The Fowler waste looks even WORSE than I thought

[Sudsy 11]

That era with John Davidson in charge was when the Checketts Group owned the team. JD did a good job with the rebuild considering the circumstances. I hated every day Checketts owned the team. He was asked day 1 if he was committed to keeping the team in St. Louis and refused to answer the question. Checketts had no loyalty to St. Louis. Thankfully, the current local group headed by Stillman bought the team from Checketts. This group is willing to spend to the cap to compete, brought a Cup to St. Louis and is loyal to the city. I'm not going to complain if they don't want to do a full rebuild.

[neverchange27]

Fowler has been very good as a Blue. Ducks are retaining salary. The Blues could trade him at the deadline and get a 2nd back. He is also signed for next year, so the same circumstances would apply if the Blues keep him for next year. Not seeing much downside unless he gets hurt or his play deteriorates.

You and DawgDad get it.

And for those who want to blow up the roster, you apparently did not live through the Davidson years.

I agree w you on Fowler. But living through the Davidson years got us the building blocks for the eventual Cup. It’s almost a necessity to get a few top picks and then it takes a few years for them to mature. The current strategy in all likelihood will lead to prolonged mediocrity

Guys like McDavid, Barkov, Eichel, Nate … true studs….takes them many years…and heartbreaks.

But Dvorsky Jimmy and Thomas are gonna compete in 3 years.

Mhm

Yep

Mc David doesn't have a Cup.

Neither do you dummy. Were you one game away like one of the best NHLers?

[hockey jedi]

Sudsy, I believe you bring up an interesting point. When Army was in Dallas, they never did a full rebuild after Modano and they have continued to be competitive. Also, I believe a full rebuild is a scummy thing to do to the fans.

[BalotelliMassive]

The point is drafting high picks doesn’t guarantee you a Cup but almost EVERY cup winner (if not every single one) has top picks that have been through battles/losses before they break through.

In other words, it’s not a guarantee but it sure seems like a necessity. And it takes substantial time in the oven

A proper tank rebuild needs multiple high first round picks and a lot of luck. Kyle Davidson imo has done a great job - they have multiple first and second round picks for the last three drafts....same story for 2025.

You think DA would allow a “tank rebuild”? lol. The organization likes fan money far too much.

No...I don't. Chicago fans have been insufferable and they are supposed to be used to terrible teams. St Louis wouldn't take it at this point....not with how the Cardinals are being run as the other main sports option in this city.

[neverchange27]

Sudsy, I believe you bring up an interesting point. When Army was in Dallas, they never did a full rebuild after Modano and they have continued to be competitive. Also, I believe a full rebuild is a scummy thing to do to the fans.

Yeah. Being disingenuous and dissembling is kind of scummy too. Oh wait……. lol!

[BalotelliMassive]

But it's not impossible. For all the talk lamenting the lack of a game breaker, even a Bedard is no guarantee - having gone from generational projections to getting passed up by Celebrini this year on many rankings...

He's doing just fine:

[neverchange27]

Bluesers on here demonstrating clear signs of Stockholm Syndrome. It saddens. Help is available.

[neverchange27]

Keep abusing them. It only makes them more avid Blues fans. lol!!

[BigAL2]

They should keep him and try and move Faulk in summer…if anything

Good idea (I doubt anyone takes him though)

[theograce]

They should keep him and try and move Faulk in summer…if anything

Good idea (I doubt anyone takes him though)

Might have to retain some/creative but maybe. That’s the route I’d go

[TAFKAP]

I mean this year is going to tie the Davidson years for playoffs missed in a row (most consecutive in franchise history) if we’re going to talk about “at least we’re not living through the Davidson years”. And we came out of that with significantly better top end talent (we can debate Petro’s talent/value til the cows come home) . The guys they’ve drafted seem like great 2nd line/2nd pairing guys but that won’t get you to the next level.

Theres more than one way to skin a cat I agree, but I’m not seeing the light right now

The "Davidson Years of 3 straight missed playoffs" is actually a misnomer, not trying to be a dick. The ONLY 3 years straight without playoffs were the 2005-2006 season to 2007-2008. JD was named President in June of 2006. Looking at that streak though is two VERY different pictures. Assuming we miss the playoffs (and I'm not calling it yet).

2005-2006 57 Points
2006-2007 81 Points
2008-2009 79 Points

2022-2023 81 Points
2023-2024 92 Points
2024-2025 TBD

[neverchange27]

Distinction without a difference.

Take your Ativan.

[son_of_foolsgold]

Would you rather be sending out Kessel or Perunovich for the amount of minutes that Fowler has logged since getting here.

Absolutely! It is better to miss the playoffs with 60 pts than 85.

[Old_Goat]

Fowler was a mistake. Not that he doesn't make the Blues better because he does. He just wasn't going to get us into the playoffs. So we've given up a decent future asset but more importantly stops us from getting better talent in this year's draft and a lighting bolt of a chance of a top 3 pick.

Ownership needs to get serious about rebuilding
This middle road is the path to longer term pain than accepting a couple years of top 10 picks.

What decent future asset?
We didn’t give up a top prospect or a first. A second is a 50/50 prop at best, and even if it worked out, how long before that guy is even here?

Correct...for example, Philip McRae and Perunovich were both 2nd-Rounders. And again, we do not pay all of Fowler's salary next year either. Fowler is an asset, not a problem.

[SameOldBlues]

Fowler was a mistake. Not that he doesn't make the Blues better because he does. He just wasn't going to get us into the playoffs. So we've given up a decent future asset but more importantly stops us from getting better talent in this year's draft and a lighting bolt of a chance of a top 3 pick.

Ownership needs to get serious about rebuilding
This middle road is the path to longer term pain than accepting a couple years of top 10 picks.

What decent future asset?
We didn’t give up a top prospect or a first. A second is a 50/50 prop at best, and even if it worked out, how long before that guy is even here?

Correct...for example, Philip McRae and Perunovich were both 2nd-Rounders. And again, we do not pay all of Fowler's salary next year either. Fowler is an asset, not a problem.

For example, the sequel: Jake Allen, David Backes, Joel Edmunson, Ivan Barbashev, Vince Dunn, and Jordan Kyrou were also 2nd rounders…so your red herring trying to not so slyly claim that 2nd rounders have no value is completely disingenuous.

[neverchange27]

Fowler was a mistake. Not that he doesn't make the Blues better because he does. He just wasn't going to get us into the playoffs. So we've given up a decent future asset but more importantly stops us from getting better talent in this year's draft and a lighting bolt of a chance of a top 3 pick.

Ownership needs to get serious about rebuilding
This middle road is the path to longer term pain than accepting a couple years of top 10 picks.

What decent future asset?
We didn’t give up a top prospect or a first. A second is a 50/50 prop at best, and even if it worked out, how long before that guy is even here?

Correct...for example, Philip McRae and Perunovich were both 2nd-Rounders. And again, we do not pay all of Fowler's salary next year either. Fowler is an asset, not a problem.

For example, the sequel: Jake Allen, David Backes, Joel Edmunson, Ivan Barbashev, Vince Dunn, and Jordan Kyrou were also 2nd rounders…so your red herring trying to not so slyly claim that 2nd rounders have no value is completely disingenuous.

Stockholm Blues fans lie.