Poll- Winn leadoff

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

Not at all. 7 or 8 is best guess at this point.

[Monsieur De Treville]

Scott at leadoff.
Mootbaar on the bench or traded.
Correct baseball decision.

What drives your negative obsession with Noot? I'm being serious...you're typically fairly reasonable EXCEPT when it comes to this particular player.

Yes, he's oft-injured. That has to change. But when healthy, he's a good player. Not a Superstar, possibly never an All Star, but on this team???? A good player.

He runs well and is a fine corner outfielder. He's not great in CF, but he's not awful either. And...he gets on base.

With almost 1,200 MLB ABs he has a line of:

.246/.348/.425/.774/115

And this is while he's fighting injuries. The .348 OBP plays on this team! Heck, it's around a top 15 NL number!

And yet...you do nothing but criticize. I don't get it? A healthy Noot is a huge plus at the top of a lineup. So what is it? If it's the injuries, fair enough. If something else, please explain.

[hilton head is 4 idiots]

Scott at leadoff.
Mootbaar on the bench or traded.
Correct baseball decision.

Pure "96 HOUR GUARANTEE" style folly, where the COWARDLY LIAR once again shows both his biased agenda and his stupidity.

The true SideShowClown.

Hey everybody let's bench our best outfielder!

[Melville]

Scott at leadoff.
Mootbaar on the bench or traded.
Correct baseball decision.

What drives your negative obsession with Noot? I'm being serious...you're typically fairly reasonable EXCEPT when it comes to this particular player.

Yes, he's oft-injured. That has to change. But when healthy, he's a good player. Not a Superstar, possibly never an All Star, but on this team???? A good player.

He runs well and is a fine corner outfielder. He's not great in CF, but he's not awful either. And...he gets on base.

With almost 1,200 MLB ABs he has a line of:

.246/.348/.425/.774/115

And this is while he's fighting injuries. The .348 OBP plays on this team! Heck, it's around a top 15 NL number!

And yet...you do nothing but criticize. I don't get it? A healthy Noot is a huge plus at the top of a lineup. So what is it? If it's the injuries, fair enough. If something else, please explain.

I do not criticize players.
I am not "for" nor "against" anyone in particular.
Ever.
I simply do a fair, unbiased analysis in every instance and then arrive at the correct baseball decision.
FACT is, Lars the Human Sushi-baar (he always leaves the team and fans with any empty feeling) is now entering his 5th MLB season.
He is a corner outfielder who has never hit 15 HR in a season, never driven in 50 runs, has never scored 75 runs (and only once exceeded 53), never has more than 426 AB's (his 2nd best was a paltry 348), and has only managed to start 315 games in the past 4 seasons.
Only a fool - such as Super Slo Mo - would continue to expect Mootbaar to ever become a reliable, effective, productive key roster piece at this point.
He isn't.
He will never be.
The misplaced repeated opportunities being given to him is nothing more than the repeated similar idiocy the team displayed with DeJong, The Paper Tyler, and The Poser.
All were epic failures with the Cardinals, despite a brief flash here and there.
Mootbaar is the same.
Nothing personal against him.
Probably a good guy (although his seriousness about the game is certainly questionable).
But he has failed.
Long past time to move on.
The CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is to trade him - and that has been true for the past 2 years.

[sikeston bulldog2]

There has been no one yet to endorse whether non at lead off. I ask again. How can we be so wrong and one man so right.

Blows my buzz.

[Ronnie Dobbs]

I don’t mind him LO in ST if he needs the PAs…

This, although I have a feeling they're going to carry it over into the season again.

But Noot and Donovan should be hitting first and second. Set them and forget it. It's not like this lineup has been scoring a ton of runs with Winn leading off, so I don't know why they are so stubborn with keeping him there. And I don't know if it's coming from Oli or the FO, but either way it is another example of this organization trying to jam a player into a certain role no matter the result.

[sikeston bulldog2]

I don’t mind him LO in ST if he needs the PAs…

This, although I have a feeling they're going to carry it over into the season again.

But Noot and Donovan should be hitting first and second. Set them and forget it. It's not like this lineup has been scoring a ton of runs with Winn leading off, so I don't know why they are so stubborn with keeping him there. And I don't know if it's coming from Oli or the FO, but either way it is another example of this organization trying to jam a player into a certain role no matter the result.

Good write. The stubbornness tells me we ain’t learning.

[TheFantasyStud]

Vote - no for Winn at leadoff.

The cards need to score at least 100 more runs this year.
Step 1 get rid of Siani
Step 2 bat Nootbaar at leadoff, play him in left and keep him healthy. (Sorry Melville, Noot’s going to finallly put it all together this year, although you make good points)
Step 3 bat Contreras second (more ABs for our best hitter)
Step 4 bat Donavan 3rd
STEP 5 bat Winn 8th and Scott II 9th. Let them run ahead of Nootbaar.
Step 6 have all the fun you want moving hitters 4-7 around. Just leave 1,2,8,9 alone.

Results = 100 more runs on 2025 than 2024.

[Melville]

There has been no one yet to endorse whether non at lead off. I ask again. How can we be so wrong and one man so right.

Blows my buzz.

Speaking of one man being so right.....

If the Cardinals are serious about 2025 being the season which determines the plan for the years which follow, the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is as follows (against RH starters):

1. Scott - CF
2. Winn - SS
3. Donovan - 2B
4. Contreras - 1B
5. Burleson - DH
6. Gorman - 3B
7. Walker - RF
8. Pages / Herrera C (2-way competition)
9. Mootbaar / Koperniak / RH hitter (3-way competition)

[Monsieur De Treville]

Scott at leadoff.
Mootbaar on the bench or traded.
Correct baseball decision.

What drives your negative obsession with Noot? I'm being serious...you're typically fairly reasonable EXCEPT when it comes to this particular player.

Yes, he's oft-injured. That has to change. But when healthy, he's a good player. Not a Superstar, possibly never an All Star, but on this team???? A good player.

He runs well and is a fine corner outfielder. He's not great in CF, but he's not awful either. And...he gets on base.

With almost 1,200 MLB ABs he has a line of:

.246/.348/.425/.774/115

And this is while he's fighting injuries. The .348 OBP plays on this team! Heck, it's around a top 15 NL number!

And yet...you do nothing but criticize. I don't get it? A healthy Noot is a huge plus at the top of a lineup. So what is it? If it's the injuries, fair enough. If something else, please explain.

I do not criticize players.
I am not "for" nor "against" anyone in particular.
Ever.
I simply do a fair, unbiased analysis in every instance and then arrive at the correct baseball decision.
FACT is, Lars the Human Sushi-baar (he always leaves the team and fans with any empty feeling) is now entering his 5th MLB season.
He is a corner outfielder who has never hit 15 HR in a season, never driven in 50 runs, has never scored 75 runs (and only once exceeded 53), never has more than 426 AB's (his 2nd best was a paltry 348), and has only managed to start 315 games in the past 4 seasons.
Only a fool - such as Super Slo Mo - would continue to expect Mootbaar to ever become a reliable, effective, productive key roster piece at this point.
He isn't.
He will never be.
The misplaced repeated opportunities being given to him is nothing more than the repeated similar idiocy the team displayed with DeJong, The Paper Tyler, and The Poser.
All were epic failures with the Cardinals, despite a brief flash here and there.
Mootbaar is the same.
Nothing personal against him.
Probably a good guy (although his seriousness about the game is certainly questionable).
But he has failed.
Long past time to move on.
The CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is to trade him - and that has been true for the past 2 years.

He's been hurt. A lot.

But....

HE GETS ON BASE! Period.

[TheFantasyStud]

Nice opposite field home run for Nooooooot.
His OBP%, ACG pitches per plate appearance and hard hit rate work really well at leadoff.
We just need to hope he stays healthy. Hitting him 9th would be foolish.

[Melville]

Scott at leadoff.
Mootbaar on the bench or traded.
Correct baseball decision.

What drives your negative obsession with Noot? I'm being serious...you're typically fairly reasonable EXCEPT when it comes to this particular player.

Yes, he's oft-injured. That has to change. But when healthy, he's a good player. Not a Superstar, possibly never an All Star, but on this team???? A good player.

He runs well and is a fine corner outfielder. He's not great in CF, but he's not awful either. And...he gets on base.

With almost 1,200 MLB ABs he has a line of:

.246/.348/.425/.774/115

And this is while he's fighting injuries. The .348 OBP plays on this team! Heck, it's around a top 15 NL number!

And yet...you do nothing but criticize. I don't get it? A healthy Noot is a huge plus at the top of a lineup. So what is it? If it's the injuries, fair enough. If something else, please explain.

I do not criticize players.
I am not "for" nor "against" anyone in particular.
Ever.
I simply do a fair, unbiased analysis in every instance and then arrive at the correct baseball decision.
FACT is, Lars the Human Sushi-baar (he always leaves the team and fans with any empty feeling) is now entering his 5th MLB season.
He is a corner outfielder who has never hit 15 HR in a season, never driven in 50 runs, has never scored 75 runs (and only once exceeded 53), never has more than 426 AB's (his 2nd best was a paltry 348), and has only managed to start 315 games in the past 4 seasons.
Only a fool - such as Super Slo Mo - would continue to expect Mootbaar to ever become a reliable, effective, productive key roster piece at this point.
He isn't.
He will never be.
The misplaced repeated opportunities being given to him is nothing more than the repeated similar idiocy the team displayed with DeJong, The Paper Tyler, and The Poser.
All were epic failures with the Cardinals, despite a brief flash here and there.
Mootbaar is the same.
Nothing personal against him.
Probably a good guy (although his seriousness about the game is certainly questionable).
But he has failed.
Long past time to move on.
The CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is to trade him - and that has been true for the past 2 years.

He's been hurt. A lot.

But....

HE GETS ON BASE! Period.

Does he?
In the past 3 years a designated starting outfielder, he did not reach base at all in the 152 games he missed.
.000 OBP in roughly 600 opportunities to reach base.
Period.

[Monsieur De Treville]

Scott at leadoff.
Mootbaar on the bench or traded.
Correct baseball decision.

What drives your negative obsession with Noot? I'm being serious...you're typically fairly reasonable EXCEPT when it comes to this particular player.

Yes, he's oft-injured. That has to change. But when healthy, he's a good player. Not a Superstar, possibly never an All Star, but on this team???? A good player.

He runs well and is a fine corner outfielder. He's not great in CF, but he's not awful either. And...he gets on base.

With almost 1,200 MLB ABs he has a line of:

.246/.348/.425/.774/115

And this is while he's fighting injuries. The .348 OBP plays on this team! Heck, it's around a top 15 NL number!

And yet...you do nothing but criticize. I don't get it? A healthy Noot is a huge plus at the top of a lineup. So what is it? If it's the injuries, fair enough. If something else, please explain.

I do not criticize players.
I am not "for" nor "against" anyone in particular.
Ever.
I simply do a fair, unbiased analysis in every instance and then arrive at the correct baseball decision.
FACT is, Lars the Human Sushi-baar (he always leaves the team and fans with any empty feeling) is now entering his 5th MLB season.
He is a corner outfielder who has never hit 15 HR in a season, never driven in 50 runs, has never scored 75 runs (and only once exceeded 53), never has more than 426 AB's (his 2nd best was a paltry 348), and has only managed to start 315 games in the past 4 seasons.
Only a fool - such as Super Slo Mo - would continue to expect Mootbaar to ever become a reliable, effective, productive key roster piece at this point.
He isn't.
He will never be.
The misplaced repeated opportunities being given to him is nothing more than the repeated similar idiocy the team displayed with DeJong, The Paper Tyler, and The Poser.
All were epic failures with the Cardinals, despite a brief flash here and there.
Mootbaar is the same.
Nothing personal against him.
Probably a good guy (although his seriousness about the game is certainly questionable).
But he has failed.
Long past time to move on.
The CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is to trade him - and that has been true for the past 2 years.

He's been hurt. A lot.

But....

HE GETS ON BASE! Period.

Does he?
In the past 3 years a designated starting outfielder, he did not reach base at all in the 152 games he missed.
.000 OBP in roughly 600 opportunities to reach base.
Period.

Yes, he's hurt. Maybe he'll be hurt this season. Maybe he won't.

But....

If healthy, HE GETS ON BASE. Career .348 OBP.
2025 ST? .462 OBP.

You're simply being disingenuous as well deliberately obtuse. Full of bias.

[CardsBest]

8 or 9

Most teams yes he is 8 or 9 but so are the other starters. This whole lineup if full of 8 or 9 hitters on good teams. Contreras might be the only exception.

[thetank2]

Scott at leadoff.
Mootbaar on the bench or traded.
Correct baseball decision.

The expert has spoken.

[Absolut]

No
Nay
Nope