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None of them were going to bring back elite talent the best they could hope for was high risk high reward players Donovan was a crown jewel player that was going to bring back a teams number one or two prospect. Baez and Rodriguez are two bats that are coming JJ is already there. Herrera is a middle of the order bat if he stays healthy burly lengthens a lineup. Once that is sorted out the cardinals have a lot of starting pitching depth coming that can be traded to fill in the needs of the line up and the cardinals will have money to spend to fill needs and with the cost controlled starting rotation they are working at building which isCarp4Cy wrote: ↑24 Feb 2026 11:56 am
I'm still concerned about this "foundation" building itself from the bat side. We just don't have the quantity of elite prospects on the hitting side to rebuild our MOTO to a high caliber playoff level internally. Are we going to wait to slowly draft and develop thosewhile we watch our existing MI talent begin to age out? Or are going to start trading for existing Mike Sirota/Spencer Jones/Xavier Isaac/Roman Anthony types, but if so, how? We've already spent our veteran trade capital and the Crown jewel Donovan mostly on high risk/hopefully high reward pitching.
May take until the 2028 season but hopefully Herrera/JJW/R.R. will be an offensive threesome Bloom can build around.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑24 Feb 2026 11:56 am
I'm still concerned about this "foundation" building itself from the bat side. We just don't have the quantity of elite prospects on the hitting side to rebuild our MOTO to a high caliber playoff level internally. Are we going to wait to slowly draft and develop thosewhile we watch our existing MI talent begin to age out? Or are going to start trading for existing Mike Sirota/Spencer Jones/Xavier Isaac/Roman Anthony types, but if so, how? We've already spent our veteran trade capital and the Crown jewel Donovan mostly on high risk/hopefully high reward pitching.
There's no such thing as too much pitching, although Bloom is testing that credo. You're correct in that the scales are tipped so far on the side of pitching that it's fair to remind the team it can't win games 0-0. This came up in one of the chats and essentially the answer was: when the time comes to make that push, the org would draw from that excess pitching depth and trade for that bat if free agency isn't a viable option.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑24 Feb 2026 11:56 am
I'm still concerned about this "foundation" building itself from the bat side. We just don't have the quantity of elite prospects on the hitting side to rebuild our MOTO to a high caliber playoff level internally. Are we going to wait to slowly draft and develop thosewhile we watch our existing MI talent begin to age out? Or are going to start trading for existing Mike Sirota/Spencer Jones/Xavier Isaac/Roman Anthony types, but if so, how? We've already spent our veteran trade capital and the Crown jewel Donovan mostly on high risk/hopefully high reward pitching.
No Alex this is all BDWJr's plan.Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑24 Feb 2026 13:04 pm It seems to me there is a transition occurring. The way Junior built the team will look significantly different than the 3s model.
I personally think the III is behind a lot of this new direction.
Rock, with Jr. being 84, my fear is "Fredo" could take over at any time! That is a scary thought as I just don't see the love for baseball, when he speaks, like his old man has. Selling the team, would be my hope, before number 3 is calling the shots. The team could go 40-122, but hey, "how about those Mo and Girsch Bobblehead nights"! My fear is we do all this rebuilding, and right before takeoff, Fredo takes the reigns. No one here knows exactly what type of owner he will be, but his past comments certainly don't leave me feeling all rosy about the future of our Birds.rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Feb 2026 13:22 pmNo Alex this is all BDWJr's plan.Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑24 Feb 2026 13:04 pm It seems to me there is a transition occurring. The way Junior built the team will look significantly different than the 3s model.
I personally think the III is behind a lot of this new direction.
He's the baseball man having grown up in the game under the guidance of his father (former GM/even a part owner).
He went on scouting trips w/his Father and knows the game.
He's the one who decide it was time to get back to the Cardinals roots which is drafting & player development, something he instituted once before when he hired J. Luhnow. Got away from under Mo.
BDWIII (aka Fredo) runs the business side. He has zero to very little to do w/the baseball side nor does he show much interest in it.
This re-shuffle, new direction back to the old direction is 100% BDWJr.
That’s fair.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑24 Feb 2026 11:56 am
I'm still concerned about this "foundation" building itself from the bat side. We just don't have the quantity of elite prospects on the hitting side to rebuild our MOTO to a high caliber playoff level internally. Are we going to wait to slowly draft and develop thosewhile we watch our existing MI talent begin to age out? Or are going to start trading for existing Mike Sirota/Spencer Jones/Xavier Isaac/Roman Anthony types, but if so, how? We've already spent our veteran trade capital and the Crown jewel Donovan mostly on high risk/hopefully high reward pitching.
First of all rocko has no idea of what he's talking about. Second of all the fredo thing is retarded. These are billionaire businessmen who are very astute when it comes to financials. And if they're not, they can afford to hire the best in the business. Btw bobbleheads are sponsored. Don't be a dope.zuck698 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2026 16:17 pmRock, with Jr. being 84, my fear is "Fredo" could take over at any time! That is a scary thought as I just don't see the love for baseball, when he speaks, like his old man has. Selling the team, would be my hope, before number 3 is calling the shots. The team could go 40-122, but hey, "how about those Mo and Girsch Bobblehead nights"! My fear is we do all this rebuilding, and right before takeoff, Fredo takes the reigns. No one here knows exactly what type of owner he will be, but his past comments certainly don't leave me feeling all rosy about the future of our Birds.rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Feb 2026 13:22 pmNo Alex this is all BDWJr's plan.Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑24 Feb 2026 13:04 pm It seems to me there is a transition occurring. The way Junior built the team will look significantly different than the 3s model.
I personally think the III is behind a lot of this new direction.
He's the baseball man having grown up in the game under the guidance of his father (former GM/even a part owner).
He went on scouting trips w/his Father and knows the game.
He's the one who decide it was time to get back to the Cardinals roots which is drafting & player development, something he instituted once before when he hired J. Luhnow. Got away from under Mo.
BDWIII (aka Fredo) runs the business side. He has zero to very little to do w/the baseball side nor does he show much interest in it.
This re-shuffle, new direction back to the old direction is 100% BDWJr.
Using the word "retarded" in this day and age, yeah, I am the dope. Secondly, if you were not such a Troll, you would see the post had nothing to do with being able to manage money! It was more the fear that he won't spend any of the money when he takes the reigns from his father. I should have known that keeping you blocked, makes for a more enjoyable experience here! You have fun with your trolling now, tough guy behind the keyboard. I am sure you will have a very well thought out and intelligent post in retortriff raff wrote: ↑24 Feb 2026 17:58 pmFirst of all rocko has no idea of what he's talking about. Second of all the fredo thing is retarded. These are billionaire businessmen who are very astute when it comes to financials. And if they're not, they can afford to hire the best in the business. Btw bobbleheads are sponsored. Don't be a dope.zuck698 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2026 16:17 pmRock, with Jr. being 84, my fear is "Fredo" could take over at any time! That is a scary thought as I just don't see the love for baseball, when he speaks, like his old man has. Selling the team, would be my hope, before number 3 is calling the shots. The team could go 40-122, but hey, "how about those Mo and Girsch Bobblehead nights"! My fear is we do all this rebuilding, and right before takeoff, Fredo takes the reigns. No one here knows exactly what type of owner he will be, but his past comments certainly don't leave me feeling all rosy about the future of our Birds.rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Feb 2026 13:22 pmNo Alex this is all BDWJr's plan.Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑24 Feb 2026 13:04 pm It seems to me there is a transition occurring. The way Junior built the team will look significantly different than the 3s model.
I personally think the III is behind a lot of this new direction.
He's the baseball man having grown up in the game under the guidance of his father (former GM/even a part owner).
He went on scouting trips w/his Father and knows the game.
He's the one who decide it was time to get back to the Cardinals roots which is drafting & player development, something he instituted once before when he hired J. Luhnow. Got away from under Mo.
BDWIII (aka Fredo) runs the business side. He has zero to very little to do w/the baseball side nor does he show much interest in it.
This re-shuffle, new direction back to the old direction is 100% BDWJr.
, but I certainly won't see it. Oh, and Rock knows more about baseball than you ever will! At least he knows how to post respectfully, without being such a donkey like you! Bye....ok bye bye , what will I do?zuck698 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2026 18:38 pmUsing the word "retarded" in this day and age, yeah, I am the dope. Secondly, if you were not such a Troll, you would see the post had nothing to do with being able to manage money! It was more the fear that he won't spend any of the money when he takes the reigns from his father. I should have known that keeping you blocked, makes for a more enjoyable experience here! You have fun with your trolling now, tough guy behind the keyboard. I am sure you will have a very well thought out and intelligent post in retortriff raff wrote: ↑24 Feb 2026 17:58 pmFirst of all rocko has no idea of what he's talking about. Second of all the fredo thing is retarded. These are billionaire businessmen who are very astute when it comes to financials. And if they're not, they can afford to hire the best in the business. Btw bobbleheads are sponsored. Don't be a dope.zuck698 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2026 16:17 pmRock, with Jr. being 84, my fear is "Fredo" could take over at any time! That is a scary thought as I just don't see the love for baseball, when he speaks, like his old man has. Selling the team, would be my hope, before number 3 is calling the shots. The team could go 40-122, but hey, "how about those Mo and Girsch Bobblehead nights"! My fear is we do all this rebuilding, and right before takeoff, Fredo takes the reigns. No one here knows exactly what type of owner he will be, but his past comments certainly don't leave me feeling all rosy about the future of our Birds.rockondlouie wrote: ↑24 Feb 2026 13:22 pmNo Alex this is all BDWJr's plan.Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑24 Feb 2026 13:04 pm It seems to me there is a transition occurring. The way Junior built the team will look significantly different than the 3s model.
I personally think the III is behind a lot of this new direction.
He's the baseball man having grown up in the game under the guidance of his father (former GM/even a part owner).
He went on scouting trips w/his Father and knows the game.
He's the one who decide it was time to get back to the Cardinals roots which is drafting & player development, something he instituted once before when he hired J. Luhnow. Got away from under Mo.
BDWIII (aka Fredo) runs the business side. He has zero to very little to do w/the baseball side nor does he show much interest in it.
This re-shuffle, new direction back to the old direction is 100% BDWJr.
