Has Anyone Here Seen "Emilia Perez"?

[Dicktar2023]

I was all set to watch Emilia Perez and had just started it when I read that it is a musical. Maybe I read that here? Anyway, folks, I don’t do musicals. I’ve managed to avoid anything WICKED for more than a decade.

Not gonna watch a musical.

Even though it has some musical numbers, it's really not a musical. If you dismiss all musicals, you deprive yourself of some great stuff. Have you never seen West Side Story?

It's funny that you think West Side Story is the film that would convince someone who is averse to movie musicals. It's the embodiment of everything ridiculous about the genre. It's like somebody said "I don't like horror movies" and you responded "But what about The Exorcist??"

We certainly agree that Emilia Perez is "really not a musical." If only Audiard had taken the next step and made it not at all a musical, it might be watchable. The West Side Storys of the world are overwrought and silly, but at least they have the courage of their convictions.

It seems we disagree on what makes great art. That is good, however, because art is subjective. I respect your opinion, but I have to ask; what is wrong with The Exorcist?

Nothing, I'm a big fan. I meant someone who doesn't like the tropes of horror movies isn't going to be persuaded by the most horrible. Confusing example. Maybe I should have said The Human Centipede.

[abuxb]

I was all set to watch Emilia Perez and had just started it when I read that it is a musical. Maybe I read that here? Anyway, folks, I don’t do musicals. I’ve managed to avoid anything WICKED for more than a decade.

Not gonna watch a musical.

Even though it has some musical numbers, it's really not a musical. If you dismiss all musicals, you deprive yourself of some great stuff. Have you never seen West Side Story?

It's funny that you think West Side Story is the film that would convince someone who is averse to movie musicals. It's the embodiment of everything ridiculous about the genre. It's like somebody said "I don't like horror movies" and you responded "But what about The Exorcist??"

We certainly agree that Emilia Perez is "really not a musical." If only Audiard had taken the next step and made it not at all a musical, it might be watchable. The West Side Storys of the world are overwrought and silly, but at least they have the courage of their convictions.

It seems we disagree on what makes great art. That is good, however, because art is subjective. I respect your opinion, but I have to ask; what is wrong with The Exorcist?

Nothing, I'm a big fan. I meant someone who doesn't like the tropes of horror movies isn't going to be persuaded by the most horrible. Confusing example. Maybe I should have said The Human Centipede.

That would have made more sense. It's like recommending High School Musical as a great movie musical.

[Bighorn66]

I just checked Rotten Tomatoes, and it's Critics 76& "fresh"; moviegoers 70, so that's better than I expected. I'm just curious about what the 30% said.

Even J. C. Corcoran mentioned last week about some of St. Louis's male TV reporters and show hosts: Why so effeminate?

Like,

My first interaction with a studio was in the early 2000s. Upon my first visit, I was in a meeting with about a dozen—studio executives and their charges. I was struck by how effeminate the men were. I thought to myself, OK it’s Hollywood and there are a lot of gay men. As I got to know them better I learned they had families and/or hetero relationships and the group was not skewed at all. But why were they so effeminate. After visiting other studios I made the same observation. And I coined it California Heterosexual. Maybe it’s catching on.

I should probably change it to Cali Hetro.

[MikoTython]

I just checked Rotten Tomatoes, and it's Critics 76& "fresh"; moviegoers 70, so that's better than I expected. I'm just curious about what the 30% said.

Even J. C. Corcoran mentioned last week about some of St. Louis's male TV reporters and show hosts: Why so effeminate?

Like,

My first interaction with a studio was in the early 2000s. Upon my first visit, I was in a meeting with about a dozen—studio executives and their charges. I was struck by how effeminate the men were. I thought to myself, OK it’s Hollywood and there are a lot of gay men. As I got to know them better I learned they had families and/or hetero relationships and the group was not skewed at all. But why were they so effeminate. After visiting other studios I made the same observation. And I coined it California Heterosexual. Maybe it’s catching on.

I should probably change it to Cali Hetro.

You mean like dis ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srGpMV1ppn8

[Pink Freud]

I should probably change it to Cali Hetro.

Remember "metrosexual"?

[MikoTython]

Never fear, Clark, you're safe from further outrages - The EP Train has jumped the tracks :

Oscar season can experience dramatic swings, but rarely has a celebrated film gone into free fall as quickly as “Emilia Pérez.”

Everything seemed to be going right for Netflix’s Spanish-language musical about drug violence, gender transition and much, much more — at least when Oscar nominations were announced on Jan. 23.

Celebrated at Cannes and fresh off a best motion picture (musical or comedy) win at the Golden Globes, French directing legend Jacques Audiard’s film received 13 Oscar nominations, a record for a non-English-language film and one short of the overall record for any film (just behind “All About Eve,” “Titanic” and “La La Land”).

Then, on Jan. 30, journalist Sarah Hagi resurfaced an archive of racist, Islamophobic tweets from the film’s star, Karla Sofía Gascón — who had just become the first openly transgender performer to be nominated for an Oscar. An uproar was immediate. In response, Gascon has defended herself, at length, in social media posts and interviews that she reportedly did not coordinate with the public relations team behind “Emilia Pérez.” In a highly unusual development, Netflix is now promoting the movie to Oscar voters not only without its lead — who plays the title character — but without even her name or image. It’s become an “Emilia Pérez” Oscar campaign without Emilia Pérez....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertai ... on-oscars/

[abuxb]

Never fear, Clark, you're safe from further outrages - The EP Train has jumped the tracks :

Oscar season can experience dramatic swings, but rarely has a celebrated film gone into free fall as quickly as “Emilia Pérez.”

Everything seemed to be going right for Netflix’s Spanish-language musical about drug violence, gender transition and much, much more — at least when Oscar nominations were announced on Jan. 23.

Celebrated at Cannes and fresh off a best motion picture (musical or comedy) win at the Golden Globes, French directing legend Jacques Audiard’s film received 13 Oscar nominations, a record for a non-English-language film and one short of the overall record for any film (just behind “All About Eve,” “Titanic” and “La La Land”).

Then, on Jan. 30, journalist Sarah Hagi resurfaced an archive of racist, Islamophobic tweets from the film’s star, Karla Sofía Gascón — who had just become the first openly transgender performer to be nominated for an Oscar. An uproar was immediate. In response, Gascon has defended herself, at length, in social media posts and interviews that she reportedly did not coordinate with the public relations team behind “Emilia Pérez.” In a highly unusual development, Netflix is now promoting the movie to Oscar voters not only without its lead — who plays the title character — but without even her name or image. It’s become an “Emilia Pérez” Oscar campaign without Emilia Pérez....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertai ... on-oscars/

These offensive tweets should cause her to be ostracized, but the movie should be judged on its own merits. As such, it is an interesting attempt at something different and, while not worthy of a Best Picture Oscar, is worth seeing.

I believe art should be judged for what it is, not for the personal life of those involved in its making. I can appreciate the greatness of Woody Allen and Roman Polanski, for example, while condemning their misdeeds.

[3dender]

Never fear, Clark, you're safe from further outrages - The EP Train has jumped the tracks :

Oscar season can experience dramatic swings, but rarely has a celebrated film gone into free fall as quickly as “Emilia Pérez.”

Everything seemed to be going right for Netflix’s Spanish-language musical about drug violence, gender transition and much, much more — at least when Oscar nominations were announced on Jan. 23.

Celebrated at Cannes and fresh off a best motion picture (musical or comedy) win at the Golden Globes, French directing legend Jacques Audiard’s film received 13 Oscar nominations, a record for a non-English-language film and one short of the overall record for any film (just behind “All About Eve,” “Titanic” and “La La Land”).

Then, on Jan. 30, journalist Sarah Hagi resurfaced an archive of racist, Islamophobic tweets from the film’s star, Karla Sofía Gascón — who had just become the first openly transgender performer to be nominated for an Oscar. An uproar was immediate. In response, Gascon has defended herself, at length, in social media posts and interviews that she reportedly did not coordinate with the public relations team behind “Emilia Pérez.” In a highly unusual development, Netflix is now promoting the movie to Oscar voters not only without its lead — who plays the title character — but without even her name or image. It’s become an “Emilia Pérez” Oscar campaign without Emilia Pérez....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertai ... on-oscars/

These offensive tweets should cause her to be ostracized, but the movie should be judged on its own merits. As such, it is an interesting attempt at something different and, while not worthy of a Best Picture Oscar, is worth seeing.

I believe art should be judged for what it is, not for the personal life of those involved in its making. I can appreciate the greatness of Woody Allen and Roman Polanski, for example, while condemning their misdeeds.

Do you still watch Mel Gibson act and direct as well?

Is there anything an artist could do that would make you not want to consume their art?

FWIW, I don't necessarily disagree with you in this case. I'm just skeptical that your blanket statement holds up.

[Pink Freud]

These offensive tweets should cause her to be ostracized, but the movie should be judged on its own merits. As such, it is an interesting attempt at something different and, while not worthy of a Best Picture Oscar, is worth seeing.

I believe art should be judged for what it is, not for the personal life of those involved in its making. I can appreciate the greatness of Woody Allen and Roman Polanski, for example, while condemning their misdeeds.

Count me among the latter. Once the opening credits roll for "Midnight In Paris"; "Annie Hall"; "Crimes and Misdemeanors", or "Radio Days", I don't care one whit about Woody's personal life. Likewise with Roman Polanski and "Chinatown"; "The Ghost Writer"; "Rosemary's Baby", and I hope to soon (finally) see "The Pianist".

[abuxb]

Never fear, Clark, you're safe from further outrages - The EP Train has jumped the tracks :

Oscar season can experience dramatic swings, but rarely has a celebrated film gone into free fall as quickly as “Emilia Pérez.”

Everything seemed to be going right for Netflix’s Spanish-language musical about drug violence, gender transition and much, much more — at least when Oscar nominations were announced on Jan. 23.

Celebrated at Cannes and fresh off a best motion picture (musical or comedy) win at the Golden Globes, French directing legend Jacques Audiard’s film received 13 Oscar nominations, a record for a non-English-language film and one short of the overall record for any film (just behind “All About Eve,” “Titanic” and “La La Land”).

Then, on Jan. 30, journalist Sarah Hagi resurfaced an archive of racist, Islamophobic tweets from the film’s star, Karla Sofía Gascón — who had just become the first openly transgender performer to be nominated for an Oscar. An uproar was immediate. In response, Gascon has defended herself, at length, in social media posts and interviews that she reportedly did not coordinate with the public relations team behind “Emilia Pérez.” In a highly unusual development, Netflix is now promoting the movie to Oscar voters not only without its lead — who plays the title character — but without even her name or image. It’s become an “Emilia Pérez” Oscar campaign without Emilia Pérez....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertai ... on-oscars/

These offensive tweets should cause her to be ostracized, but the movie should be judged on its own merits. As such, it is an interesting attempt at something different and, while not worthy of a Best Picture Oscar, is worth seeing.

I believe art should be judged for what it is, not for the personal life of those involved in its making. I can appreciate the greatness of Woody Allen and Roman Polanski, for example, while condemning their misdeeds.

Do you still watch Mel Gibson act and direct as well?

Is there anything an artist could do that would make you not want to consume their art?

FWIW, I don't necessarily disagree with you in this case. I'm just skeptical that your blanket statement holds up.

I would see a Mel Gibson film if he were ever to make one worth seeing.

Whatever an artist does in their private life has no bearing on the quality, or the lack thereof, of their art. If Hitler had been a decent painter, I could admire his work while condemning him.

I don't speak for anyone else, but for me, the quality of the work is all that matters.

[MikoTython]

It can get complicated though. Someone like Leni Riefenstahl, who was sponsored by the Nazi inner circle, who actually used concentration camp inmates as extras, does her work get a pass ?

I guess in the end, it doesn't matter. The work stands on its own merit. But even so, I understand people for boycotting artists whose characters/actions they deplore, even though I'm not willing to ignore art on any peripheral basis. There is a place for social approbation, it exacts a certain price for bad behavior, by general standards, makes those standards clearer.

[BarkCampbell]

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Do you still watch Mel Gibson act and direct as well?

Is there anything an artist could do that would make you not want to consume their art?

FWIW, I don't necessarily disagree with you in this case. I'm just skeptical that your blanket statement holds up.
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Apocalypto was excellent. Hacksaw Ridge was very good, too. Haven't seen Flight Risk yet, but I'll give it a shot. Gonna guess the mystery villian is the one w the biggest nose, though.

[Bighorn66]

Never fear, Clark, you're safe from further outrages - The EP Train has jumped the tracks :

Oscar season can experience dramatic swings, but rarely has a celebrated film gone into free fall as quickly as “Emilia Pérez.”

Everything seemed to be going right for Netflix’s Spanish-language musical about drug violence, gender transition and much, much more — at least when Oscar nominations were announced on Jan. 23.

Celebrated at Cannes and fresh off a best motion picture (musical or comedy) win at the Golden Globes, French directing legend Jacques Audiard’s film received 13 Oscar nominations, a record for a non-English-language film and one short of the overall record for any film (just behind “All About Eve,” “Titanic” and “La La Land”).

Then, on Jan. 30, journalist Sarah Hagi resurfaced an archive of racist, Islamophobic tweets from the film’s star, Karla Sofía Gascón — who had just become the first openly transgender performer to be nominated for an Oscar. An uproar was immediate. In response, Gascon has defended herself, at length, in social media posts and interviews that she reportedly did not coordinate with the public relations team behind “Emilia Pérez.” In a highly unusual development, Netflix is now promoting the movie to Oscar voters not only without its lead — who plays the title character — but without even her name or image. It’s become an “Emilia Pérez” Oscar campaign without Emilia Pérez....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertai ... on-oscars/

These offensive tweets should cause her to be ostracized, but the movie should be judged on its own merits. As such, it is an interesting attempt at something different and, while not worthy of a Best Picture Oscar, is worth seeing.

I believe art should be judged for what it is, not for the personal life of those involved in its making. I can appreciate the greatness of Woody Allen and Roman Polanski, for example, while condemning their misdeeds.

Do you still watch Mel Gibson act and direct as well?

Is there anything an artist could do that would make you not want to consume their art?

FWIW, I don't necessarily disagree with you in this case. I'm just skeptical that your blanket statement holds up.

I would see a Mel Gibson film if he were ever to make one worth seeing.

Whatever an artist does in their private life has no bearing on the quality, or the lack thereof, of their art. If Hitler had been a decent painter, I could admire his work while condemning him.

I don't speak for anyone else, but for me, the quality of the work is all that matters.

Even if they besmirched George Floyd?

[abuxb]

Never fear, Clark, you're safe from further outrages - The EP Train has jumped the tracks :

Oscar season can experience dramatic swings, but rarely has a celebrated film gone into free fall as quickly as “Emilia Pérez.”

Everything seemed to be going right for Netflix’s Spanish-language musical about drug violence, gender transition and much, much more — at least when Oscar nominations were announced on Jan. 23.

Celebrated at Cannes and fresh off a best motion picture (musical or comedy) win at the Golden Globes, French directing legend Jacques Audiard’s film received 13 Oscar nominations, a record for a non-English-language film and one short of the overall record for any film (just behind “All About Eve,” “Titanic” and “La La Land”).

Then, on Jan. 30, journalist Sarah Hagi resurfaced an archive of racist, Islamophobic tweets from the film’s star, Karla Sofía Gascón — who had just become the first openly transgender performer to be nominated for an Oscar. An uproar was immediate. In response, Gascon has defended herself, at length, in social media posts and interviews that she reportedly did not coordinate with the public relations team behind “Emilia Pérez.” In a highly unusual development, Netflix is now promoting the movie to Oscar voters not only without its lead — who plays the title character — but without even her name or image. It’s become an “Emilia Pérez” Oscar campaign without Emilia Pérez....
https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertai ... on-oscars/

These offensive tweets should cause her to be ostracized, but the movie should be judged on its own merits. As such, it is an interesting attempt at something different and, while not worthy of a Best Picture Oscar, is worth seeing.

I believe art should be judged for what it is, not for the personal life of those involved in its making. I can appreciate the greatness of Woody Allen and Roman Polanski, for example, while condemning their misdeeds.

Do you still watch Mel Gibson act and direct as well?

Is there anything an artist could do that would make you not want to consume their art?

FWIW, I don't necessarily disagree with you in this case. I'm just skeptical that your blanket statement holds up.

I would see a Mel Gibson film if he were ever to make one worth seeing.

Whatever an artist does in their private life has no bearing on the quality, or the lack thereof, of their art. If Hitler had been a decent painter, I could admire his work while condemning him.

I don't speak for anyone else, but for me, the quality of the work is all that matters.

Even if they besmirched George Floyd?

As I wrote above, the quality of the work is all that matters.