DJ Davis wrote: ↑15 Mar 2024 18:31 pm
I’m cool with the change. I thought waivers was how it was supposed to be. I grabbed a few players before that in FA, thinking maybe I misread the post here.
I would not be cool with me having to drop those players now. It is what it is.
I wouldn’t ask anyone to drop players. That would be terrible.
We only had a few transactions after everyone cleared waivers. My apologies for the change, but I think it’s set the way it was expected, and as I explained it. Yahoo does not make it clear what “standard” waiver mode entails, and I think it was a fair assumption on my part that it would function as all their public leagues.
All good, I understand, I appreciate you setting the league up.
But I am not on board with Dazepter’a idea of throwing everyone back. If he really wanted Scott and was looking at him, as I was, he had the opportunity to add him. As did I. He could have made a claim after the draft. After initial waivers cleared, it clearly said FA by anyone’s name. Fair game from that point until you changed the setting.
I did not make a claim on him as he was already placed on another team. On the same day I looked to place that claim. The 14th. Assumed he placed it the day before and I was a day late and dollar short. I have no idea as to what my waiver priority was so no idea if it actually harmed me or not.
But this has been going on Post Draft.
Have any others gone to place a claim and found that player had already been awarded that same day to another player?
I think if you had made a claim on Scott after the draft you would have him. Waivers cleared after the draft on March 13. No one claimed Scott. I actually had a claim in for Heaney, but then thought to myself, it probably isn’t worth the number one priority, not knowing if anyone else would try to get him.
So I waited until after waivers cleared. Then, I noticed people were free agents. So I made a couple of ads at that point. What I’m saying is that you could have made a claim for Scott post-draft. Beyond that, he was a free agent for a day or two, so you could’ve had him if you wanted.
That’s part of the challenge. Do you wait? Do you not wait? Do you make a claim or not, based on whether you think it’s worth it to possibly lose your priority.
Really, the same applies under either system.
Said elsewhere. Prefer to see my team play before looking to shuffle my deck.
Scott: I could have drafted with my first pick. Or my last. Or the day after the draft.
I looked for him when info came out indicating Edman likely Il to start season and Scott a possibility to take his place. And a marketing blitz showing him stating he plans to steak 100 bases in the bigs.
Now he is worth a flyer..but already awarded to someone the same day. May have had a higher claim than me.
But it ain't just about me. I am cool. As long as fixed going forward.
But did anybody else get screwed is the question?
We know you didn't. Got over like a fat rat in a cheese factory. Good for you.
You abided by the rules? Which rules..the former, the latter. Who informed who and when of those changes?
Nobody got screwed.
I stated the changes here. If I had made an announcement prior to the change, it would have given an unfair advantage to those who were aware of the pending changes.
You had the same opportunity to do what the few managers who placed claims under the previous system did.
I stated the changes here. If I had made an announcement prior to the change, it would have given an unfair advantage to those who were aware of the pending changes.
You had the same opportunity to do what the few managers who placed claims under the previous system did.
Do me the favor of having to reread through the entire and repost the section where you indicated the Waiver Process was no longer in effect and players will be awarded on a first come first serve basis. If that took place shame on me for having an issue.
I was referring to the waiver claim process, and I informed you of the change in this thread - you were literally the first to know.
I did not know that players would go to free agency without waivers, until they did. I think I’ve made it clear that I was under the impresssion that players would remain on waivers under the “standard” setting.
Again, I apologize for the confusion. I’m trying to be as fair and transparent about this as I possibly can.
DJ Davis wrote: ↑15 Mar 2024 18:52 pmIf nobody else wanted the player but you, and no claim was made by anyone but you, then you don’t lose the waiver priority.
I think that’s right. Correct me if I’m wrong, Quincy.
The only time your waiver resets is if someone else is trying to claim the same player that you want, and you win. And if they outbid you, I think your waiver priority remains the same.
That’s correct. You only lose your waiver priority if you win the claim.
It’s kind of weird the guy with the second highest waiver priority thinks this is working to his disadvantage.
Sorry, that’s just not how a Waiver Claim has worked in Yahoo Fantasy Football; which is my point of reference.
FF User Story #1:
Monday Night, I’m looking to add a player (Ex: Patrick Mahomes) who is on Waivers. His Waiver period goes until Wednesday at midnight. I have the #1 Waiver, so it’s a slam dunk I want Patrick Mahomes and put in the waiver claim.
On Wednesday morning, I now have Patrick Mahomes & the #15 Waiver.
FF User Story #2:
Monday Night, I’m looking to add a player (Ex: nobody CB who went to my Alma-mater) who is on Waivers. His Waiver period goes until Wednesday at midnight. I have the #1 Waiver. I don’t want to burn my #1 Waiver on this nobody JAG.
On Wednesday Morning, he’s a FA so I pick him up and retain my #1 Waiver.
FF User Story #3:
Monday Night, I’m looking to add a player (Ex: 3rd Round, backup RB who went to my Alma-mater) who is on Waivers.His Waiver period goes until Wednesday at midnight. I have the #14 Waiver. I’ve got nothing to lose because the #15 team has been inactive all year. So, I put in my Waiver Claim.
On Wednesday morning, I now have RB & the #15 Waiver.
Fantasy Baseball:
Monday Night, I’m looking to add a player (Ex: nobody Pitcher from my Hometown making his MLB debut) who is on Waivers. His Waiver period goes until (infinity?). I have the #1 Waiver and a freshly occupied IL spot. I can’t do anything but make a Waiver claim.
On Tuesday morning, I now have Pitcher & retain the #1 Waiver?
I have no idea how they handle waiver claims in fantasy football, but it’s going to be different from league to league, even if they’re all within Yahoo.
In example #1, you likely would have lost your waiver priority b/c someone else also placed a claim.
How this all boils down - you’re going to have a better chance at all players b/c of the FAB system. If you really want a player, place a larger bid.
I stated the changes here. If I had made an announcement prior to the change, it would have given an unfair advantage to those who were aware of the pending changes.
You had the same opportunity to do what the few managers who placed claims under the previous system did.
Do me the favor of having to reread through the entire and repost the section where you indicated the Waiver Process was no longer in effect and players will be awarded on a first come first serve basis. If that took place shame on me for having an issue.
I was referring to the waiver claim process, and I informed you of the change in this thread - you were literally the first to know.
I did not know that players would go to free agency without waivers, until they did. I think I’ve made it clear that I was under the impresssion that players would remain on waivers under the “standard” setting.
Again, I apologize for the confusion. I’m trying to be as fair and transparent about this as I possibly can.
Me being the first to know..we taking about being informed in the last few hours. Or are we talking like days ago?
The only “announcement” made regarding the change was in response to you.
If by “days ago” you mean when all players became waiver-free FA… nobody knew about that until it happened. I didn’t know about it,-and expected all players would remain on waivers.
Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑15 Mar 2024 19:54 pmI have no idea how they handle waiver claims in fantasy football, but it’s going to be different from league to league, even if they’re all within Yahoo.
In example #1, you likely would have lost your waiver priority b/c someone else also placed a claim.
How this all boils down - you’re going to have a better chance at all players b/c of the FAB system. If you really want a player, place a larger bid.
Cool. So, upon the acquisition of a player, I only lose the waiver claim if someone else bids the same $$ amount as me.
I assume I don’t lose the waiver position if someone simply puts in a waiver request?
(Ex: I put in $5, someone else puts in $1)
In its simplest form, if they bid more money, my higher waiver doesn’t matter. I simply lose out, but retain the waiver position. Once everyone burns through their $300, then the Waiver Priority runs supreme.
I believe all of that to be correct.
The FA free-for-all sucks, b/c it gives an unfair advantage to people staying up later, living on the west coast, or simply being quicker on the draw.
Sorry about all this… it’s how it should have been set to begin with, and how I thought it was set. This was the best way I could imagine to correct it, and I honestly don’t think any “damage” was done. By the time we make it through 162, none of this will matter. For the record - I wanted Payamps the same way Daze wanted Scott.
Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑15 Mar 2024 20:08 pmThe only “announcement” made regarding the change was in response to you.
If by “days ago” you mean when all players became waiver-free FA… nobody knew about that until it happened. I didn’t know about it,-and expected all players would remain on waivers.
Quincy,
God Forbid I ever had you in a courtroom. Lmao
This is painful. Like extracting a tooth. Teeth.
What day did you tell me that the waiver process was turned off and players were first come first serve free agents. Was this today that you are referring to???????
I didn’t tell anyone the waiver process was “turned off”. Players cleared waivers, and went to FA on the regular clock under the “standard” waiver mode. The league settings were visible to all before we even drafted.
Dazepster wrote: ↑15 Mar 2024 17:26 pm
CPC,
Solid pick up of Scott. Went looking for him to place a claim and lo and behold you beat me to him. Call me Day Late Dollar Short Dazepster.
Should have moved sooner yet awaiting IL moves as I hate making a cut before any have had a sniff of action.
There’s a minor change to how FAs will be handled moving forward. All available players will be on waivers, with waiver claims processed nightly. The difference - if two managers place claims for the same player, it will be awarded to the manager with the highest waiver priority/FAB offer.
TBH - this is how I thought it was set from the beginning. I had waiver mode set to “standard”, believing that would be the same as Yahoo’s default settings in other leagues. It wasn’t, and that only became apparent after the post-draft waiver period expired.
Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑15 Mar 2024 19:54 pmI have no idea how they handle waiver claims in fantasy football, but it’s going to be different from league to league, even if they’re all within Yahoo.
In example #1, you likely would have lost your waiver priority b/c someone else also placed a claim.
How this all boils down - you’re going to have a better chance at all players b/c of the FAB system. If you really want a player, place a larger bid.
Cool. So, upon the acquisition of a player, I only lose the waiver claim if someone else bids the same $$ amount as me.
I assume I don’t lose the waiver position if someone simply puts in a waiver request?
(Ex: I put in $5, someone else puts in $1)
In its simplest form, if they bid more money, my higher waiver doesn’t matter. I simply lose out, but retain the waiver position. Once everyone burns through their $300, then the Waiver Priority runs supreme.
I believe all of that to be correct.
The FA free-for-all sucks, b/c it gives an unfair advantage to people staying up later, living on the west coast, or simply being quicker on the draw.
Sorry about all this… it’s how it should have been set to begin with, and how I thought it was set. This was the best way I could imagine to correct it, and I honestly don’t think any “damage” was done. By the time we make it through 162, none of this will matter. For the record - I wanted Payamps the same way Daze wanted Scott.
If I read transaction log correctly.
It appears that waivers were shut down for 2 days. Wednesday and Thursday. 9 players awarded to a handful of teams. A couple with multiple adds.
Any reach out to you and mention something seemed a bit off?
No, and nothing was actively “shut down”. Undrafted players simply cleared waivers, and became free agents.
All non-drafted players are placed on automatic waivers after every draft… that is how it always works. The only change that was made occurred early this morning, when I set it to continuous waivers.
Dazepster wrote: ↑15 Mar 2024 20:52 pm
Maybe it's me Quince and I have a failure to communicate coherently.
Not looking to assign blame to you or anyone else. [shirt] happens. Fixed going forward.
Trying to understand the extent without getting waylaid by Corporate Mumbo Jumbo.
Expectation. Waiver process that any and all that have participated in Fantasy Baseball are well familiar with takes effect immediately Post Draft.
In our League. Those settings were not in effect. Players could be claimed on a first come first serve basis.
From Post Draft till you made the settings change today? Or was it restricted to Wednesday and Thursday. Again, looks like 9 transactions over those 2 days.
Could you be more clear about what you don’t understand?
I set the league to “standard” waiver mode when the league was formed.
No changes were made to the waiver system until this morning, when I set it to continuous waivers.
It was also my expectation that players would remain on waivers, as in other leagues.
Cool Papa Con wrote: ↑15 Mar 2024 18:46 pm
The great leveling of drafting last is you get first waiver.
This is probably the only thing I'll say about this...
The SNAKE is what levels the draft, not the waiver. You getting the 15th and 16th pick while the person drafting 1st doesn't draft again until 30th... THAT is the leveler.
You having the opportunity to claim Robbie Ray would in absolutely no way be a leveler, especially in a draft with this many teams and roster spots.
There is folly in your thinking on this, so just pointing that out.
Dazepster wrote: ↑15 Mar 2024 20:52 pm
Maybe it's me Quince and I have a failure to communicate coherently.
Not looking to assign blame to you or anyone else. [shirt] happens. Fixed going forward.
Trying to understand the extent without getting waylaid by Corporate Mumbo Jumbo.
Expectation. Waiver process that any and all that have participated in Fantasy Baseball are well familiar with takes effect immediately Post Draft.
In our League. Those settings were not in effect. Players could be claimed on a first come first serve basis.
From Post Draft till you made the settings change today? Or was it restricted to Wednesday and Thursday. Again, looks like 9 transactions over those 2 days.
Could you be more clear about what you don’t understand?
I set the league to “standard” waiver mode when the league was formed.
No changes were made to the waiver system until this morning, when I set it to continuous waivers.
It was also my expectation that players would remain on waivers, as in other leagues.
Standard Waiver Mode = First Come First Served. Yes or No
That was in effect from the conclusion of the draft up until you made a change this morning? Yes or No
You only became aware that we were operating in Standard Mode this morning, at which time you made a change to the Continuous Waivers setting. Yes or No?
All undrafted players were on waivers immediately upon conclusion of the draft so you had 3 days to tinker.
As an example, I drafted Jasson Dominguez who is on the 60 day IL. I moved him to the IL to clear a roster spot and placed one waiver claim (Frankie Montas). I "won" that waiver as all of the undrafted players completed the waiver period at midnight Tuesday night. I don't know if anyone else claimed Frankie Montas, but I used $7 of my FAB to improve the likelihood that I'd get him.
If you have your email notifications on, you would have gotten an automated message in your inbox notifying you of the waiver change. I wasn't checking my email so I just verified that now. It came out at 6:44 AM EST yesterday 3/14, so basically there was a day of free agency. MAYBE some people missed out on a few guys who no one justified drafting in THREE HUNDRED AND NINETY PICKS. We're talking about very little missed value, here.
Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑15 Mar 2024 21:02 pmCould you be more clear about what you don’t understand?
I set the league to “standard” waiver mode when the league was formed.
No changes were made to the waiver system until this morning, when I set it to continuous waivers.
It was also my expectation that players would remain on waivers, as in other leagues.
Standard Waiver Mode = First Come First Served. Yes or No
Yes. I was unaware of this when the league was formed, because Yahoo does a [shirt] job of clarifying their settings.
That was in effect from the conclusion of the draft up until you made a change this morning? Yes or No
Yes.
You only became aware that we were operating in Standard Mode this morning, at which time you made a change to the Continuous Waivers setting. Yes or No?
Basically, yes. I was aware of the differences last night, and changed it this morning.
Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑15 Mar 2024 21:02 pmCould you be more clear about what you don’t understand?
I set the league to “standard” waiver mode when the league was formed.
No changes were made to the waiver system until this morning, when I set it to continuous waivers.
It was also my expectation that players would remain on waivers, as in other leagues.
Standard Waiver Mode = First Come First Served. Yes or No
Yes. I was unaware of this when the league was formed, because Yahoo does a [shirt] job of clarifying their settings.
That was in effect from the conclusion of the draft up until you made a change this morning? Yes or No
Yes.
You only became aware that we were operating in Standard Mode this morning, at which time you made a change to the Continuous Waivers setting. Yes or No?
Basically, yes. I was aware of the differences last night, and changed it this morning.
Why does this feel like a deposition???
A deposition?
I must be getting soft in my old age. An Inquisition is what it called for. Lol
Wasn't clear to me exactly when and what happened. Obviously. And further attempts at clarity only seemed to skirt around what exactly happened.
Not a Money League. So Whatever at the end of the day.
Sorry for grilling you.
Even if it were a ‘money’ league, we’re talking about players that nobody wanted in the draft, and for whom nobody placed a claim while waivers were still in place. Some people might have been legitimately (upset) in a money league, but it’s still a ‘whatever’ either way IMO.
Again, I’m deeply apologetic for the inconvenience and the mental hardship this has caused you, and specifically you.
Quincy Varnish wrote: ↑15 Mar 2024 21:02 pmCould you be more clear about what you don’t understand?
I set the league to “standard” waiver mode when the league was formed.
No changes were made to the waiver system until this morning, when I set it to continuous waivers.
It was also my expectation that players would remain on waivers, as in other leagues.
Standard Waiver Mode = First Come First Served. Yes or No
Yes. I was unaware of this when the league was formed, because Yahoo does a [shirt] job of clarifying their settings.
That was in effect from the conclusion of the draft up until you made a change this morning? Yes or No
Yes.
You only became aware that we were operating in Standard Mode this morning, at which time you made a change to the Continuous Waivers setting. Yes or No?
Basically, yes. I was aware of the differences last night, and changed it this morning.
Why does this feel like a deposition???
A deposition?
I must be getting soft in my old age. An Inquisition is what it called for. Lol
Wasn't clear to me exactly when and what happened. Obviously. And further attempts at clarity only seemed to skirt around what exactly happened.
Not a Money League. So Whatever at the end of the day.
Sorry for grilling you.
Even if it were a ‘money’ league, we’re talking about players that nobody wanted in the draft, and for whom nobody placed a claim while waivers were still in place. Some people might have been legitimately (upset) in a money league, but it’s still a ‘whatever’ either way IMO.
Again, I’m deeply apologetic for the inconvenience and the mental hardship this has caused you, and specifically you.
Cool Papa Con wrote: ↑15 Mar 2024 18:46 pm
The great leveling of drafting last is you get first waiver.
This is probably the only thing I'll say about this...
The SNAKE is what levels the draft, not the waiver. You getting the 15th and 16th pick while the person drafting 1st doesn't draft again until 30th... THAT is the leveler.
You having the opportunity to claim Robbie Ray would in absolutely no way be a leveler, especially in a draft with this many teams and roster spots.
There is folly in your thinking on this, so just pointing that out.
I disagree. The “folly in your thinking” is #1 Pick not only gets a shot at the best player, but also gets 3 Picks in the Top 31 spots. #15 gets 2, and their 3rd pick is the 45th Pick.
I realize both have a disadvantages, but I’d take the #1 Overall Pick over the #15. Just look at the potential Top 7: Acuna, Betts, Soto, Julio Rodriguez, Tucker, Carroll, Witt-jr are unparalleled. 5/6 are practically 5-Tool Players capable of 30/40 seasons while at critical positions, and the one not included is Juan Soto.
Think of it this way, the NL MVP last year was Acuna, who lead in Hits (217) Runs (130), Stolen Bases (73), OB% (.417), and OPS (1.012). He also hit 41 Homers, and drove in 106 RBI’s while batting .337. Once you get out of that Top 7, you’re getting into some 2-Dimensional players that either have Power + Defense or Power + Walks.
After that, you’re either hoping for an elite 1-Dimensional guy on a good team that can drive in runs or be driven in based on their spot in the order or that +33 year old veteran isn’t going to drop off too much (34 year old Freddie Freeman)
The caliber of player greatly diminishes after the Top 10-12 because those are all guys at the top of their professions and in their primes. They are the MVP Candidates who MLB is marketing to the masses. After that, you’re basically left with Allstar caliber players; which fill up two bloated rosters.
Sure, they’re not bad, but no one is going to confuse AL Starting CF Austin Hays with Ronald Acuna.
The #1 Waiver means you have the First Shot at anything in Free Agency. Someone unheralded Rookie killing it in St Louis and makes the Opening Day Roster after a veteran goes down with injury? Congrats, you just landed 2001 Albert Pujols
Dazepster wrote: ↑15 Mar 2024 22:23 pmThis is my perspective:
Draft takes place weeks before opening day. Awful lot of roles undetermined. Some guys are going to get their shot, certainly pitchers. Starters are still to be determined. Many will amount to nothing. Some will impact some owners teams in an outsized way. Every year, every draft. That is from many years of Fantasy experience. With or without a 10 year layoff.
So when some belittle the impact post draft moves will have at the end of the day. I call that Smoke.
I’m aware of the impact of post draft moves. I’m also aware that you haven’t made any, which begs the question… why on earth would you be acting as though this is some type of grave injustice?
Everyone’s been under the same rules the whole time, in spite of the recent change. Some took advantage - you did not. Nor did you make a single waiver claim, post-draft.
You missed on Scott. So did 14 other teams. Get over it.
Dazepster wrote: ↑16 Mar 2024 07:56 am
After further review of The Settings.
Allow injured players from waivers or free agents to be added directly to injury slot.
Would seem to me that you could claim an IL player without requiring a cut player as the IL player goes directly to IL without affecting roster count.
Yet when I try to claim a IL player it is requiring me to add a cut.
What gives?
I'm not sure. I found with the initial wave of waiver claims which were proceed on March 13 that you would make a waiver claim for an IL eligible player and have them go straight to your IL without having to drop someone in the process. I'm not sure if that is/was intended, or whether that was just another fluke in the system.
Gotcha.
Can somebody test that current state to see if just me or if it requires you to make a cut as well. Don't have to actually complete the claim just see if requiring you to now add a cut.
So to now make a waiver claim for an IL-eligible player (Felix Bautista), it seems to require me to drop a player, but it looks like it would let me drop one of the guys who is already on IL (Waldichuk) to make the claim.
So, if that went through, I guess Bautista would do directly to my IL.
That’s because you maxed out your IL at 4. Settings have not changed.
