I’m happy where the Cardinals are

[desertrat23]

It’s a team for people who loved to eat at Shoney’s.

(drat), I could use a Slim Jim right now.

Cards will be at .500 or slightly better this year. Am I happy with that? No, of course not. But I accept that's where they are and I'll try to enjoy the season based on where they are, not where I wish they were. See you at Shoney's.

.500 or slightly better might be the best case scenario. I think it could be a realistic expectation pre-ASB, but probably not afterward.

I’m still looking forward to the season, and will be watching/listening all year long, as always.

Good that you’re not applying the “winning is everything” philosophy where it doesn’t belong. It almost sounds reasonable?

Yeah, almost. Winning is always the goal, but one must stay real.

Winning is always OUR goal as fans, but not necessarily ownership.

I agree that .500 give or take is the realistic outcome, and I'll try to look at the season in that spirit. We all know this isn't the best effort the organization can put forth, but it is what it is.

Not to split hairs, but it may be the best effort THIS organization is capable of. I can't wait until Mo is gone.

Same. There will be a MASSIVE party at Shoney's when he darkens our door for the last time.

[YNWA2016]

I won't be happy with this team until we get new owners and see a positive direction of the franchise. right now it's still going downwards. I see no difference for this upcoming year. there is no chance the Cards even challenge for the weak central Division yet again this year.

[Cranny]

I won't be happy with this team until we get new owners and see a positive direction of the franchise. right now it's still going downwards. I see no difference for this upcoming year. there is no chance the Cards even challenge for the weak central Division yet again this year.

I'm very much looking forward to seeing how the talented young players do this season - Winn, Walker, Gorman, Herrera, Burleson, Scott, McGreevy, Mathews, etc. It's an exciting time to be a Cardinal fan.

[YNWA2016]

well that is something to look forward to

and hope some new players rise up and we have some new stars besides Winn in the making. that would be great

but I feel like we will be challenging the Pirates for last place in the division this year. I think both the Cubs and Reds are going to surpass us. the Reds now have Francona matched with all that young talent. I will be shocked if the Cards finish above them. Still think Brewers are the fav though

[11WSChamps]

We enter the season with question marks but not without hope. I’m comfortable with the rotation and having Mathews, Hence and Roby knocking on the door. I like the talent in the pen and believe Maton was a good add. I fully endorse the decision to keep Helsley to close and play to win. Throughout ST we have tended to walk fewer hitters than our opponents and that speaks well for our pitching as well as our hitters’ patience.

Sure the position players need to play better than last year but I have no reason to think they won’t. The look we are getting of Gorman, Scott II and Herrera is encouraging. I don’t worry about Winn or Noot. Willson will be solid at first. Looking for more from Burleson and Donovan and a spark from Walker. I think Koperniak is ready to step up and make the outfield solid at 4 levels.

Can’t wait to see how fast Davis and JJ move thru the minors. Can’t wait to see who we pick at #5 in the draft. Get a little momentum going in ‘25 and maybe Chaim comes thru in next winter’s FA market.

Listen to the naysayers if you want, this could be an encouraging year.

New too. Perfect situation for failure to force owner to spend. 60-70 wins and -2m fans will show he needs a $180-$200m payroll team with superstars to get back to the winning tradition. Nothing else will work. Has to be a disaster.

Plenty of room for Eeyores. Much rides on health and player development. I’m not against counting on a little luck, even some Cardinal pixie dust, but I don’t believe 90-100 losses for a second. Won’t happen.

Have you seen the youth? Going young with the 23rd ranked farm last year is a recipe for disaster. Teams go young when they have the Orioles type talent in the farm. You must see something no one else does.

I've proven that idiot wrong for so many seasons it's become a rite of spring.

Nothing but a troll shining Mo's desk apples.

What rock did u slide out from under? The only thing you’ve proven is you need tweezers and a magnifying glass to take a leak.

And I see you still have to squat to (bleep) by the side of the road.

I can see all the other four flushers who agree with you here.

Dope.

Wouldn’t it be something if you could see to contributing something constructive rather than taking the usual dump… chump.

Just because people don't agree with your rainbows and unicorns doesn't mean they're gloom and doomers.

The team's surrender this offseason should be proof enough but you keep on being you.

Being "contsructive" shouldn't mean gaslighting other posters who know better.

I could not care less who agrees or disagrees with my beliefs. I share my thoughts and defend them without rancor or personal attacks until someone like you comes along and gets very personal.

I don’t see a surrender this off-season, just a way to get from A to B. You are much more a gaslighter than am I.

You talk about signing Harper in lieu of Leake and Foster even though the contracts are 3 years apart. In fact the Cardinals were acquiring Goldy and Arenado while Philly was chasing Harper. To date Goldschmidt and Harper’s WAR have been roughly equivalent and Harper is in his 32 year season with 8 to go. That contract will be more than ripe the last 4 years or so. Interestingly, Harper produced a 2.5 WAR in ‘22 while Goldy and Arenado managed 15.6 combined. Even if Harper were interested in signing with the Cards it would have ended worse than Goldy’s.

No rancor yet here you are in the first page of the thread calling people doomsayers and hapless gamblers because they don't see your uninformed view of this franchise and how it's tail spinned in the last several years.

Just keep playing the sissy victim card.if you’re so upset

My point about Harper and specific time frame and him being a generational player something you wouldn't understand is spot on and everybody here with an ounce of sense and honesty agrees with it.

The direction this team has taken to be at the bottom of this division arguably the worst in baseball is embarrassing and if you can't admit you've been wrong about gaslighing this forum for years than you're stupider than even I could have imagined.

Acknowledging naysayers on CT is equivalent to calling water wet. If you take umbrage with that it’s only because you’re chickenchit. You aren’t smart enough to understand that this thread was confirming my expectations of Cardinal success. I don’t care what you think; much less that your childish feelings are hurt because somehow it’s not in line with your thoughts. Attacking posters for taking a position not in line with your thoughts is clearly your forte. But, you immediately make it personal.

Harper is an extraordinary player. Despite 4 years of sub 2 bWAR, he is a good investment for Philly. So what. Only one team could sign him and only an idiot wastes time complaining that DeWitt didn’t chase him. Get over it.

Anyone with any history here clearly knows who the coward is here and its YOU.

Can't admit you were wrong about countless "prospects" who bombed or fell far short of your clueless unicorn expectations and passed it off as some expert opinion when you were proven wrong you didn't have the balls to admit you were wrong as the direction of this franchise has shown.

I and others here are plenty smart enough to know who is full of [shirt] (you) when it comes to being realistic about this franchise and who hasn't been for years.

Now run along clueless.

[hugeCardfan]

New too. Perfect situation for failure to force owner to spend. 60-70 wins and -2m fans will show he needs a $180-$200m payroll team with superstars to get back to the winning tradition. Nothing else will work. Has to be a disaster.

Plenty of room for Eeyores. Much rides on health and player development. I’m not against counting on a little luck, even some Cardinal pixie dust, but I don’t believe 90-100 losses for a second. Won’t happen.

Have you seen the youth? Going young with the 23rd ranked farm last year is a recipe for disaster. Teams go young when they have the Orioles type talent in the farm. You must see something no one else does.

I've proven that idiot wrong for so many seasons it's become a rite of spring.

Nothing but a troll shining Mo's desk apples.

What rock did u slide out from under? The only thing you’ve proven is you need tweezers and a magnifying glass to take a leak.

And I see you still have to squat to (bleep) by the side of the road.

I can see all the other four flushers who agree with you here.

Dope.

Wouldn’t it be something if you could see to contributing something constructive rather than taking the usual dump… chump.

Just because people don't agree with your rainbows and unicorns doesn't mean they're gloom and doomers.

The team's surrender this offseason should be proof enough but you keep on being you.

Being "contsructive" shouldn't mean gaslighting other posters who know better.

I could not care less who agrees or disagrees with my beliefs. I share my thoughts and defend them without rancor or personal attacks until someone like you comes along and gets very personal.

I don’t see a surrender this off-season, just a way to get from A to B. You are much more a gaslighter than am I.

You talk about signing Harper in lieu of Leake and Foster even though the contracts are 3 years apart. In fact the Cardinals were acquiring Goldy and Arenado while Philly was chasing Harper. To date Goldschmidt and Harper’s WAR have been roughly equivalent and Harper is in his 32 year season with 8 to go. That contract will be more than ripe the last 4 years or so. Interestingly, Harper produced a 2.5 WAR in ‘22 while Goldy and Arenado managed 15.6 combined. Even if Harper were interested in signing with the Cards it would have ended worse than Goldy’s.

No rancor yet here you are in the first page of the thread calling people doomsayers and hapless gamblers because they don't see your uninformed view of this franchise and how it's tail spinned in the last several years.

Just keep playing the sissy victim card.if you’re so upset

My point about Harper and specific time frame and him being a generational player something you wouldn't understand is spot on and everybody here with an ounce of sense and honesty agrees with it.

The direction this team has taken to be at the bottom of this division arguably the worst in baseball is embarrassing and if you can't admit you've been wrong about gaslighing this forum for years than you're stupider than even I could have imagined.

Acknowledging naysayers on CT is equivalent to calling water wet. If you take umbrage with that it’s only because you’re chickenchit. You aren’t smart enough to understand that this thread was confirming my expectations of Cardinal success. I don’t care what you think; much less that your childish feelings are hurt because somehow it’s not in line with your thoughts. Attacking posters for taking a position not in line with your thoughts is clearly your forte. But, you immediately make it personal.

Harper is an extraordinary player. Despite 4 years of sub 2 bWAR, he is a good investment for Philly. So what. Only one team could sign him and only an idiot wastes time complaining that DeWitt didn’t chase him. Get over it.

Anyone with any history here clearly knows who the coward is here and its YOU.

Can't admit you were wrong about countless "prospects" who bombed or fell far short of your clueless unicorn expectations and passed it off as some expert opinion when you were proven wrong you didn't have the balls to admit you were wrong as the direction of this franchise has shown.

I and others here are plenty smart enough to know who is full of [shirt] (you) when it comes to being realistic about this franchise and who hasn't been for years.

Now run along clueless.

Stop being such a pissant. I openly say what is on my mind and you can’t deal with it. I don’t care if you agree or disagree with me about anything said on this forum by anyone. You are too weak to maintain a cordial exchange of ideas that don’t fall in line with your thinking.

Your first post on this thread exposed your insolence; the inability to manage disagreement in a coherent or socially acceptable way.

You just need to learn how to play with others junior.

[11WSChamps]

Plenty of room for Eeyores. Much rides on health and player development. I’m not against counting on a little luck, even some Cardinal pixie dust, but I don’t believe 90-100 losses for a second. Won’t happen.

Have you seen the youth? Going young with the 23rd ranked farm last year is a recipe for disaster. Teams go young when they have the Orioles type talent in the farm. You must see something no one else does.

I've proven that idiot wrong for so many seasons it's become a rite of spring.

Nothing but a troll shining Mo's desk apples.

What rock did u slide out from under? The only thing you’ve proven is you need tweezers and a magnifying glass to take a leak.

And I see you still have to squat to (bleep) by the side of the road.

I can see all the other four flushers who agree with you here.

Dope.

Wouldn’t it be something if you could see to contributing something constructive rather than taking the usual dump… chump.

Just because people don't agree with your rainbows and unicorns doesn't mean they're gloom and doomers.

The team's surrender this offseason should be proof enough but you keep on being you.

Being "contsructive" shouldn't mean gaslighting other posters who know better.

I could not care less who agrees or disagrees with my beliefs. I share my thoughts and defend them without rancor or personal attacks until someone like you comes along and gets very personal.

I don’t see a surrender this off-season, just a way to get from A to B. You are much more a gaslighter than am I.

You talk about signing Harper in lieu of Leake and Foster even though the contracts are 3 years apart. In fact the Cardinals were acquiring Goldy and Arenado while Philly was chasing Harper. To date Goldschmidt and Harper’s WAR have been roughly equivalent and Harper is in his 32 year season with 8 to go. That contract will be more than ripe the last 4 years or so. Interestingly, Harper produced a 2.5 WAR in ‘22 while Goldy and Arenado managed 15.6 combined. Even if Harper were interested in signing with the Cards it would have ended worse than Goldy’s.

No rancor yet here you are in the first page of the thread calling people doomsayers and hapless gamblers because they don't see your uninformed view of this franchise and how it's tail spinned in the last several years.

Just keep playing the sissy victim card.if you’re so upset

My point about Harper and specific time frame and him being a generational player something you wouldn't understand is spot on and everybody here with an ounce of sense and honesty agrees with it.

The direction this team has taken to be at the bottom of this division arguably the worst in baseball is embarrassing and if you can't admit you've been wrong about gaslighing this forum for years than you're stupider than even I could have imagined.

Acknowledging naysayers on CT is equivalent to calling water wet. If you take umbrage with that it’s only because you’re chickenchit. You aren’t smart enough to understand that this thread was confirming my expectations of Cardinal success. I don’t care what you think; much less that your childish feelings are hurt because somehow it’s not in line with your thoughts. Attacking posters for taking a position not in line with your thoughts is clearly your forte. But, you immediately make it personal.

Harper is an extraordinary player. Despite 4 years of sub 2 bWAR, he is a good investment for Philly. So what. Only one team could sign him and only an idiot wastes time complaining that DeWitt didn’t chase him. Get over it.

Anyone with any history here clearly knows who the coward is here and its YOU.

Can't admit you were wrong about countless "prospects" who bombed or fell far short of your clueless unicorn expectations and passed it off as some expert opinion when you were proven wrong you didn't have the balls to admit you were wrong as the direction of this franchise has shown.

I and others here are plenty smart enough to know who is full of [shirt] (you) when it comes to being realistic about this franchise and who hasn't been for years.

Now run along clueless.

Stop being such a pissant. I openly say what is on my mind and you can’t deal with it. I don’t care if you agree or disagree with me about anything said on this forum by anyone. You are too weak to maintain a cordial exchange of ideas that don’t fall in line with your thinking.

Your first post on this thread exposed your insolence; the inability to manage disagreement in a coherent or socially acceptable way.

You just need to learn how to play with others junior.

Exchange all the ideas you want Shirley that's never been the issue.

The issue is when you're proven wrong every season you haven't got the stones to admit it. Get the picture?

Express any ideas your uninformed self wants to but when your called out on it in the following off season own up to it
Instead of acting like some little girl caught outside with a short skirt in a high wind.

[hugeCardfan]

Have you seen the youth? Going young with the 23rd ranked farm last year is a recipe for disaster. Teams go young when they have the Orioles type talent in the farm. You must see something no one else does.

I've proven that idiot wrong for so many seasons it's become a rite of spring.

Nothing but a troll shining Mo's desk apples.

What rock did u slide out from under? The only thing you’ve proven is you need tweezers and a magnifying glass to take a leak.

And I see you still have to squat to (bleep) by the side of the road.

I can see all the other four flushers who agree with you here.

Dope.

Wouldn’t it be something if you could see to contributing something constructive rather than taking the usual dump… chump.

Just because people don't agree with your rainbows and unicorns doesn't mean they're gloom and doomers.

The team's surrender this offseason should be proof enough but you keep on being you.

Being "contsructive" shouldn't mean gaslighting other posters who know better.

I could not care less who agrees or disagrees with my beliefs. I share my thoughts and defend them without rancor or personal attacks until someone like you comes along and gets very personal.

I don’t see a surrender this off-season, just a way to get from A to B. You are much more a gaslighter than am I.

You talk about signing Harper in lieu of Leake and Foster even though the contracts are 3 years apart. In fact the Cardinals were acquiring Goldy and Arenado while Philly was chasing Harper. To date Goldschmidt and Harper’s WAR have been roughly equivalent and Harper is in his 32 year season with 8 to go. That contract will be more than ripe the last 4 years or so. Interestingly, Harper produced a 2.5 WAR in ‘22 while Goldy and Arenado managed 15.6 combined. Even if Harper were interested in signing with the Cards it would have ended worse than Goldy’s.

No rancor yet here you are in the first page of the thread calling people doomsayers and hapless gamblers because they don't see your uninformed view of this franchise and how it's tail spinned in the last several years.

Just keep playing the sissy victim card.if you’re so upset

My point about Harper and specific time frame and him being a generational player something you wouldn't understand is spot on and everybody here with an ounce of sense and honesty agrees with it.

The direction this team has taken to be at the bottom of this division arguably the worst in baseball is embarrassing and if you can't admit you've been wrong about gaslighing this forum for years than you're stupider than even I could have imagined.

Acknowledging naysayers on CT is equivalent to calling water wet. If you take umbrage with that it’s only because you’re chickenchit. You aren’t smart enough to understand that this thread was confirming my expectations of Cardinal success. I don’t care what you think; much less that your childish feelings are hurt because somehow it’s not in line with your thoughts. Attacking posters for taking a position not in line with your thoughts is clearly your forte. But, you immediately make it personal.

Harper is an extraordinary player. Despite 4 years of sub 2 bWAR, he is a good investment for Philly. So what. Only one team could sign him and only an idiot wastes time complaining that DeWitt didn’t chase him. Get over it.

Anyone with any history here clearly knows who the coward is here and its YOU.

Can't admit you were wrong about countless "prospects" who bombed or fell far short of your clueless unicorn expectations and passed it off as some expert opinion when you were proven wrong you didn't have the balls to admit you were wrong as the direction of this franchise has shown.

I and others here are plenty smart enough to know who is full of [shirt] (you) when it comes to being realistic about this franchise and who hasn't been for years.

Now run along clueless.

Stop being such a pissant. I openly say what is on my mind and you can’t deal with it. I don’t care if you agree or disagree with me about anything said on this forum by anyone. You are too weak to maintain a cordial exchange of ideas that don’t fall in line with your thinking.

Your first post on this thread exposed your insolence; the inability to manage disagreement in a coherent or socially acceptable way.

You just need to learn how to play with others junior.

Exchange all the ideas you want Shirley that's never been the issue.

The issue is when you're proven wrong every season you haven't got the stones to admit it. Get the picture?

Express any ideas your uninformed self wants to but when your called out on it in the following off season own up to it
Instead of acting like some little girl caught outside with a short skirt in a high wind.

You speak in generalities because you have nothing you little curmudgeon.

[11WSChamps]

You poor baby schooled once again.

Back to your shoe shine cubicle.

[Cranny]

Hope all those young talented players now get the proper coaching coming through the system.

[JDW]

It's always easy to fall over heels with our teams young players/prospects while somewhat disregarding other teams or being unaware of all the other teams young players/prospects. I think it's called being a fan, which often diminishes overall perspective.
That said, it is what it is as far as where the Cards position currently is, and this season should provide much more clarity moving forward. Should be interesting, even w/o being either too optimistic or too pessimistic.

[Cranny]

Cardinals are deep on prospect pitching and shallow on impact bats. Hope they draft at #5 another high ceiling college bat.

[hugeCardfan]

Cardinals are deep on prospect pitching and shallow on impact bats. Hope they draft at #5 another high ceiling college bat.

I can live with a near sure thing bat, but wouldn’t mind a starter arm only a year or two out. Best player available works for me. I’d also love to see renewed international focus.

Hopefully Chaim’s greatest contribution to the Cardinals is selection and development in house. FA acquisitions are necessary but only viable when most needs are filled in house.

[Cranny]

Cardinals are deep on prospect pitching and shallow on impact bats. Hope they draft at #5 another high ceiling college bat.

I can live with a near sure thing bat, but wouldn’t mind a starter arm only a year or two out. Best player available works for me. I’d also love to see renewed international focus.

Hopefully Chaim’s greatest contribution to the Cardinals is selection and development in house. FA acquisitions are necessary but only viable when most needs are filled in house.

I wonder if Chaim is going to be deeply involved in the draft.

Again, I hope they take another college JJ type player (but with power) at #5.

Those Palm Beach pitchers were really good last season. The team was 83-47, mainly because of the pitching.

[OldRed]

Cardinals are deep on prospect pitching and shallow on impact bats. Hope they draft at #5 another high ceiling college bat.

I can live with a near sure thing bat, but wouldn’t mind a starter arm only a year or two out. Best player available works for me. I’d also love to see renewed international focus.

Hopefully Chaim’s greatest contribution to the Cardinals is selection and development in house. FA acquisitions are necessary but only viable when most needs are filled in house.

I wonder if Chaim is going to be deeply involved in the draft.

Again, I hope they take another college JJ type player (but with power) at #5.

Those Palm Beach pitchers were really good last season. The team was 83-47, mainly because of the pitching.

What is the average timeline to develop draft picks?

[hugeCardfan]

It's always easy to fall over heels with our teams young players/prospects while somewhat disregarding other teams or being unaware of all the other teams young players/prospects. I think it's called being a fan, which often diminishes overall perspective.
That said, it is what it is as far as where the Cards position currently is, and this season should provide much more clarity moving forward. Should be interesting, even w/o being either too optimistic or too pessimistic.

Well said. It’s important to see our top prospects perform consistently well at all levels on the farm. Good coaching and development of good habits are critical to a winning program. Here is hoping that we get much better at supporting our young talent and invest well in their training. We aren’t where we need to be, but seem to be taking strides to get there.

As for this year I am encouraged by our pitching talent, starters and pen. The farm system should support some injuries. Position issues need some positive surprises. Letting them play could allow for that. ST has been encouraging for Scott II, Baker, McGreevy and Roby to name a few. I also think Koperniak will eventually contribute as a 4th fielder.

We won’t be world beaters this year, but I don’t think we’ll embarrass ourselves either. The chance to win on a given day makes the game fun and I’m encouraged. That pen will hold some leads IMO. May Helsley be healthy all season.