Koperniak and McGreevy do not qualify.

I call it screwing players who deserved to make the opening day roster.

McGreevy gets a chance soon enough. No huge desire to give him 30 starts anyway.

VS got a spot over Kop as did Burleson. Siani would not be my choice, but he is a 4th/5th OFer behind
LN, JW, VS, and BD. Siani more likely cost a MI/SS a spot than Kop. They keep the path clear for future moves
among Saggese and others. Gorman no more gifted than Walker, really, or a few others who haven't necessarily
done it at the MLB level.

[imetsatchelpaige]

Not sure I like Libby in the rotation. He just can't seem to maintain there. But he's better for shorter spurts. Who knows--maybe some of the tech that they've already brought it is showing what he can do to stay stronger for longer. Either way, I hope it's his last shot at it...meaning it's a success, and he's just one of our guys now, or he can't do it and it's not a thing ever again.

agree
if he thrives...great
if he doesn't...McGreevy

Worth noting the D' Backs sent Montgomery, who will make $22.5M this year, to the bullpen upon making a purely baseball-based decision that he is not one of the 5 best choices for their rotation.
Meanwhile, the Cardinals, even with a 6-man rotation planned, elected to keep BOTH Mikolas (16M) and Matz (12M) in the rotation, despite McGreevy being far more deserving based on both 2024 and ST of 2025.
That type of thinking, folks, is the reason AZ won 29 more games than STL over the past 2 years.
The TOXIC CULTURE in STL continues.....

Monty had a 6.23 ERA and a 1.65 WHIP in 2024.
Far worse than Mikolas.
He followed a full season of dismal with a 15.0 ERA and a 2.66 WHIP. I think that the move had little to do with
being some exceptional culture.

The Cardinals put a ERA of 2.29 and a WHIP of 0.966 in the BP to make way for Libs who hasn't been
successful as of yet in the rotation.
Mikolas has had a decent spring. Moreso than Gray, Pallante, and even Fedde.

McGreevy will get his shot in 30 days here without any harm done.

Solid culture but only if we want to see it. Standing behind players who have done in the past, while moving a
moderately paid SP to the pen who had a productive spring in favor of a player who might have a
future in St. Louis. I have doubt AZ moves Monty to the BP having a ST like Matz.

Point is, Montgomery was not one of the top 5 starters available for AZ - and so they sent him to the BP despite his paycheck.
McGreevy was better than both Mikolas and Matz in 2024 and again in ST - yet he is headed to Memphis while STL made room for the other 2 by going to a 6 man rotation, thereby keeping their paychecks assigned to starting duties.
That type of decision making crushes organizations long term because everyone in it sees the priorities are in many other areas rather than winning.

]
Inarguable logic.

[renostl]

Not sure I like Libby in the rotation. He just can't seem to maintain there. But he's better for shorter spurts. Who knows--maybe some of the tech that they've already brought it is showing what he can do to stay stronger for longer. Either way, I hope it's his last shot at it...meaning it's a success, and he's just one of our guys now, or he can't do it and it's not a thing ever again.

agree
if he thrives...great
if he doesn't...McGreevy

Worth noting the D' Backs sent Montgomery, who will make $22.5M this year, to the bullpen upon making a purely baseball-based decision that he is not one of the 5 best choices for their rotation.
Meanwhile, the Cardinals, even with a 6-man rotation planned, elected to keep BOTH Mikolas (16M) and Matz (12M) in the rotation, despite McGreevy being far more deserving based on both 2024 and ST of 2025.
That type of thinking, folks, is the reason AZ won 29 more games than STL over the past 2 years.
The TOXIC CULTURE in STL continues.....

Monty had a 6.23 ERA and a 1.65 WHIP in 2024.
Far worse than Mikolas.
He followed a full season of dismal with a 15.0 ERA and a 2.66 WHIP. I think that the move had little to do with
being some exceptional culture.

The Cardinals put a ERA of 2.29 and a WHIP of 0.966 in the BP to make way for Libs who hasn't been
successful as of yet in the rotation.
Mikolas has had a decent spring. Moreso than Gray, Pallante, and even Fedde.

McGreevy will get his shot in 30 days here without any harm done.

Solid culture but only if we want to see it. Standing behind players who have done in the past, while moving a
moderately paid SP to the pen who had a productive spring in favor of a player who might have a
future in St. Louis. I have doubt AZ moves Monty to the BP having a ST like Matz.

Point is, Montgomery was not one of the top 5 starters available for AZ - and so they sent him to the BP despite his paycheck.
McGreevy was better than both Mikolas and Matz in 2024 and again in ST - yet he is headed to Memphis while STL made room for the other 2 by going to a 6 man rotation, thereby keeping their paychecks assigned to starting duties.
That type of decision making crushes organizations long term because everyone in it sees the priorities are in many other areas rather than winning.

Thanks for the reply.

I doubt McGreevy is crushed. When handled correctly, the jury is still out, it can also be seen as a positive.
McGreevy sees Libs getting a shot. He sees that the work done by Libs is getting him a shot. He sees the organization
standing behind its veterans who all have earned it in the past. He is currently the first guy up.
Doubtful this group stays healthy, IMO. He's got the next ticket up, even at the DMV, that not bad.

Now if he continues to perform and then gets passed over then maybe he sees the organizations priorities as skewed.
Or as other prospects that I've known they commit to the process that he will get his shot as long as he stays ready.