The Fowler waste looks even WORSE than I thought

[MiamiLaw]

Fowler has been very good as a Blue. Ducks are retaining salary. The Blues could trade him at the deadline and get a 2nd back. He is also signed for next year, so the same circumstances would apply if the Blues keep him for next year. Not seeing much downside unless he gets hurt or his play deteriorates.

You and DawgDad get it.

And for those who want to blow up the roster, you apparently did not live through the Davidson years.

I agree w you on Fowler. But living through the Davidson years got us the building blocks for the eventual Cup. It’s almost a necessity to get a few top picks and then it takes a few years for them to mature. The current strategy in all likelihood will lead to prolonged mediocrity

Guys like McDavid, Barkov, Eichel, Nate … true studs….takes them many years…and heartbreaks.

But Dvorsky Jimmy and Thomas are gonna compete in 3 years.

Mhm

Yep

[theograce]

Fowler has been very good as a Blue. Ducks are retaining salary. The Blues could trade him at the deadline and get a 2nd back. He is also signed for next year, so the same circumstances would apply if the Blues keep him for next year. Not seeing much downside unless he gets hurt or his play deteriorates.

You and DawgDad get it.

And for those who want to blow up the roster, you apparently did not live through the Davidson years.

I agree w you on Fowler. But living through the Davidson years got us the building blocks for the eventual Cup. It’s almost a necessity to get a few top picks and then it takes a few years for them to mature. The current strategy in all likelihood will lead to prolonged mediocrity

Guys like McDavid, Barkov, Eichel, Nate … true studs….takes them many years…and heartbreaks.

But Dvorsky Jimmy and Thomas are gonna compete in 3 years.

Mhm

Yep

People here wetting themselves over a Broberg.

It’s ridiculous

[TAFKAP]

Fowler has been very good as a Blue. Ducks are retaining salary. The Blues could trade him at the deadline and get a 2nd back. He is also signed for next year, so the same circumstances would apply if the Blues keep him for next year. Not seeing much downside unless he gets hurt or his play deteriorates.

You and DawgDad get it.

And for those who want to blow up the roster, you apparently did not live through the Davidson years.

I agree w you on Fowler. But living through the Davidson years got us the building blocks for the eventual Cup. It’s almost a necessity to get a few top picks and then it takes a few years for them to mature. The current strategy in all likelihood will lead to prolonged mediocrity

Guys like McDavid, Barkov, Eichel, Nate … true studs….takes them many years…and heartbreaks.

But Dvorsky Jimmy and Thomas are gonna compete in 3 years.

Mhm

Yep

Mc David doesn't have a Cup.

[MiamiLaw]

Fowler has been very good as a Blue. Ducks are retaining salary. The Blues could trade him at the deadline and get a 2nd back. He is also signed for next year, so the same circumstances would apply if the Blues keep him for next year. Not seeing much downside unless he gets hurt or his play deteriorates.

You and DawgDad get it.

And for those who want to blow up the roster, you apparently did not live through the Davidson years.

I agree w you on Fowler. But living through the Davidson years got us the building blocks for the eventual Cup. It’s almost a necessity to get a few top picks and then it takes a few years for them to mature. The current strategy in all likelihood will lead to prolonged mediocrity

Guys like McDavid, Barkov, Eichel, Nate … true studs….takes them many years…and heartbreaks.

But Dvorsky Jimmy and Thomas are gonna compete in 3 years.

Mhm

Yep

Mc David doesn't have a Cup.

Your point?

[theograce]

Fowler has been very good as a Blue. Ducks are retaining salary. The Blues could trade him at the deadline and get a 2nd back. He is also signed for next year, so the same circumstances would apply if the Blues keep him for next year. Not seeing much downside unless he gets hurt or his play deteriorates.

You and DawgDad get it.

And for those who want to blow up the roster, you apparently did not live through the Davidson years.

I agree w you on Fowler. But living through the Davidson years got us the building blocks for the eventual Cup. It’s almost a necessity to get a few top picks and then it takes a few years for them to mature. The current strategy in all likelihood will lead to prolonged mediocrity

Guys like McDavid, Barkov, Eichel, Nate … true studs….takes them many years…and heartbreaks.

But Dvorsky Jimmy and Thomas are gonna compete in 3 years.

Mhm

Yep

Mc David doesn't have a Cup.

One game away…more than the Blues ever accomplished in their history minus one year. Year before that real good too. This year…another chance.

Sucks being him and their fans

[MiamiLaw]

The point is drafting high picks doesn’t guarantee you a Cup but almost EVERY cup winner (if not every single one) has top picks that have been through battles/losses before they break through.

In other words, it’s not a guarantee but it sure seems like a necessity. And it takes substantial time in the oven

[neverchange27]

I told most of you fools what a stupid move it was to waste future assets on Fowler. Ever since that 1000th game ceremony
he has been terrible, and he hasn't prevented the Blues from falling hopelessly out of the playoff picture.

So tell me, do you regret it now? Army should.

There is no regret for that trade at all.

Would you rather be sending out Kessel or Perunovich for the amount of minutes that Fowler has logged since getting here. I know I wouldn't, and to my knowledge Fowler has put up a decent amount of goals and points since getting here as well.

Fowler is signed also through next season on a decent contract with what the Ducks are picking up.

If the OP were serious about valuing futures, and not just trying to be a miserable troll, they'd understand that Fowler is worth way more than what Army paid. That means if the Blues decide they're not a playoff team this year, they can sell him for more precious futures than they paid.

Army saw Anaheim in a pickle and took full advantage, paying pennies on the dollar. If Army puts Fowler on the market this deadline, a first isn't out of the question - which defender rumored to be on the market would you rather add as a contender? Provorov?

You def are the new form nut-hugger. Predictable, sanctimonious and dumb as rocks.

What's the going rate on a defender with 1 year remaining at 4M cap hit who plays 22 min a night of plus hockey on a team with a minus goal differential, and 13pts in 20 games?

Do you seriously think Army couldn't get a 2nd back if he put Fowler on the market today?

Again, which defender would make a bigger impact at the deadline?

You miss and ignore the bigger picture and the lies. Oddball lol

[a smell of green grass]

The point is drafting high picks doesn’t guarantee you a Cup but almost EVERY cup winner (if not every single one) has top picks that have been through battles/losses before they break through.

In other words, it’s not a guarantee but it sure seems like a necessity. And it takes substantial time in the oven

+1

[a smell of green grass]

https://thewincolumn.ca/2023/10/23/brea ... selection/

This article sums up why the Blues are where they are, and why they will forever stay middle of the pack. They will be the league's best team in the final 3 weeks of the regular season when the ice is melting.

Go Blues. Make the playoffs and get dog-walked again.

[BalotelliMassive]

The point is drafting high picks doesn’t guarantee you a Cup but almost EVERY cup winner (if not every single one) has top picks that have been through battles/losses before they break through.

In other words, it’s not a guarantee but it sure seems like a necessity. And it takes substantial time in the oven

A proper tank rebuild needs multiple high first round picks and a lot of luck. Kyle Davidson imo has done a great job - they have multiple first and second round picks for the last three drafts....same story for 2025.

[a smell of green grass]

https://thewincolumn.ca/2023/10/23/brea ... selection/

Sorry. Here is correct URL

[Army's Mom]

Fowler has been very good as a Blue. Ducks are retaining salary. The Blues could trade him at the deadline and get a 2nd back. He is also signed for next year, so the same circumstances would apply if the Blues keep him for next year. Not seeing much downside unless he gets hurt or his play deteriorates.

You and DawgDad get it.

And for those who want to blow up the roster, you apparently did not live through the Davidson years.

I agree w you on Fowler. But living through the Davidson years got us the building blocks for the eventual Cup. It’s almost a necessity to get a few top picks and then it takes a few years for them to mature. The current strategy in all likelihood will lead to prolonged mediocrity

Two or three years ago, when they were shopping Tarasenko and O'Reilly, I was right there calling for the team to tank and get a top 5 pick. And I was pretty disappointed we had to settle for #10, as I wasn't sure ownership would ever really embrace a more dramatic, full-scale tank. That certainly seems like the best draft pick we will see during this tear-down and rebuild cycle.

I'm not as convinced we're stuck in no-man's land, though. I mean, the Blues built a Cup winner on the strength of their depth and game plan. It didn't require a top 5 pick (Petro was obviously 4OA, but he wasn't even the most important defenseman on that team). We rolled three solid lines that could contain the opposition and chip in regular offense, and a fourth line that was elite in terms of generating momentum while also playing responsibly. And we had a ridiculously hot goaltender.

That formula can work again. The key is to not miss on the extra draft picks we've stockpiled in the first and second rounds and hit on a few more lower round picks. So far, things seem to be working out. Snuggerud and Dvorsky should be able to step into middle six roles within two years. Add in Stenberg, Lindstein, and Jiricek, and we could have a very solid top 9 and top 4 without any game breakers. But if Binner is still capable of getting hot when it matters most, and if some other picks add depth on the bottom lines and pairings, we'll have another team that's greater than the sum of its parts.

Holloway-Thomas-Kyrou
Neighbours-Dvorsky-Snuggerud
Bolduc-Stenberg-Buchy
Walker-Schenn-Torp

Broberg-Parayko
Fowler-Jiricek
Lindstein-Kessel
Tucker

Binner
Hofer

It's a lot of "ifs," and nothing is guaranteed. One top line talent could add so much of a margin of error, something that seems razor thin now. But it's not impossible. For all the talk lamenting the lack of a game breaker, even a Bedard is no guarantee - having gone from generational projections to getting passed up by Celebrini this year on many rankings...

[neverchange27]

The point is drafting high picks doesn’t guarantee you a Cup but almost EVERY cup winner (if not every single one) has top picks that have been through battles/losses before they break through.

In other words, it’s not a guarantee but it sure seems like a necessity. And it takes substantial time in the oven

A proper tank rebuild needs multiple high first round picks and a lot of luck. Kyle Davidson imo has done a great job - they have multiple first and second round picks for the last three drafts....same story for 2025.

You think DA would allow a “tank rebuild”? lol. The organization likes fan money far too much.

[theograce]

Fowler has been very good as a Blue. Ducks are retaining salary. The Blues could trade him at the deadline and get a 2nd back. He is also signed for next year, so the same circumstances would apply if the Blues keep him for next year. Not seeing much downside unless he gets hurt or his play deteriorates.

You and DawgDad get it.

And for those who want to blow up the roster, you apparently did not live through the Davidson years.

I agree w you on Fowler. But living through the Davidson years got us the building blocks for the eventual Cup. It’s almost a necessity to get a few top picks and then it takes a few years for them to mature. The current strategy in all likelihood will lead to prolonged mediocrity

Two or three years ago, when they were shopping Tarasenko and O'Reilly, I was right there calling for the team to tank and get a top 5 pick. And I was pretty disappointed we had to settle for #10, as I wasn't sure ownership would ever really embrace a more dramatic, full-scale tank. That certainly seems like the best draft pick we will see during this tear-down and rebuild cycle.

I'm not as convinced we're stuck in no-man's land, though. I mean, the Blues built a Cup winner on the strength of their depth and game plan. It didn't require a top 5 pick (Petro was obviously 4OA, but he wasn't even the most important defenseman on that team). We rolled three solid lines that could contain the opposition and chip in regular offense, and a fourth line that was elite in terms of generating momentum while also playing responsibly. And we had a ridiculously hot goaltender.

That formula can work again. The key is to not miss on the extra draft picks we've stockpiled in the first and second rounds and hit on a few more lower round picks. So far, things seem to be working out. Snuggerud and Dvorsky should be able to step into middle six roles within two years. Add in Stenberg, Lindstein, and Jiricek, and we could have a very solid top 9 and top 4 without any game breakers. But if Binner is still capable of getting hot when it matters most, and if some other picks add depth on the bottom lines and pairings, we'll have another team that's greater than the sum of its parts.

Holloway-Thomas-Kyrou
Neighbours-Dvorsky-Snuggerud
Bolduc-Stenberg-Buchy
Walker-Schenn-Torp

Broberg-Parayko
Fowler-Jiricek
Lindstein-Kessel
Tucker

Binner
Hofer

It's a lot of "ifs," and nothing is guaranteed. One top line talent could add so much of a margin of error, something that seems razor thin now. But it's not impossible. For all the talk lamenting the lack of a game breaker, even a Bedard is no guarantee - having gone from generational projections to getting passed up by Celebrini this year on many rankings...

6 guys in your top 9 and very limited to zero experience

And that backend ..

[MiamiLaw]

Fowler has been very good as a Blue. Ducks are retaining salary. The Blues could trade him at the deadline and get a 2nd back. He is also signed for next year, so the same circumstances would apply if the Blues keep him for next year. Not seeing much downside unless he gets hurt or his play deteriorates.

You and DawgDad get it.

And for those who want to blow up the roster, you apparently did not live through the Davidson years.

I agree w you on Fowler. But living through the Davidson years got us the building blocks for the eventual Cup. It’s almost a necessity to get a few top picks and then it takes a few years for them to mature. The current strategy in all likelihood will lead to prolonged mediocrity

Two or three years ago, when they were shopping Tarasenko and O'Reilly, I was right there calling for the team to tank and get a top 5 pick. And I was pretty disappointed we had to settle for #10, as I wasn't sure ownership would ever really embrace a more dramatic, full-scale tank. That certainly seems like the best draft pick we will see during this tear-down and rebuild cycle.

I'm not as convinced we're stuck in no-man's land, though. I mean, the Blues built a Cup winner on the strength of their depth and game plan. It didn't require a top 5 pick (Petro was obviously 4OA, but he wasn't even the most important defenseman on that team). We rolled three solid lines that could contain the opposition and chip in regular offense, and a fourth line that was elite in terms of generating momentum while also playing responsibly. And we had a ridiculously hot goaltender.

That formula can work again. The key is to not miss on the extra draft picks we've stockpiled in the first and second rounds and hit on a few more lower round picks. So far, things seem to be working out. Snuggerud and Dvorsky should be able to step into middle six roles within two years. Add in Stenberg, Lindstein, and Jiricek, and we could have a very solid top 9 and top 4 without any game breakers. But if Binner is still capable of getting hot when it matters most, and if some other picks add depth on the bottom lines and pairings, we'll have another team that's greater than the sum of its parts.

Holloway-Thomas-Kyrou
Neighbours-Dvorsky-Snuggerud
Bolduc-Stenberg-Buchy
Walker-Schenn-Torp

Broberg-Parayko
Fowler-Jiricek
Lindstein-Kessel
Tucker

Binner
Hofer

It's a lot of "ifs," and nothing is guaranteed. One top line talent could add so much of a margin of error, something that seems razor thin now. But it's not impossible. For all the talk lamenting the lack of a game breaker, even a Bedard is no guarantee - having gone from generational projections to getting passed up by Celebrini this year on many rankings...

I mean this year is going to tie the Davidson years for playoffs missed in a row (most consecutive in franchise history) if we’re going to talk about “at least we’re not living through the Davidson years”. And we came out of that with significantly better top end talent (we can debate Petro’s talent/value til the cows come home) . The guys they’ve drafted seem like great 2nd line/2nd pairing guys but that won’t get you to the next level.

Theres more than one way to skin a cat I agree, but I’m not seeing the light right now

[neverchange27]

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