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The myth about JJ's batting average in ST determining whether he makes the team

Posted: 25 Feb 2026 15:33 pm
by ramfandan
More than one poster stated on CT that if JJW has a poor batting average in ST , he won't (or should not ) make the final roster and be sent back to Memphis. Bloom , on the other hand, stated long before camp that "JJ's batting average in ST will not be a determing factor.'

Well, thus far Bloom is spot on and a few posters way off target .

Offensively , JJ has a batting average of .000 . He is yet to get a hit but look how productive he has been despite that fact.
In 3 games he has drawn a walk in every game. He has scored a run for his team in each of those 'walks' . Twice from 3rd base and today part of Gorman's 3 run homer.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe JJ has struck out yet this spring. On each of his outs, he has put the ball in the field of play .
His bat to ball skills are playing as advertised. In 2025, JJ had a low 14.7% strike out rate with Double A and Triple A combined.
So don't get too hung up on batting average in ST. JJ has been productive in his starts this year .
With drawing three walks and scoring all 3 times, one can see why many want him to continue as a leadoff hitter for the 2026 squad as he mostly did in 2025 in the minors. Low strikeout rate, putting batted balls in play , and drawing numerous walks are ideal characteristics for leadoff spot not to mention speed to steal 2nd base.
Finally ,someone said if JJ only bats .100 in ST no way he makes the team . Think again !

Re: The myth about JJ's batting average in ST determining whether he makes the team

Posted: 25 Feb 2026 15:36 pm
by Jatalk
ramfandan wrote: 25 Feb 2026 15:33 pm More than one poster stated on CT that if JJW has a poor batting average in ST , he won't (or should not ) make the final roster and be sent back to Memphis. Bloom , on the other hand, stated long before camp that "JJ's batting average in ST will not be a determing factor.'

Well, thus far Bloom is spot on and a few posters way off target .

Offensively , JJ has a batting average of .000 . He is yet to get a hit but look how productive he has been despite that fact.
In 3 games he has drawn a walk in every game. He has scored a run for his team in each of those 'walks' . Twice from 3rd base and today part of Gorman's 3 run homer.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe JJ has struck out yet this spring. On each of his outs, he has put the ball in the field of play .
His bat to ball skills are playing as advertised. In 2025, JJ had a low 14.7% strike out rate with Double A and Triple A combined.
So don't get too hung up on batting average in ST. JJ has been productive in his starts this year .
With drawing three walks and scoring all 3 times, one can see why many want him to continue as a leadoff hitter for the 2026 squad as he mostly did in 2025 in the minors. Low strikeout rate, putting batted balls in play , and drawing numerous walks are ideal characteristics for leadoff spot not to mention speed to steal 2nd base.
Finally ,someone said if JJ only bats .100 in ST no way he makes the team . Think again !
He will make it by default but if he does not improve you can’t really say he earned it.

Re: The myth about JJ's batting average in ST determining whether he makes the team

Posted: 25 Feb 2026 15:38 pm
by bccardsfan
ramfandan wrote: 25 Feb 2026 15:33 pm More than one poster stated on CT that if JJW has a poor batting average in ST , he won't (or should not ) make the final roster and be sent back to Memphis. Bloom , on the other hand, stated long before camp that "JJ's batting average in ST will not be a determing factor.'

Well, thus far Bloom is spot on and a few posters way off the target .

Offensively , JJ has a batting average of .000 . He is yet to get a hit but look how productive he has been despite that fact.
In 3 games he has drawn a walk in ever game. He has scored a run for his team in each of those 'walks' . Twice from 3rd base and today part of Gorman's 3 run homer.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe JJ has struck out yet this spring. On each of his outs, he has put the ball in the field of play .
His bat to ball skills are playing as advertised. In 2025, JJ had a low 14.7% strike out rate with Double A and Triple A combined.
So don't get too hung up on batting average in ST. JJ has been productive in his starts this year .
With drawing three walks and scoring all 3 times, one can see why many want him to continue as a leadoff hitter for the 2026 squad as he mostly did in 2025 in the minors. Low strikeout rate, putting batted balls in play , and drawing numerous walks are ideal characteristics to be leadoff not to mention speed to steal 2nd base.
Finally ,someone said if JJ only bats .100 in ST no way he makes the team . Think again !
I have watched all of his ABs that were televised so far this spring. You just have to watch him at the plate to know he will be on the team. He commands the strike zone and rarely chases. Yes, I know it is early and the best pitchers are not out there yet. Today he put down a sac bunt that was almost perfect. It hugged the 3B line and just went foul right before the bag. All the third baseman could do was watch it as he had no play. JJ can bunt too. He looked very comfortable doing it with very text book technique. He looks quite complete at the plate with a very quick and compact swing and excellent strike zone recognition. He will be on the team going north....

Re: The myth about JJ's batting average in ST determining whether he makes the team

Posted: 25 Feb 2026 15:44 pm
by ramfandan
Jatalk wrote: 25 Feb 2026 15:36 pm
ramfandan wrote: 25 Feb 2026 15:33 pm More than one poster stated on CT that if JJW has a poor batting average in ST , he won't (or should not ) make the final roster and be sent back to Memphis. Bloom , on the other hand, stated long before camp that "JJ's batting average in ST will not be a determing factor.'

Well, thus far Bloom is spot on and a few posters way off target .

Offensively , JJ has a batting average of .000 . He is yet to get a hit but look how productive he has been despite that fact.
In 3 games he has drawn a walk in every game. He has scored a run for his team in each of those 'walks' . Twice from 3rd base and today part of Gorman's 3 run homer.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe JJ has struck out yet this spring. On each of his outs, he has put the ball in the field of play .
His bat to ball skills are playing as advertised. In 2025, JJ had a low 14.7% strike out rate with Double A and Triple A combined.
So don't get too hung up on batting average in ST. JJ has been productive in his starts this year .
With drawing three walks and scoring all 3 times, one can see why many want him to continue as a leadoff hitter for the 2026 squad as he mostly did in 2025 in the minors. Low strikeout rate, putting batted balls in play , and drawing numerous walks are ideal characteristics for leadoff spot not to mention speed to steal 2nd base.
Finally ,someone said if JJ only bats .100 in ST no way he makes the team . Think again !
He will make it by default but if he does not improve you can’t really say he earned it.
Improve ? Meaning what ..He has either walked or put every ball in play . How does one change where the ball goes in the field of play to get a hit.S For example, one can hit 4 hard hit grounders but right at the fielders ..all outs ..other times the grounders go between the fielder. A batter can hit 5 line drives to the outfield either right at the OF or a running catch .. other times the balls go down the line or safely go in the gaps.
This has been a very small sample size . In what way does JJ need to improve his batted balls that have been all outs ?

Re: The myth about JJ's batting average in ST determining whether he makes the team

Posted: 25 Feb 2026 15:46 pm
by 12xu
His BA right now is unimportant. What is important is his .571 OBP!! He has walked 4 times in 7 PA and he has not struck out once. He has also scored 3 runs in 3 games played.

Re: The myth about JJ's batting average in ST determining whether he makes the team

Posted: 25 Feb 2026 15:48 pm
by ramfandan
ramfandan wrote: 25 Feb 2026 15:44 pm
Jatalk wrote: 25 Feb 2026 15:36 pm
ramfandan wrote: 25 Feb 2026 15:33 pm More than one poster stated on CT that if JJW has a poor batting average in ST , he won't (or should not ) make the final roster and be sent back to Memphis. Bloom , on the other hand, stated long before camp that "JJ's batting average in ST will not be a determing factor.'

Well, thus far Bloom is spot on and a few posters way off target .

Offensively , JJ has a batting average of .000 . He is yet to get a hit but look how productive he has been despite that fact.
In 3 games he has drawn a walk in every game. He has scored a run for his team in each of those 'walks' . Twice from 3rd base and today part of Gorman's 3 run homer.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe JJ has struck out yet this spring. On each of his outs, he has put the ball in the field of play .
His bat to ball skills are playing as advertised. In 2025, JJ had a low 14.7% strike out rate with Double A and Triple A combined.
So don't get too hung up on batting average in ST. JJ has been productive in his starts this year .
With drawing three walks and scoring all 3 times, one can see why many want him to continue as a leadoff hitter for the 2026 squad as he mostly did in 2025 in the minors. Low strikeout rate, putting batted balls in play , and drawing numerous walks are ideal characteristics for leadoff spot not to mention speed to steal 2nd base.
Finally ,someone said if JJ only bats .100 in ST no way he makes the team . Think again !
He will make it by default but if he does not improve you can’t really say he earned it.
Improve ? Meaning what ..He has either walked or put every ball in play . How does one change where the ball goes in the field of play to get a hit.S For example, one can hit 4 hard hit grounders but right at the fielders ..all outs ..other times the grounders go between the fielder. A batter can hit 5 line drives to the outfield either right at the OF or a running catch .. other times the balls go down the line or safely go in the gaps.
This has been a very small sample size . In what way does JJ need to improve his batted balls that have been all outs ?

If I am a manager and have a kid who isn't striking out , drawing walks and the rest are batted balls in the field of play , I would not be thinking this kid needs to 'improve'. His batting average ? well, I would say to myself that will go up as the batted balls will start landing in spots for hits sooner or later.

Re: The myth about JJ's batting average in ST determining whether he makes the team

Posted: 25 Feb 2026 15:48 pm
by Cardinals1964
ramfandan wrote: 25 Feb 2026 15:33 pm More than one poster stated on CT that if JJW has a poor batting average in ST , he won't (or should not ) make the final roster and be sent back to Memphis. Bloom , on the other hand, stated long before camp that "JJ's batting average in ST will not be a determing factor.'

Well, thus far Bloom is spot on and a few posters way off target .

Offensively , JJ has a batting average of .000 . He is yet to get a hit but look how productive he has been despite that fact.
In 3 games he has drawn a walk in every game. He has scored a run for his team in each of those 'walks' . Twice from 3rd base and today part of Gorman's 3 run homer.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe JJ has struck out yet this spring. On each of his outs, he has put the ball in the field of play .
His bat to ball skills are playing as advertised. In 2025, JJ had a low 14.7% strike out rate with Double A and Triple A combined.
So don't get too hung up on batting average in ST. JJ has been productive in his starts this year .
With drawing three walks and scoring all 3 times, one can see why many want him to continue as a leadoff hitter for the 2026 squad as he mostly did in 2025 in the minors. Low strikeout rate, putting batted balls in play , and drawing numerous walks are ideal characteristics for leadoff spot not to mention speed to steal 2nd base.
Finally ,someone said if JJ only bats .100 in ST no way he makes the team . Think again !
Did you see that bunt today that finally went fouls right before the bag. It was a thing of beauty.
Unfortunately, every time I have seen a ground ball hit his way this spring (only twice) he didn’t field either one of them cleanly. So, if I base my overall opinion on the two balls I saw hit, JJ can’t catch. lol.
I also watched Nolan Gorman hit that home run today. That’s the only ad that I watched him in. So, Nolan Gorman hits a home run every time I watch him.

Re: The myth about JJ's batting average in ST determining whether he makes the team

Posted: 25 Feb 2026 16:08 pm
by bccardsfan
Cardinals1964 wrote: 25 Feb 2026 15:48 pm
ramfandan wrote: 25 Feb 2026 15:33 pm More than one poster stated on CT that if JJW has a poor batting average in ST , he won't (or should not ) make the final roster and be sent back to Memphis. Bloom , on the other hand, stated long before camp that "JJ's batting average in ST will not be a determing factor.'

Well, thus far Bloom is spot on and a few posters way off target .

Offensively , JJ has a batting average of .000 . He is yet to get a hit but look how productive he has been despite that fact.
In 3 games he has drawn a walk in every game. He has scored a run for his team in each of those 'walks' . Twice from 3rd base and today part of Gorman's 3 run homer.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe JJ has struck out yet this spring. On each of his outs, he has put the ball in the field of play .
His bat to ball skills are playing as advertised. In 2025, JJ had a low 14.7% strike out rate with Double A and Triple A combined.
So don't get too hung up on batting average in ST. JJ has been productive in his starts this year .
With drawing three walks and scoring all 3 times, one can see why many want him to continue as a leadoff hitter for the 2026 squad as he mostly did in 2025 in the minors. Low strikeout rate, putting batted balls in play , and drawing numerous walks are ideal characteristics for leadoff spot not to mention speed to steal 2nd base.
Finally ,someone said if JJ only bats .100 in ST no way he makes the team . Think again !
Did you see that bunt today that finally went fouls right before the bag. It was a thing of beauty.
Unfortunately, every time I have seen a ground ball hit his way this spring (only twice) he didn’t field either one of them cleanly. So, if I base my overall opinion on the two balls I saw hit, JJ can’t catch. lol.
I also watched Nolan Gorman hit that home run today. That’s the only ad that I watched him in. So, Nolan Gorman hits a home run every time I watch him.
That bunt was 95% perfect. The technique laying it down was a thing of beauty. One more biscuit for breakfast and that bunt hits the bag... If we just had a reliable leadoff hitter, JJW hits second. Think of the hit and run possibilities... Or if he walks, the double steal possibilities. Oh well, we don't really have a great lead off hitter... yet.

Re: The myth about JJ's batting average in ST determining whether he makes the team

Posted: 25 Feb 2026 16:54 pm
by Cardinals1964
bccardsfan wrote: 25 Feb 2026 16:08 pm
Cardinals1964 wrote: 25 Feb 2026 15:48 pm
ramfandan wrote: 25 Feb 2026 15:33 pm More than one poster stated on CT that if JJW has a poor batting average in ST , he won't (or should not ) make the final roster and be sent back to Memphis. Bloom , on the other hand, stated long before camp that "JJ's batting average in ST will not be a determing factor.'

Well, thus far Bloom is spot on and a few posters way off target .

Offensively , JJ has a batting average of .000 . He is yet to get a hit but look how productive he has been despite that fact.
In 3 games he has drawn a walk in every game. He has scored a run for his team in each of those 'walks' . Twice from 3rd base and today part of Gorman's 3 run homer.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe JJ has struck out yet this spring. On each of his outs, he has put the ball in the field of play .
His bat to ball skills are playing as advertised. In 2025, JJ had a low 14.7% strike out rate with Double A and Triple A combined.
So don't get too hung up on batting average in ST. JJ has been productive in his starts this year .
With drawing three walks and scoring all 3 times, one can see why many want him to continue as a leadoff hitter for the 2026 squad as he mostly did in 2025 in the minors. Low strikeout rate, putting batted balls in play , and drawing numerous walks are ideal characteristics for leadoff spot not to mention speed to steal 2nd base.
Finally ,someone said if JJ only bats .100 in ST no way he makes the team . Think again !
Did you see that bunt today that finally went fouls right before the bag. It was a thing of beauty.
Unfortunately, every time I have seen a ground ball hit his way this spring (only twice) he didn’t field either one of them cleanly. So, if I base my overall opinion on the two balls I saw hit, JJ can’t catch. lol.
I also watched Nolan Gorman hit that home run today. That’s the only ad that I watched him in. So, Nolan Gorman hits a home run every time I watch him.
That bunt was 95% perfect. The technique laying it down was a thing of beauty. One more biscuit for breakfast and that bunt hits the bag... If we just had a reliable leadoff hitter, JJW hits second. Think of the hit and run possibilities... Or if he walks, the double steal possibilities. Oh well, we don't really have a great lead off hitter... yet.
Yes, we need two of him. I want him to lead off, but he’d be great hitting 2nd if a speedster could get on in front of him. With his bat control, he could give the guy a chance to steal.

Re: The myth about JJ's batting average in ST determining whether he makes the team

Posted: 25 Feb 2026 17:23 pm
by ramfandan
Cardinals1964 wrote: 25 Feb 2026 15:48 pm
ramfandan wrote: 25 Feb 2026 15:33 pm More than one poster stated on CT that if JJW has a poor batting average in ST , he won't (or should not ) make the final roster and be sent back to Memphis. Bloom , on the other hand, stated long before camp that "JJ's batting average in ST will not be a determing factor.'

Well, thus far Bloom is spot on and a few posters way off target .

Offensively , JJ has a batting average of .000 . He is yet to get a hit but look how productive he has been despite that fact.
In 3 games he has drawn a walk in every game. He has scored a run for his team in each of those 'walks' . Twice from 3rd base and today part of Gorman's 3 run homer.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe JJ has struck out yet this spring. On each of his outs, he has put the ball in the field of play .
His bat to ball skills are playing as advertised. In 2025, JJ had a low 14.7% strike out rate with Double A and Triple A combined.
So don't get too hung up on batting average in ST. JJ has been productive in his starts this year .
With drawing three walks and scoring all 3 times, one can see why many want him to continue as a leadoff hitter for the 2026 squad as he mostly did in 2025 in the minors. Low strikeout rate, putting batted balls in play , and drawing numerous walks are ideal characteristics for leadoff spot not to mention speed to steal 2nd base.
Finally ,someone said if JJ only bats .100 in ST no way he makes the team . Think again !
Did you see that bunt today that finally went fouls right before the bag. It was a thing of beauty.
Unfortunately, every time I have seen a ground ball hit his way this spring (only twice) he didn’t field either one of them cleanly. So, if I base my overall opinion on the two balls I saw hit, JJ can’t catch. lol.
I also watched Nolan Gorman hit that home run today. That’s the only ad that I watched him in. So, Nolan Gorman hits a home run every time I watch him.
Or putting it another way , if you watch Gorman in all the games this year , say he plays 140 of 162 , Gorman is due to hit 140 homers !
Just what this team needs :lol:

Re: The myth about JJ's batting average in ST determining whether he makes the team

Posted: 25 Feb 2026 17:26 pm
by ramfandan
bccardsfan wrote: 25 Feb 2026 16:08 pm
Cardinals1964 wrote: 25 Feb 2026 15:48 pm
ramfandan wrote: 25 Feb 2026 15:33 pm More than one poster stated on CT that if JJW has a poor batting average in ST , he won't (or should not ) make the final roster and be sent back to Memphis. Bloom , on the other hand, stated long before camp that "JJ's batting average in ST will not be a determing factor.'

Well, thus far Bloom is spot on and a few posters way off target .

Offensively , JJ has a batting average of .000 . He is yet to get a hit but look how productive he has been despite that fact.
In 3 games he has drawn a walk in every game. He has scored a run for his team in each of those 'walks' . Twice from 3rd base and today part of Gorman's 3 run homer.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe JJ has struck out yet this spring. On each of his outs, he has put the ball in the field of play .
His bat to ball skills are playing as advertised. In 2025, JJ had a low 14.7% strike out rate with Double A and Triple A combined.
So don't get too hung up on batting average in ST. JJ has been productive in his starts this year .
With drawing three walks and scoring all 3 times, one can see why many want him to continue as a leadoff hitter for the 2026 squad as he mostly did in 2025 in the minors. Low strikeout rate, putting batted balls in play , and drawing numerous walks are ideal characteristics for leadoff spot not to mention speed to steal 2nd base.
Finally ,someone said if JJ only bats .100 in ST no way he makes the team . Think again !
Did you see that bunt today that finally went fouls right before the bag. It was a thing of beauty.
Unfortunately, every time I have seen a ground ball hit his way this spring (only twice) he didn’t field either one of them cleanly. So, if I base my overall opinion on the two balls I saw hit, JJ can’t catch. lol.
I also watched Nolan Gorman hit that home run today. That’s the only ad that I watched him in. So, Nolan Gorman hits a home run every time I watch him.
That bunt was 95% perfect. The technique laying it down was a thing of beauty. One more biscuit for breakfast and that bunt hits the bag... If we just had a reliable leadoff hitter, JJW hits second. Think of the hit and run possibilities... Or if he walks, the double steal possibilities. Oh well, we don't really have a great lead off hitter... yet.
Agree with you that another player has not stepped into a leadoff capable player and why it may be Oli's best best ( until someone shows us differently )that he puts JJ as the No. 1 guy in the leadoff. He sure seems to be a high OBS type guy with speed to steal. 3 games 3 walks and has scored each time.

Re: The myth about JJ's batting average in ST determining whether he makes the team

Posted: 25 Feb 2026 17:38 pm
by woofy25
Have people not yet realized the fools gold of spring training stats? You only need to go as far back last year with victor scott. People need to learn something from time to time

Re: The myth about JJ's batting average in ST determining whether he makes the team

Posted: 25 Feb 2026 17:54 pm
by 45s
He makes the team

If only by demand from the ticket office…

Re: The myth about JJ's batting average in ST determining whether he makes the team

Posted: 25 Feb 2026 18:01 pm
by Jatalk
ramfandan wrote: 25 Feb 2026 15:44 pm
Jatalk wrote: 25 Feb 2026 15:36 pm
ramfandan wrote: 25 Feb 2026 15:33 pm More than one poster stated on CT that if JJW has a poor batting average in ST , he won't (or should not ) make the final roster and be sent back to Memphis. Bloom , on the other hand, stated long before camp that "JJ's batting average in ST will not be a determing factor.'

Well, thus far Bloom is spot on and a few posters way off target .

Offensively , JJ has a batting average of .000 . He is yet to get a hit but look how productive he has been despite that fact.
In 3 games he has drawn a walk in every game. He has scored a run for his team in each of those 'walks' . Twice from 3rd base and today part of Gorman's 3 run homer.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe JJ has struck out yet this spring. On each of his outs, he has put the ball in the field of play .
His bat to ball skills are playing as advertised. In 2025, JJ had a low 14.7% strike out rate with Double A and Triple A combined.
So don't get too hung up on batting average in ST. JJ has been productive in his starts this year .
With drawing three walks and scoring all 3 times, one can see why many want him to continue as a leadoff hitter for the 2026 squad as he mostly did in 2025 in the minors. Low strikeout rate, putting batted balls in play , and drawing numerous walks are ideal characteristics for leadoff spot not to mention speed to steal 2nd base.
Finally ,someone said if JJ only bats .100 in ST no way he makes the team . Think again !
He will make it by default but if he does not improve you can’t really say he earned it.
Improve ? Meaning what ..He has either walked or put every ball in play . How does one change where the ball goes in the field of play to get a hit.S For example, one can hit 4 hard hit grounders but right at the fielders ..all outs ..other times the grounders go between the fielder. A batter can hit 5 line drives to the outfield either right at the OF or a running catch .. other times the balls go down the line or safely go in the gaps.
This has been a very small sample size . In what way does JJ need to improve his batted balls that have been all outs ?
Hits

Re: The myth about JJ's batting average in ST determining whether he makes the team

Posted: 25 Feb 2026 18:11 pm
by bccardsfan
woofy25 wrote: 25 Feb 2026 17:38 pm Have people not yet realized the fools gold of spring training stats? You only need to go as far back last year with victor scott. People need to learn something from time to time
We are not talking about stats with JJW. Just how he looks at the plate so far. Controls the strike zone and looks like a hitter. Quiet at the plate. The kid will hit in MLB. Contrast with a guy like Walker who just looks bad most of the time. I will bet JJW hits at least .260 by season's end, with a pretty high OBP. He may do better, but I will wager that is his floor.

Re: The myth about JJ's batting average in ST determining whether he makes the team

Posted: 25 Feb 2026 18:53 pm
by Jatalk
This is really humorous. I think JJ will be fine but suddenly we are impressed by a couple of walks and some poor infield play. Anyone else and he would be criticized by many. J J still has to prove he should be on the opening day roster.