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[Quincy Varnish]

And now I've caught up and saw that ggnoobs wanted it cancelled. So we're good.

Except that the trade processed.

Did it feel weird to have to look up in the standings?

It was vetoed, ya noob.

[Quincy Varnish]

And now I've caught up and saw that ggnoobs wanted it cancelled. So we're good.

Except that the trade processed.

Edit - maybe I’m mistaken on the trade going through.

Did it feel weird to have to look up in the standings?

Keep editing. It was vetoed.

[Quincy Varnish]

I had questions, so I've entered a "no" vote at least for the time being. If ggnoobs provides positive indication that he still wants the trade to go through despite Casas' injury, I would be willing to let it go.

Yours may have been the decisive vote. The trade is vetoed, as of early this morning.

To clarify how the veto process currently works in this league - the “waiting” period is three FULL days. The trade in question was accepted sometime on Sunday afternoon, so it would not have been processed until early Thursday morning.

Yes, I think I was.

At first, I thought maybe it was offered and accepted after Casas was injured, so both parties were good with the conditions. I didn't want to be "that guy" in the league who vetoes trades when everybody else gets why they are going through.

I appreciate that temperament. I’ve been in FAR too many leagues where it becomes impossible for anyone to get a deal done. When a small group becomes trigger happy with the veto button, it can essentially destroy a league.

[Quincy Varnish]

I had questions, so I've entered a "no" vote at least for the time being. If ggnoobs provides positive indication that he still wants the trade to go through despite Casas' injury, I would be willing to let it go.

Yours may have been the decisive vote. The trade is vetoed, as of early this morning.

To clarify how the veto process currently works in this league - the “waiting” period is three FULL days. The trade in question was accepted sometime on Sunday afternoon, so it would not have been processed until early Thursday morning.

Yes, I think I was.

At first, I thought maybe it was offered and accepted after Casas was injured, so both parties were good with the conditions. I didn't want to be "that guy" in the league who vetoes trades when everybody else gets why they are going through.

I appreciate that temperament. I’ve been in FAR too many leagues where it becomes impossible for anyone to get a deal done. When a small group becomes trigger happy with the veto button, it can essentially destroy a league.

Would you say that it is a reasonable point of order if:

1) a trade is accepted on Monday
2) one of players involved in the trade is injured on Tuesday
3) the owner who would be receiving the injured player subsequently asks the other owners in the league to veto the trade before it goes through because the trade is no longer fair, through no fault of either owner involved?

Understand that is apparently NOT what happened in this case, but asking for future reference>

Well, it is close to what happened. ‘ggnoobs’ did suggest the trade be vetoed, late last night. The problem with this particular trade - which you already understand, I believe - is that both players were healthy at the time of the initial proposal. One manager should have known of this offer within a day or two, but did not accept until HIS player was injured around a week after the initial proposal was made. This is a GLARING example of why a trade should be vetoed - if it had not been, assuming there was not any communication from Jeffy, there is a strong possibility I would have simply canceled the trade. Under all circumstances, I want the league to collectively make such decisions before my interference appears necessary. From the day this season began, I’ve had the hope to be nothing more but another competitor.

In the scenario you described, that approach is perfectly acceptable. All of us have the opportunity to suggest that a trade should be vetoed, for any reason… beyond the managers involved in said trade. ‘Fairness’ is of importance to everyone.

So here’s a hypothetical - you agree to trade me Ronald Acuña for Yamamoto, Spencer Steer & Austin Riley. (I’m not doin’ that, so calm down). After the trade is accepted, Acuña sprains his ankle and is expected to miss 2 months. I am going to yell and scream that the trade should be vetoed until I’m blue in the face. We have good people in this league (so that probably wouldn’t be needed) but you can count on it

[Quincy Varnish]

I finally shuffled some of my IL guys around and then like 4 more guys went on the IL

FWIW it looks like you’re still a man under the max 26

[Quincy Varnish]

Understood.

I think my point here is, since all of us don't have perfect knowledge of when a trade was offered and accepted, and what was known or unknown, or if something happens in the three day window which could call for it to be voided, it is the responsibility of the manager who now does not want the trade to go through to yell and scream so that enough of us know what it going on and will vote to void it before it goes through.

We do have near-perfect knowledge of when a trade is accepted, b/c the entire league should be receiving notifications and/or email when any trade is accepted… I believe that happens within minutes.

The pearl of unknown truth is when the trade was offered. We only have accounts from the managers involved to rely upon. If there is a similar issue to the recent vetoed trade, and it became more contentious - a manager could provide “proof” of when they received the trade offer, via a screenshot of a time-stamped email.

I agree with your main point, but I would hope that most of our managers remain engaged enough to make their own judgement calls - all league trades are visible on our individual team pages, regardless of our personal involvement. So, hopefully there should not be much yelling and screaming needed. But there are multiple platforms for such screaming…

[Quincy Varnish]

Yeah, for example in the case in point, I just read the report today that Casas will be out "a significant length of time." That might lead me to believe the trade was questionable.

But if Casas were expected to just be out the 10 days, then I would rationalize that - even knowing that ahead of time - perhaps both managers felt the trade was fair and wanted to get it done even though Casas would be out a few days.

That sort of "grey area" is where it would help if the manager who now did not want the trade to go through would alert us to that so we don't have to research the significance, or not, of Casas' injury to make our own call. That's all I'm suggesting.

Agreed. I hoped for a high level of communication in this league. Overall, I think we’re probably doing better than most… though perhaps not for a private league. It’s not as though we all have each other’s phone numbers. Some managers do not appear to be coming here on a daily basis, and others may not aware of the in-app chat (or do not utilize it). There are greater challenges than the average league of a bunch of co-workers, or friends & family.

Somehow, nobody truly understands my deep desire to acquire a shortstop, and my willingness to participate in lengthy negations to arrive on an agreement that would help both parties involved. WAHH!! It’s almost as though people have something better to do with their time? Preposterous!

[Quincy Varnish]

You can make me an offer for Seager - but it better start with either Ryan or Yamamoto and go up from there.

I “can”?

Thanks, Dad!

[Quincy Varnish]

But if Casas were expected to just be out the 10 days, then I would rationalize that - even knowing that ahead of time - perhaps both managers felt the trade was fair and wanted to get it done even though Casas would be out a few days.

This conversation gets more interesting if the league collectively scrutinizes the fairness of every trade, generally disregarding the evaluations and strategy of the specific managers involved.

If the Casas/Finnegan trade is put through a ringer, IMO it was terribly imbalanced when both players were healthy. Finnegan is an okay pitcher, but he’s nearly the worst option amongst closers that have a shade of job security… and that security is questionable, as ‘ggnoobs’ was already rostering the Nats’ next pitcher down on the depth chart.

Closers aren’t that valuable, but saves are. The quality of Finnegan’s -50 innings this year is virtually meaningless in a pool of 1550 IP. So IMO his only purpose is accumulating saves, and he pitches for one of the worst teams in the majors. He was their closer for the majority of last season, but went weeks without producing a single save.

So how is Finnegan’s value comparable to a healthy Triston Casas? It isn’t, and IMO the trade became more balanced when Casas fractured a rib.

Now do we want to make such evaluations of every single trade in this league? I hope not, because it’s any managers right to overpay for a glaring need on their team… and I’d rather not see our use of veto system interfere with that process.

[Quincy Varnish]

You can make me an offer for Seager - but it better start with either Ryan or Yamamoto and go up from there.

My desire to acquire a shortstop is being satisfied elsewhere.

Now I want a power-hitting outfielder.

You have only one such OF that could command the likes of Yamamoto, Ryan “and go up from there”.

Yamamoto
Ryan
Steele

They are available, if the price is right. I will also consider non-outfielders, as my primary concern is replacing the power of Hoskins with a higher-floor bat. Whomever is discussed, I need them to regularly bat 1-5 in their respective batting order and also have a high expected OBP.

It should be noted - this is an open announcement, for a reason. Acuña, OBO

[Quincy Varnish]

I'm patient and satisfied that my roster can pull through over the course of the season. So I'm not motivated to initiate any trade offers right now.

Best thing I’ve heard all day.

[An Old Friend]

I don't gather many folks that post here play fantasy baseball but wanted to get a feeler out for a league... Quincy and I have been talking about putting one together.

I know it's not for everyone. I've played for about 25 years and have two long-standing leagues running. We'd be looking probably for a 10-12 teamer pretty standard roto format through Yahoo.

If you're not interested in the league but want to chat fantasy strategy / keepers / draft prep, have at it.

I would be interested.

Hey man, you around? Haven't posted in a couple of weeks...

We are interested in you minding your team

At least replace Bieber, man.

[Quincy Varnish]

I'm patient and satisfied that my roster can pull through over the course of the season. So I'm not motivated to initiate any trade offers right now.

Best thing I’ve heard all day.

*shrugs*

Four of my top six draft picks (Acuna, Seager, Torres, and Hader) are WAY underperforming expectations, five of my top eight if I include Fairbanks. And only two of my top five SP (Peralta, Berrios) draft picks are healthy and performing. I don't expect that to last.

And I'm still in 2nd place.

Team mattmitch is doing very well, and I’m sure you’ll be in the top ranks of this league all season. But you can’t win your bucket of chicken if you ride out your draft w/o making a deal eventually, because it’s impossible to address major problems via waivers in such a deep league. And trust me, there will be major problems. Potentially complicating matters - you appear to overvalue your players as a result of your standing.

[Quincy Varnish]

We'll see. I've cut bait with lesser players who were marginal to begin with and replaced them. My middlish picks have been performing pretty well, so no need to move on from them for now. But my top picks, who are underperforming, I have to give until more than the end of April to get sorted out. Selling low on them now would be unadvisable.

The biggest thing, for the moment, is to be more choosy in who I allow my non-top SPs (Maeda, Brown, Allen, etc.) to make starts against.

If I were going to actively try to address anything, as noted previously, it would be starting pitching. But with the number of injured SPs, including my own, I can't see much opportunity to make a reasonable acquisition. I will limp along with Peralta, Berrios, Lodolo and a cast of ~4 other spot-starting SP until I can hopefully get Kelly and Cobb healthy in May.

Limp away, then

Peralta/Berrios are okay for a top 2, and all your SPs after that are fringy in a shallower league.

You definitely have the right idea about being choosy w/ your starts. I have Blackburn, but was not going to tempt fate by letting him pitch v. the Yankees at home.

That approach will eventually hurt you if you have to make such decisions w/ the majority of your SP. Somehow your love for K/9 flew out the window on draft day, and you may have ‘Fantasy Pros’ to thank for that. IMO you won’t be able to reach the innings limit without demolishing your ERA/WHIP, and reaching (or approaching) that limit is essential to maximize your K, W & QS.

The ‘high floor’ philosophy that you appear to be employing throughout your roster does not work with starting pitchers in fantasy ball. It’s fine with me if you want to spend another month or two learning that

[An Old Friend]

We'll see. I've cut bait with lesser players who were marginal to begin with and replaced them. My middlish picks have been performing pretty well, so no need to move on from them for now. But my top picks, who are underperforming, I have to give until more than the end of April to get sorted out. Selling low on them now would be unadvisable.

The biggest thing, for the moment, is to be more choosy in who I allow my non-top SPs (Maeda, Brown, Allen, etc.) to make starts against.

If I were going to actively try to address anything, as noted previously, it would be starting pitching. But with the number of injured SPs, including my own, I can't see much opportunity to make a reasonable acquisition. I will limp along with Peralta, Berrios, Lodolo and a cast of ~4 other spot-starting SP until I can hopefully get Kelly and Cobb healthy in May.

Limp away, then

Peralta/Berrios are okay for a top 2, and all your SPs after that are fringy in a shallower league.

You definitely have the right idea about being choosy w/ your starts. I have Blackburn, but was not going to tempt fate by letting him pitch v. the Yankees at home.

That approach will eventually hurt you if you have to make such decisions w/ the majority of your SP. Somehow your love for K/9 flew out the window on draft day, and you may have ‘Fantasy Pros’ to thank for that. IMO you won’t be able to reach the innings limit without demolishing your ERA/WHIP, and reaching (or approaching) that limit is essential to maximize your K, W & QS.

The ‘high floor’ philosophy that you appear to be employing throughout your roster does not work with starting pitchers in fantasy ball. It’s fine with me if you want to spend another month or two learning that

I'm about middle of the pack in K/9 right now.

The way the draft went, it felt like a reach to go for someone between Peralta and Kelly, so I took Hader and Fairbanks in there instead, and they've been awful.

I'll take Hader off your hands!

[Quincy Varnish]

We'll see. I've cut bait with lesser players who were marginal to begin with and replaced them. My middlish picks have been performing pretty well, so no need to move on from them for now. But my top picks, who are underperforming, I have to give until more than the end of April to get sorted out. Selling low on them now would be unadvisable.

The biggest thing, for the moment, is to be more choosy in who I allow my non-top SPs (Maeda, Brown, Allen, etc.) to make starts against.

If I were going to actively try to address anything, as noted previously, it would be starting pitching. But with the number of injured SPs, including my own, I can't see much opportunity to make a reasonable acquisition. I will limp along with Peralta, Berrios, Lodolo and a cast of ~4 other spot-starting SP until I can hopefully get Kelly and Cobb healthy in May.

Limp away, then

Peralta/Berrios are okay for a top 2, and all your SPs after that are fringy in a shallower league.

You definitely have the right idea about being choosy w/ your starts. I have Blackburn, but was not going to tempt fate by letting him pitch v. the Yankees at home.

That approach will eventually hurt you if you have to make such decisions w/ the majority of your SP. Somehow your love for K/9 flew out the window on draft day, and you may have ‘Fantasy Pros’ to thank for that. IMO you won’t be able to reach the innings limit without demolishing your ERA/WHIP, and reaching (or approaching) that limit is essential to maximize your K, W & QS.

The ‘high floor’ philosophy that you appear to be employing throughout your roster does not work with starting pitchers in fantasy ball. It’s fine with me if you want to spend another month or two learning that

I'm about middle of the pack in K/9 right now.

The way the draft went, it felt like a reach to go for someone between Peralta and Kelly, so I took Hader and Fairbanks in there instead, and they've been awful.

Yeah, that’s a rough break w/ Fairbanks going on the IL. Hader… IMO no closer is worth a high draft pick, but opinions vary.

You definitely have some underperforming players, but let’s not forget that O’Neill & Gurriel were playing like MVPs for a minute. Henderson, Berrios & Peralta are also outperforming expectations thus far. Acuña hasn’t been saintly as he was in ‘23, but he’s not hurting you.

The point I’m making is that when Gurriel, O’Neill & Henderson come back to earth, you have some underperforming assets to carry the freight when they do what they usually do. Not sure that’s the case w/ your pitching.