mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑04 Sep 2024 10:42 am
What I think I would actually like to see, if possible, is setting your lineup on a Sunday night and having it lock for the next week (Monday-Sunday) and then getting to reset it again the next Sunday night, etc.
The daily, or even hourly, tinkering with lineups once you find out a couple of hours before game time whether a certain player is starting or not - if you are trying to optimize your use of games played/innings - became excessive throughout the season, IMO.
Then it will drive you crazy when you lose a player on Monday and they’re locked in for the week.
That’s a change for next season… and we could certainly discuss it. I don’t care for that format, but I’m open to anything. I tried to set up the pitching so it wouldn’t require daily maintenance - it could still use a little tweak. Otherwise, IMO it’s as time consuming as you make it. I don’t think you need to reach 162 games, or platoon optimal matchups at every position to stay competitive
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑04 Sep 2024 10:42 am
What I think I would actually like to see, if possible, is setting your lineup on a Sunday night and having it lock for the next week (Monday-Sunday) and then getting to reset it again the next Sunday night, etc.
The daily, or even hourly, tinkering with lineups once you find out a couple of hours before game time whether a certain player is starting or not - if you are trying to optimize your use of games played/innings - became excessive throughout the season, IMO.
Then it will drive you crazy when you lose a player on Monday and they’re locked in for the week.
That’s a change for next season… and we could certainly discuss it. I don’t care for that format, but I’m open to anything. I tried to set up the pitching so it wouldn’t require daily maintenance - it could still use a little tweak. Otherwise, IMO it’s as time consuming as you make it. I don’t think you need to reach 162 games, or platoon optimal matchups at every position to stay competitive
If everybody is locked for the week, then I'd argue that you could just drop the games played limits. Guys getting rested, injured, etc. is just as likely to hit anybody, so the playing field is even.
Of the top 4 teams in games played offensively, they are 1,3,5,8 in runs; 1,3,5,7 in HR; 1,2,3,4 in RBI and 2,5,7,12 in SB. So maximizing and playing a lot of games (and having those games be 4-5 PA starts) does seem to give you some advantage over the long run, IMO.
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑04 Sep 2024 10:42 am
What I think I would actually like to see, if possible, is setting your lineup on a Sunday night and having it lock for the next week (Monday-Sunday) and then getting to reset it again the next Sunday night, etc.
The daily, or even hourly, tinkering with lineups once you find out a couple of hours before game time whether a certain player is starting or not - if you are trying to optimize your use of games played/innings - became excessive throughout the season, IMO.
Then it will drive you crazy when you lose a player on Monday and they’re locked in for the week.
That’s a change for next season… and we could certainly discuss it. I don’t care for that format, but I’m open to anything. I tried to set up the pitching so it wouldn’t require daily maintenance - it could still use a little tweak. Otherwise, IMO it’s as time consuming as you make it. I don’t think you need to reach 162 games, or platoon optimal matchups at every position to stay competitive
If everybody is locked for the week, then I'd argue that you could just drop the games played limits. Guys getting rested, injured, etc. is just as likely to hit anybody, so the playing field is even.
Of the top 4 teams in games played offensively, they are 1,3,5,8 in runs; 1,3,5,7 in HR; 1,2,3,4 in RBI and 2,5,7,12 in SB. So maximizing and playing a lot of games (and having those games be 4-5 PA starts) does seem to give you some advantage over the long run, IMO.
It’s standard to allow daily roster moves in roto.
Yes… it gives an advantage to stay on top of one’s team. That doesn’t mean you need to agonize by the hour about who’s starting and who isn’t. IMO it’s pretty easy to approach the 162 limit (excluding catcher) simply by moving players in and out on their respective off days. There’s an option that you can choose that will automatically start all your active players for the week.
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑04 Sep 2024 10:42 am
What I think I would actually like to see, if possible, is setting your lineup on a Sunday night and having it lock for the next week (Monday-Sunday) and then getting to reset it again the next Sunday night, etc.
The daily, or even hourly, tinkering with lineups once you find out a couple of hours before game time whether a certain player is starting or not - if you are trying to optimize your use of games played/innings - became excessive throughout the season, IMO.
Then it will drive you crazy when you lose a player on Monday and they’re locked in for the week.
That’s a change for next season… and we could certainly discuss it. I don’t care for that format, but I’m open to anything. I tried to set up the pitching so it wouldn’t require daily maintenance - it could still use a little tweak. Otherwise, IMO it’s as time consuming as you make it. I don’t think you need to reach 162 games, or platoon optimal matchups at every position to stay competitive
If everybody is locked for the week, then I'd argue that you could just drop the games played limits. Guys getting rested, injured, etc. is just as likely to hit anybody, so the playing field is even.
Of the top 4 teams in games played offensively, they are 1,3,5,8 in runs; 1,3,5,7 in HR; 1,2,3,4 in RBI and 2,5,7,12 in SB. So maximizing and playing a lot of games (and having those games be 4-5 PA starts) does seem to give you some advantage over the long run, IMO.
It’s standard to allow daily roster moves in roto.
Yes… it gives an advantage to stay on top of one’s team. That doesn’t mean you need to agonize by the hour about who’s starting and who isn’t. IMO it’s pretty easy to approach the 162 limit (excluding catcher) simply by moving players in and out on their respective off days. There’s an option that you can choose that will automatically start all your active players for the week.
The first few leagues I was in you had to set and lock your roster Post Sunday night games for the week. Yes, injury on Monday hurt. Later adjusted to could place on DL and sub a bench player in at any time. If you had 1. Often required a free agent claim. And that didn't get settled till Sunday Post Games. Sucked. Lol
Daily roster management is the Ideal Way. Granted can't snooze on it. Lost at least 3 wins and stellar starts with my guy sitting on the bench cause I checked in too late. I know better. So shame on me
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑04 Sep 2024 10:42 am
What I think I would actually like to see, if possible, is setting your lineup on a Sunday night and having it lock for the next week (Monday-Sunday) and then getting to reset it again the next Sunday night, etc.
The daily, or even hourly, tinkering with lineups once you find out a couple of hours before game time whether a certain player is starting or not - if you are trying to optimize your use of games played/innings - became excessive throughout the season, IMO.
Then it will drive you crazy when you lose a player on Monday and they’re locked in for the week.
That’s a change for next season… and we could certainly discuss it. I don’t care for that format, but I’m open to anything. I tried to set up the pitching so it wouldn’t require daily maintenance - it could still use a little tweak. Otherwise, IMO it’s as time consuming as you make it. I don’t think you need to reach 162 games, or platoon optimal matchups at every position to stay competitive
If everybody is locked for the week, then I'd argue that you could just drop the games played limits. Guys getting rested, injured, etc. is just as likely to hit anybody, so the playing field is even.
Of the top 4 teams in games played offensively, they are 1,3,5,8 in runs; 1,3,5,7 in HR; 1,2,3,4 in RBI and 2,5,7,12 in SB. So maximizing and playing a lot of games (and having those games be 4-5 PA starts) does seem to give you some advantage over the long run, IMO.
It’s standard to allow daily roster moves in roto.
Yes… it gives an advantage to stay on top of one’s team. That doesn’t mean you need to agonize by the hour about who’s starting and who isn’t. IMO it’s pretty easy to approach the 162 limit (excluding catcher) simply by moving players in and out on their respective off days. There’s an option that you can choose that will automatically start all your active players for the week.
The first few leagues I was in you had to set and lock your roster Post Sunday night games for the week. Yes, injury on Monday hurt. Later adjusted to could place on DL and sub a bench player in at any time. If you had 1. Often required a free agent claim. And that didn't get settled till Sunday Post Games. Sucked. Lol
Daily roster management is the Ideal Way. Granted can't snooze on it. Lost at least 3 wins and stellar starts with my guy sitting on the bench cause I checked in too late. I know better. So shame on me
Yes… it’s also good to have the opportunity to plug in a bench player that has a 3 game series @COL or bench an SP that’s starting @COL, etc.
On weekdays, if you’re strapped for time, it only takes a minute around 5 PM to check who’s starting in all but the West coast games.
Reaching the IP limit was a little tricky if you’re routinely carrying 5 RP, but I thought if you had 7 “horses” and 3 bonafide closers, one could at least stay in the ballpark. Next year - I think the IP limit should be trimmed down a hair (maybe 50 IP), with the pitching slots expanded to 5 SP, 2 RP & 4 P… that should be a bit lower maintenance.
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑04 Sep 2024 10:42 am
What I think I would actually like to see, if possible, is setting your lineup on a Sunday night and having it lock for the next week (Monday-Sunday) and then getting to reset it again the next Sunday night, etc.
The daily, or even hourly, tinkering with lineups once you find out a couple of hours before game time whether a certain player is starting or not - if you are trying to optimize your use of games played/innings - became excessive throughout the season, IMO.
Then it will drive you crazy when you lose a player on Monday and they’re locked in for the week.
That’s a change for next season… and we could certainly discuss it. I don’t care for that format, but I’m open to anything. I tried to set up the pitching so it wouldn’t require daily maintenance - it could still use a little tweak. Otherwise, IMO it’s as time consuming as you make it. I don’t think you need to reach 162 games, or platoon optimal matchups at every position to stay competitive
I would be against this. Baseball is a daily game. In an ultra-competitive league like this, no way you want to lose that flexibility. In agreeing to join a league like this, you know the deal. Weekly sets are for 8 to 10 person head to heads where people aren’t as passionate.
As you stated, people who don’t want to set daily can just use the weekly set option.
Looks like it is going to be about the most uneventful end to a season.
- 16 pts. between 1st and 2nd
- 16.5 pts. between 2nd and 3rd
- 13.5 pts. between 3rd and 4th
- 8.5 pts. between 4th and 5th
- 5.5 pts. between 5th and 6th
- 5 pts. between 6th and 7th
- 8 pts. between 7th and 8th
DJ Davis wrote: ↑06 Sep 2024 20:36 pm
In an ultra-competitive league like this, no way you want to lose that flexibility.
I guess I would question whether the entire league is really "ultra-competitive." IMO, about half the league is "more competitive" and the other half "less competitive." Which may well be true for any league as large as 15 teams. You're going to have a hard time getting all 15 to grind it out on a daily basis for a full season.
Not surprisingly, of the Top 7 teams in total points, they are #1-#6 and #9 in games played and 7 of the Top 8 in IP (#1-#2, and #4-#8).
FWIW - I think going to a weekly set lineup would allow for all 15 teams to be more "evenly competitive" by making it less of grind for those who might be somewhat "less competitive."
The format is fine. There’s nothing wrong with it. I’m in three different leagues and three different formats. I’m first in two and ninth in one. I like the daily roster set. I set my lineup the night before, prior to going to bed. I spend about an hour or so a week on this.
I too have missed starts on last minute adjustments but that’s going to happen. I think the playing field is the same for everyone, it’s just about making the time. I do it at night because I know the days can be tougher sometimes.
Fantasy baseball is about making good decisions and injuries. Drafting Acuna early then losing him for the year is a tough thing to have happen.
Whatashame wrote: ↑21 Sep 2024 08:48 am
The format is fine. There’s nothing wrong with it. I’m in three different leagues and three different formats. I’m first in two and ninth in one. I like the daily roster set. I set my lineup the night before, prior to going to bed. I spend about an hour or so a week on this.
I too have missed starts on last minute adjustments but that’s going to happen. I think the playing field is the same for everyone, it’s just about making the time. I do it at night because I know the days can be tougher sometimes.
Fantasy baseball is about making good decisions and injuries. Drafting Acuna early then losing him for the year is a tough thing to have happen.
I certainly get from sort of the "purist's" perspective why the daily lineups, daily transactions seems to be in keeping with the overall intent.
I'm just suggesting that, as being new to it all, I can still see some advantage in dialing down the grind. I would note that I think there was some discussion as well regarding how we might turn down the amount of transactional "churn" by expanding rosters, changing roster compositions, etc. If you went to a weekly lineup set, you'd would only need to process waiver drop/add, trade, etc. transactions once a week (early on the day when rosters have to be set for the upcoming week). That would, IMO, even the playing field somewhat for those who are not going to hang on every injury, every callup, etc. on a daily basis to make moves throughout the season.
Maybe it is just a fluke that we have a 108 pt. margin between 1st and last, and maybe it is just a fluke that the race for 1st has been down to two for basically the last two months. I'm just saying what seems to me would potentially make the league more evenly competitive top to bottom next year.
Whatashame wrote: ↑21 Sep 2024 08:48 am
The format is fine. There’s nothing wrong with it. I’m in three different leagues and three different formats. I’m first in two and ninth in one. I like the daily roster set. I set my lineup the night before, prior to going to bed. I spend about an hour or so a week on this.
I too have missed starts on last minute adjustments but that’s going to happen. I think the playing field is the same for everyone, it’s just about making the time. I do it at night because I know the days can be tougher sometimes.
Fantasy baseball is about making good decisions and injuries. Drafting Acuna early then losing him for the year is a tough thing to have happen.
I certainly get from sort of the "purist's" perspective why the daily lineups, daily transactions seems to be in keeping with the overall intent.
I'm just suggesting that, as being new to it all, I can still see some advantage in dialing down the grind. I would note that I think there was some discussion as well regarding how we might turn down the amount of transactional "churn" by expanding rosters, changing roster compositions, etc. If you went to a weekly lineup set, you'd would only need to process waiver drop/add, trade, etc. transactions once a week (early on the day when rosters have to be set for the upcoming week). That would, IMO, even the playing field somewhat for those who are not going to hang on every injury, every callup, etc. on a daily basis to make moves throughout the season.
Maybe it is just a fluke that we have a 108 pt. margin between 1st and last, and maybe it is just a fluke that the race for 1st has been down to two for basically the last two months. I'm just saying what seems to me would potentially make the league more evenly competitive top to bottom next year.
We have such a big spread because 40% of the league wasn’t active - 6 of 15 managers did very little. Just look at total moves from 9th-15th place:
9 - ggnoobs: 45
10 - imadamnman: 27
12 - Booooyah: 27
13 - Dazepster: 27
14 - cardsrmyteam: 62, active after mid year takeover
15 - sdaltons: 14
Compared to top of standings:
1 - Whatashame: 94
2 - An Old Friend: 62
3 - DJ Davis: 59
4 - Quincy Varnish: 252
5 - Jeffy25: 116
6 - MattMitchell44: 88
10, 12, 13, 15 made as many moves combined as the guy who is going to win
Whatashame wrote: ↑21 Sep 2024 08:48 am
The format is fine. There’s nothing wrong with it. I’m in three different leagues and three different formats. I’m first in two and ninth in one. I like the daily roster set. I set my lineup the night before, prior to going to bed. I spend about an hour or so a week on this.
I too have missed starts on last minute adjustments but that’s going to happen. I think the playing field is the same for everyone, it’s just about making the time. I do it at night because I know the days can be tougher sometimes.
Fantasy baseball is about making good decisions and injuries. Drafting Acuna early then losing him for the year is a tough thing to have happen.
I certainly get from sort of the "purist's" perspective why the daily lineups, daily transactions seems to be in keeping with the overall intent.
I'm just suggesting that, as being new to it all, I can still see some advantage in dialing down the grind. I would note that I think there was some discussion as well regarding how we might turn down the amount of transactional "churn" by expanding rosters, changing roster compositions, etc. If you went to a weekly lineup set, you'd would only need to process waiver drop/add, trade, etc. transactions once a week (early on the day when rosters have to be set for the upcoming week). That would, IMO, even the playing field somewhat for those who are not going to hang on every injury, every callup, etc. on a daily basis to make moves throughout the season.
Maybe it is just a fluke that we have a 108 pt. margin between 1st and last, and maybe it is just a fluke that the race for 1st has been down to two for basically the last two months. I'm just saying what seems to me would potentially make the league more evenly competitive top to bottom next year.
We have such a big spread because 40% of the league wasn’t active - 6 of 15 managers did very little. Just look at total moves from 9th-15th place:
9 - ggnoobs: 45
10 - imadamnman: 27
12 - Booooyah: 27
13 - Dazepster: 27
14 - cardsrmyteam: 62, active after mid year takeover
15 - sdaltons: 14
Compared to top of standings:
1 - Whatashame: 94
2 - An Old Friend: 62
3 - DJ Davis: 59
4 - Quincy Varnish: 252
5 - Jeffy25: 116
6 - MattMitchell44: 88
10, 12, 13, 15 made as many moves combined as the guy who is going to win
Exactly - that's sort of my point. The people who made the most moves were generally the same as those who extracted the most "games played" and "innings pitched" from their rosters by making more and more lineup tweaks - and thus finished higher in total points.
The daily/hourly grind of starting lineup changes, waiver claims, etc., certainly favors those who are going to be "obsessively competitive" and try to optimize every move over six months. Unless you are going to be that "obsessively competitive," you're almost certainly not going to break into the top 5, 6, 7 by the end of the season.
So unless you have 15 managers who are all "obsessively competitive," you're always going to have a two-tiered outcome of "haves" and "have nots." I just don't think you're going to find 15 people who will all be "obsessively competitive" for six months.
So is there a way to make the league more accessible and put the "obsessively competitive" and the "more normally competitive" on a more even playing field?
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑21 Sep 2024 09:29 amI certainly get from sort of the "purist's" perspective why the daily lineups, daily transactions seems to be in keeping with the overall intent.
I'm just suggesting that, as being new to it all, I can still see some advantage in dialing down the grind. I would note that I think there was some discussion as well regarding how we might turn down the amount of transactional "churn" by expanding rosters, changing roster compositions, etc. If you went to a weekly lineup set, you'd would only need to process waiver drop/add, trade, etc. transactions once a week (early on the day when rosters have to be set for the upcoming week). That would, IMO, even the playing field somewhat for those who are not going to hang on every injury, every callup, etc. on a daily basis to make moves throughout the season.
Maybe it is just a fluke that we have a 108 pt. margin between 1st and last, and maybe it is just a fluke that the race for 1st has been down to two for basically the last two months. I'm just saying what seems to me would potentially make the league more evenly competitive top to bottom next year.
I think you’ll find it easier next year, now that you’re more accustomed to the format.
I think part of the discussion goes back to the rotisserie format. Maybe the people who are buried kind of lose interest in setting lineups every day? I don’t know, any of them can chime in if they want. In H-2-H, At least you have a chance to beat the person you’re playing that week.
And I’m not suggesting we change the format, rotisserie is fine. But I do prefer head to head generally.
But when I say an ultra competitive league, mainly, I mean, we found people in a baseball forum who are really into baseball. The roster construction is certainly more intense than the standard league, and everyone knew that going in.
I still think baseball is daily. It needs to be set daily. Obviously, it’s up the individual manager whether they want to do that or not. Anybody can set their whole lineup on a Sunday night, for instance, if they want, and not change it at all.
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑21 Sep 2024 09:29 amI certainly get from sort of the "purist's" perspective why the daily lineups, daily transactions seems to be in keeping with the overall intent.
I'm just suggesting that, as being new to it all, I can still see some advantage in dialing down the grind. I would note that I think there was some discussion as well regarding how we might turn down the amount of transactional "churn" by expanding rosters, changing roster compositions, etc. If you went to a weekly lineup set, you'd would only need to process waiver drop/add, trade, etc. transactions once a week (early on the day when rosters have to be set for the upcoming week). That would, IMO, even the playing field somewhat for those who are not going to hang on every injury, every callup, etc. on a daily basis to make moves throughout the season.
Maybe it is just a fluke that we have a 108 pt. margin between 1st and last, and maybe it is just a fluke that the race for 1st has been down to two for basically the last two months. I'm just saying what seems to me would potentially make the league more evenly competitive top to bottom next year.
I think you’ll find it easier next year, now that you’re more accustomed to the format.
Maybe. I will still grind it out as much as I care to one way or the other. I was probably moderate to high in terms of grinding it out this year, at least in terms of starting lineup/bench swaps, if not waiver wire pickups. Maybe that's enough to be competitive, maybe it isn't.
But for the half of the league that isn't going to be at least moderate to high in grinding out moves, IMO, they have no chance over the course of the season. So it's a 15-team league that is more like an effective ~8-team league.
