Dear Suckers, tis the Season for the Blues to spoil their draft position

[TheJackBurton]

ok since he is so obsessed with having a top 50 player on our team, let's look at 3 of sportsnets top 50

38. Nico Hischier, C, NJD
47. Nick Suzuki, C, MTL
44. Mathew Barzal, C/RW, NYI

Now who here would take either of those three players over Robert Thomas?

Who here believes that either one of those three players is THAT much better than Robert Thomas?

Give me a break. Thomas is at minimum an equal player to all three. He's better than at least 2 of them.

[a smell of green grass]

Everyone wants to give ArmWeak credit for Broberg and Holloway, but the truth of the matter is that ArmWeak didn't obtain them the natural way. He stole them, and that will never happen again.

If ArmWeak would have drafted them, then it would be a happy note. He didn't! Our GM is lousy.

Assuming your right and that it will never happen again, you should concede that Armstrong did recognize it, did act on it, and in the process made his club stronger. That frankly is precisely what you want in a GM. You want a shark that knows the smell of blood in the water, Armstrong did and he capitalized on it, and the Blues are better for it. I am all for being critical when it is warranted, but none of what you wrote is, in fact it looks a lot like bias contradicting your assertion that Armstrong is weak. It looks a lot like he knew what to do and when to do it. It also looks like he will leave the Blues with a plethora of good, young talent.

I chose to observe the larger truth. Broberg and Holloway prove that I am right, and that Army's plan for rebuild is wrong.

Broberg and Holloway are exciting and we are very lucky to have them.
They both came to the NHL by way of high draft picks.
The only way that the Blues (or any other team) will consistently acquire such talent is via high draft picks.
The really talented GMs/Scouts may find marquis talent from time lower in the draft, but there is no evidence that Army is one of the best.
Army is an average GM at best. The evidence shows that there are currently zero TOP50 talent on his team that he has managed for a long time.

I do acknowledge that Army is good at stealing. Unfortunately, stealing will only work once. Army's ability to draft well is what I care about, and I just don't see that he manages the team in a way that will lead to a Cup.

[Aesa]

Everyone wants to give ArmWeak credit for Broberg and Holloway, but the truth of the matter is that ArmWeak didn't obtain them the natural way. He stole them, and that will never happen again.

If ArmWeak would have drafted them, then it would be a happy note. He didn't! Our GM is lousy.

Assuming your right and that it will never happen again, you should concede that Armstrong did recognize it, did act on it, and in the process made his club stronger. That frankly is precisely what you want in a GM. You want a shark that knows the smell of blood in the water, Armstrong did and he capitalized on it, and the Blues are better for it. I am all for being critical when it is warranted, but none of what you wrote is, in fact it looks a lot like bias contradicting your assertion that Armstrong is weak. It looks a lot like he knew what to do and when to do it. It also looks like he will leave the Blues with a plethora of good, young talent.

I chose to observe the larger truth. Broberg and Holloway prove that I am right, and that Army's plan for rebuild is wrong.

Broberg and Holloway are exciting and we are very lucky to have them.
They both came to the NHL by way of high draft picks.
The only way that the Blues (or any other team) will consistently acquire such talent is via high draft picks.
The really talented GMs/Scouts may find marquis talent from time lower in the draft, but there is no evidence that Army is one of the best.
Army is an average GM at best. The evidence shows that there are currently zero TOP50 talent on his team that he has managed for a long time.

I do acknowledge that Army is good at stealing. Unfortunately, stealing will only work once. Army's ability to draft well is what I care about, and I just don't see that he manages the team in a way that will lead to a Cup.

He has already proved you wrong in the 2019 season.

[netboy65]

Edmonton went through so many number one overall picks, they were bound to hit on some. They missed on others.

Armstrong made mistakes post cup, but of late his decisions have been the correct ones.

Hmmmm....

While Edmonton "missed" on some in the draft, Army has "missed" on just as many. We have no idea what our Blues prospects will be yet. If every one of them failed to make Line1 and the power play, would anyone be shocked? Army has shown zero capacity to draft TOP50 NHL talent.

I want to build the team through the draft like every other team, and I want high draft picks so that the marquis talent names hangs on my jersey back.

Anyone who loves Broberg and Holloway should AGREE WITH ME, because that is the only way that the Blues will ever get more high-quality prospects like them.

Which ones did Army “miss” on exactly? Tarasenko? Schwartz? Parayko? Neighbours? One could argue Bokk but he was used as a trade piece so therefore useful. He used first picks to get Schenn.

[a smell of green grass]

ok since he is so obsessed with having a top 50 player on our team, let's look at 3 of sportsnets top 50

38. Nico Hischier, C, NJD
47. Nick Suzuki, C, MTL
44. Mathew Barzal, C/RW, NYI

Now who here would take either of those three players over Robert Thomas?

Who here believes that either one of those three players is THAT much better than Robert Thomas?

Give me a break. Thomas is at minimum an equal player to all three. He's better than at least 2 of them.

How are you comparing them? The 1C should make everyone around him great, like Kurt Warner and the Rams.

What are the stats of the dominant scorer for these centers currently?

Hischier
Goals: 20
Assists: 25
Shots: 206
Timo Meier

Suzuki/b]
Goals: 33
Assists: 28
Shots: 207
Cole Caufield

Thomas
Goals: 19
Assists: 18
Shots: 111
Jake Neighbours

[zamadoo]

like Kurt Warner and the Rams.

Kurt Warner had Isaac Bruce, Torey Holt, Marshall Faulk, Orlando Pace, etc.

He was not drafted high in the draft either - he was undrafted.

When the Rams went downhill, he went to NY and didn't make them better, then had a resurgence in ARI when they also had a great team including Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin.

[netboy65]

ok since he is so obsessed with having a top 50 player on our team, let's look at 3 of sportsnets top 50

38. Nico Hischier, C, NJD
47. Nick Suzuki, C, MTL
44. Mathew Barzal, C/RW, NYI

Now who here would take either of those three players over Robert Thomas?

Who here believes that either one of those three players is THAT much better than Robert Thomas?

Give me a break. Thomas is at minimum an equal player to all three. He's better than at least 2 of them.

How are you comparing them? The 1C should make everyone around him great, like Kurt Warner and the Rams.

What are the stats of the dominant scorer for these centers currently?

Hischier
Goals: 20
Assists: 25
Shots: 206
Timo Meier

Suzuki/b]
Goals: 33
Assists: 28
Shots: 207
Cole Caufield

Thomas
Goals: 19
Assists: 18
Shots: 111
Jake Neighbours

What is games played for each? Thomas missed significant time earlier

[dhsux]

Everyone wants to give ArmWeak credit for Broberg and Holloway, but the truth of the matter is that ArmWeak didn't obtain them the natural way. He stole them, and that will never happen again.

If ArmWeak would have drafted them, then it would be a happy note. He didn't! Our GM is lousy.

Assuming your right and that it will never happen again, you should concede that Armstrong did recognize it, did act on it, and in the process made his club stronger. That frankly is precisely what you want in a GM. You want a shark that knows the smell of blood in the water, Armstrong did and he capitalized on it, and the Blues are better for it. I am all for being critical when it is warranted, but none of what you wrote is, in fact it looks a lot like bias contradicting your assertion that Armstrong is weak. It looks a lot like he knew what to do and when to do it. It also looks like he will leave the Blues with a plethora of good, young talent.

Plethora is such a great word, the sound of it rolling off the tongue and around in the mind. Visions of bounty, multitudes, of gorging orgies after a great harvest or great victory, the plethora of slain enemies laid to waste. A plethora of options, all good.

Yeah, it's looking good. It might even look better tonight.

This premise of his is literally absurd.

Same for saying Army doesn't want to pick in top 10 because he is AFRAID TO.

It's bazaar made up sheet with zero basis.

[blackinkbiz]

We already have 3 "top-50" players (Kyrou-Thomas-Holloway) who's average age is just under 25 and there's others coming up with more knocking on the door. Also have one of the best young D-men in the league and one of the best vets.

You all keep falling into the smelly green trap he crawled out from under when he was born. Stop responding and send him back there!

Ah (bleep) I just responded with a lecture about not-responding. That smelly green stuff growing between his mother's youknowwhat must be toxic.

[sdaltons]

like Kurt Warner and the Rams.

Kurt Warner had Isaac Bruce, Torey Holt, Marshall Faulk, Orlando Pace, etc.

All terrible players before Kurt, obviously

[neverchange27]

Everyone wants to give ArmWeak credit for Broberg and Holloway, but the truth of the matter is that ArmWeak didn't obtain them the natural way. He stole them, and that will never happen again.

If ArmWeak would have drafted them, then it would be a happy note. He didn't! Our GM is lousy.

Assuming your right and that it will never happen again, you should concede that Armstrong did recognize it, did act on it, and in the process made his club stronger. That frankly is precisely what you want in a GM. You want a shark that knows the smell of blood in the water, Armstrong did and he capitalized on it, and the Blues are better for it. I am all for being critical when it is warranted, but none of what you wrote is, in fact it looks a lot like bias contradicting your assertion that Armstrong is weak. It looks a lot like he knew what to do and when to do it. It also looks like he will leave the Blues with a plethora of good, young talent.

Plethora is such a great word, the sound of it rolling off the tongue and around in the mind. Visions of bounty, multitudes, of gorging orgies after a great harvest or great victory, the plethora of slain enemies laid to waste. A plethora of options, all good.

Yeah, it's looking good. It might even look better tonight.

Cuckoo.

[TheJackBurton]

ok since he is so obsessed with having a top 50 player on our team, let's look at 3 of sportsnets top 50

38. Nico Hischier, C, NJD
47. Nick Suzuki, C, MTL
44. Mathew Barzal, C/RW, NYI

Now who here would take either of those three players over Robert Thomas?

Who here believes that either one of those three players is THAT much better than Robert Thomas?

Give me a break. Thomas is at minimum an equal player to all three. He's better than at least 2 of them.

How are you comparing them? The 1C should make everyone around him great, like Kurt Warner and the Rams.

What are the stats of the dominant scorer for these centers currently?

Hischier
Goals: 20
Assists: 25
Shots: 206
Timo Meier

Suzuki/b]
Goals: 33
Assists: 28
Shots: 207
Cole Caufield

Thomas
Goals: 19
Assists: 18
Shots: 111
Jake Neighbours

What? That's completely idiotic. You said we had no Top 50 players. I gave you examples of 3 that are no better (in fact 2 of the 3 aren't as good) as Robert Thomas and your comeback is that they have wingers who have slightly better numbers than Jake Neighbours?

Man, put the shovel away

[a smell of green grass]

ok since he is so obsessed with having a top 50 player on our team, let's look at 3 of sportsnets top 50

38. Nico Hischier, C, NJD
47. Nick Suzuki, C, MTL
44. Mathew Barzal, C/RW, NYI

Now who here would take either of those three players over Robert Thomas?

Who here believes that either one of those three players is THAT much better than Robert Thomas?

Give me a break. Thomas is at minimum an equal player to all three. He's better than at least 2 of them.

How are you comparing them? The 1C should make everyone around him great, like Kurt Warner and the Rams.

What are the stats of the dominant scorer for these centers currently?

Hischier
Goals: 20
Assists: 25
Shots: 206
Timo Meier

Suzuki/b]
Goals: 33
Assists: 28
Shots: 207
Cole Caufield

Thomas
Goals: 19
Assists: 18
Shots: 111
Jake Neighbours

What is games played for each? Thomas missed significant time earlier

So being able to stay on the ice is not a prerequisite for TOP50?

The truth will come easier once you stop looking for excuses.

[a smell of green grass]

like Kurt Warner and the Rams.

Kurt Warner had Isaac Bruce, Torey Holt, Marshall Faulk, Orlando Pace, etc.

All terrible players before Kurt, obviously

So how well did Bruce, Holt, Faulk, and Pace do after Warner left?
Warner went on to another Superbowl with another previously lousy team.

[netboy65]

ok since he is so obsessed with having a top 50 player on our team, let's look at 3 of sportsnets top 50

38. Nico Hischier, C, NJD
47. Nick Suzuki, C, MTL
44. Mathew Barzal, C/RW, NYI

Now who here would take either of those three players over Robert Thomas?

Who here believes that either one of those three players is THAT much better than Robert Thomas?

Give me a break. Thomas is at minimum an equal player to all three. He's better than at least 2 of them.

How are you comparing them? The 1C should make everyone around him great, like Kurt Warner and the Rams.

What are the stats of the dominant scorer for these centers currently?

Hischier
Goals: 20
Assists: 25
Shots: 206
Timo Meier

Suzuki/b]
Goals: 33
Assists: 28
Shots: 207
Cole Caufield

Thomas
Goals: 19
Assists: 18
Shots: 111
Jake Neighbours

What is games played for each? Thomas missed significant time earlier

So being able to stay on the ice is not a prerequisite for TOP50?

The truth will come easier once you stop looking for excuses.

Not when you just throw stats out and compare them as all things being equal. Surely you’re not that dense

[DutchBlue]

Great player, just (as usual) wrong example from greenie:

Warner began the 2002 season as the Rams' starter, but he played poorly, throwing seven interceptions against only one touchdown as the team went 0–3. In the Rams' Week 4 game against the Dallas Cowboys, Warner broke a finger on his throwing hand. Warner attempted to come back later in the season, but his injury allowed him to play only two more games (both losses). In contrast to his 103.0 career passer rating entering the season, Warner posted a minuscule 67.4 rating in 2002.

The following season, Warner was replaced as the Rams' starting quarterback for good after fumbling six times in the team's opening-day game against the New York Giants. Warner later revealed that he had previously broken his hand and that it had not fully healed, making it more difficult to grip the football.[28] His successor as the Rams' starting quarterback, Marc Bulger (another relatively unheralded quarterback coming out of college), stepped into the breach and played reasonably well upon replacing Warner.