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How long does JJ stay in STL

Posted: 16 Jan 2026 07:20 am
by sikeston bulldog2
Good morning.

Heres one I haven’t seen.
With Tucker and Dodgers on my mind, How long does the great JJ stay in the Lou. He hasn’t played a day yet, yet some nut, me, is talking leaving.

Someone here Can brief the board reference time on station. Six year ish?

Just think. Soon, we will be talking extensions or resigning. Then we will be talking trades and signings elsewhere. Then we will be talking about the return for JJ.

If he becomes all the board says he will, ROY, batting champ MVP, wouldn’t he be a prized candidate for a Dodger like team.

There ya go.

Re: How long does JJ stay in STL

Posted: 16 Jan 2026 07:23 am
by ClassicO
As soon as he's a FA the Dodgers will sign him :D

Re: How long does JJ stay in STL

Posted: 16 Jan 2026 07:25 am
by Jatalk
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 16 Jan 2026 07:20 am Good morning.

Heres one I haven’t seen.
With Tucker and Dodgers on my mind, How long does the great JJ stay in the Lou. He hasn’t played a day yet, yet some nut, me, is talking leaving.

Someone here Can brief the board reference time on station. Six year ish?

Just think. Soon, we will be talking extensions or resigning. Then we will be talking trades and signings elsewhere. Then we will be talking about the return for JJ.

If he becomes all the board says he will, ROY, batting champ MVP, wouldn’t he be a prized candidate for a Dodger like team.

There ya go.
I’m going to wait until he plays one or two ML games before I worry about this 😊

Re: How long does JJ stay in STL

Posted: 16 Jan 2026 07:27 am
by sikeston bulldog2
ClassicO wrote: 16 Jan 2026 07:23 am As soon as he's a FA the Dodgers will sign him :D
Well as of today in the industry that seems like a fair possibility. And that’s my point. At the time, several big market teams will be in the mix. Chances are he moves.

I’m just looking way ahead, five years, rebuild complete, level of team competitiveness

Re: How long does JJ stay in STL

Posted: 16 Jan 2026 07:28 am
by Talkin' Baseball
Let's see when he arrives.

Re: How long does JJ stay in STL

Posted: 16 Jan 2026 07:30 am
by sikeston bulldog2
Jatalk wrote: 16 Jan 2026 07:25 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 16 Jan 2026 07:20 am Good morning.

Heres one I haven’t seen.
With Tucker and Dodgers on my mind, How long does the great JJ stay in the Lou. He hasn’t played a day yet, yet some nut, me, is talking leaving.

Someone here Can brief the board reference time on station. Six year ish?

Just think. Soon, we will be talking extensions or resigning. Then we will be talking trades and signings elsewhere. Then we will be talking about the return for JJ.

If he becomes all the board says he will, ROY, batting champ MVP, wouldn’t he be a prized candidate for a Dodger like team.

There ya go.
I’m going to wait until he plays one or two ML games before I worry about this 😊
I know. Many years. Idle thought on a cold January morning.
But as a GM, as an org, they are already looking ahead. I wonder what they think.

For instance- do we say, we will be competitive in 2027-28 time frame with JJ. Does JJ leaving indicate another down turn.

Musings.

Re: How long does JJ stay in STL

Posted: 16 Jan 2026 07:31 am
by sikeston bulldog2
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 16 Jan 2026 07:28 am Let's see when he arrives.
I know. That will be the over arching comment on the thread. Trying to promote conversation.

Re: How long does JJ stay in STL

Posted: 16 Jan 2026 07:41 am
by shebashab
Small market teams (including St louis ) used to be able to make a calculated decision on who to keep. Those days are gone. The gap between the revenue for Dodgers and Cardinals would cover the complete Dodgers payroll and luxury tax. Small market teams can no longer play in that pool. If a large market team wants a player there is nothing the Cardinals will be able to do to stop it. We are watching the implosion of the countries greatest game. For those who say its always been this way... you should educate yourself.

Re: How long does JJ stay in STL

Posted: 16 Jan 2026 07:47 am
by mattmitchl44
If the Cardinals believe Wetherholt is going to be as good as expected, they should be trying to sign him now to an 8 yr. deal + 1-2 team option years - a Jackson Chourio kind of deal.

Some fans want to see a player "earn it" before getting such an offer, but the reality of baseball in 2026 is that taking risks like this are the only kinds of deals where teams have the potential to "win big" in term of getting a lot more production than they are paying for in salary.

And if you are going to ever compete with the Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, etc., a team like the Cardinals has to have guys signed to contracts where they are "winning big."

The team would have to get such a deal done at the right price, given the risk, but they should be actively seeing if they can find a deal that works.

Re: How long does JJ stay in STL

Posted: 16 Jan 2026 07:49 am
by sikeston bulldog2
mattmitchl44 wrote: 16 Jan 2026 07:47 am If the Cardinals believe Wetherholt is going to be as good as expected, they should be trying to sign him now to an 8 yr. deal + 1-2 team option years - a Jackson Chourio kind of deal.

Some fans want to see a player "earn it" before getting such an offer, but the reality of baseball in 2026 is that taking risks like this are the only kinds of deals where teams have the potential to "win big" in term of getting a lot more production than they are paying for in salary.

And if you are going to ever compete with the Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, etc., a team like the Cardinals has to have guys signed to contracts where they are "winning big."
Exactly the direction I was headed. So if we don’t lock him up, he’s gone in how many years?

Re: How long does JJ stay in STL

Posted: 16 Jan 2026 08:32 am
by ramfandan
mattmitchl44 wrote: 16 Jan 2026 07:47 am If the Cardinals believe Wetherholt is going to be as good as expected, they should be trying to sign him now to an 8 yr. deal + 1-2 team option years - a Jackson Chourio kind of deal.

Some fans want to see a player "earn it" before getting such an offer, but the reality of baseball in 2026 is that taking risks like this are the only kinds of deals where teams have the potential to "win big" in term of getting a lot more production than they are paying for in salary.

And if you are going to ever compete with the Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, etc., a team like the Cardinals has to have guys signed to contracts where they are "winning big."

The team would have to get such a deal done at the right price, given the risk, but they should be actively seeing if they can find a deal that works.
You understand the landscape today. If Bloom feels JJ is the guy for the future, he will attempt to sign him long term early in his Cardinal career buying out a couple arb years to do it .

Re: How long does JJ stay in STL

Posted: 16 Jan 2026 08:49 am
by rockondlouie
IF he's the player most around MLB think he'll be, then I'm on board w/our friend matt on this one.

After his second season if he's the real deal, then lock him down for 8-10 years.

And yes, I think BDWJr would do this and the offer would be market value.

But let's let him get his first MLB PA's before we go too far down this road BDog. :wink:

Re: How long does JJ stay in STL

Posted: 16 Jan 2026 08:53 am
by sikeston bulldog2
rockondlouie wrote: 16 Jan 2026 08:49 am IF he's the player most around MLB think he'll be, then I'm on board w/our friend matt on this one.

After his second season if he's the real deal, then lock him down for 8-10 years.

And yes, I think BDWJr would do this and the offer would be market value.

But let's let him get his first MLB PA"s before we go too far down this road BDog. :wink:
I hear ya. Two points. I’m looking ahead if he becomes that guy- ROY candidate. Can we afford him.

If you give him two years, might his production out pace his desire to extend or sign long term. That seems like playing it too safe.

It might take a gamble. After rookie season…

Re: How long does JJ stay in STL

Posted: 16 Jan 2026 08:58 am
by 11WSChamps
mattmitchl44 wrote: 16 Jan 2026 07:47 am If the Cardinals believe Wetherholt is going to be as good as expected, they should be trying to sign him now to an 8 yr. deal + 1-2 team option years - a Jackson Chourio kind of deal.

Some fans want to see a player "earn it" before getting such an offer, but the reality of baseball in 2026 is that taking risks like this are the only kinds of deals where teams have the potential to "win big" in term of getting a lot more production than they are paying for in salary.

And if you are going to ever compete with the Dodgers, Mets, Yankees, etc., a team like the Cardinals has to have guys signed to contracts where they are "winning big."

The team would have to get such a deal done at the right price, given the risk, but they should be actively seeing if they can find a deal that works.
In other words you're asking the impossible.

Re: How long does JJ stay in STL

Posted: 16 Jan 2026 09:00 am
by rockondlouie
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 16 Jan 2026 08:53 am
rockondlouie wrote: 16 Jan 2026 08:49 am IF he's the player most around MLB think he'll be, then I'm on board w/our friend matt on this one.

After his second season if he's the real deal, then lock him down for 8-10 years.

And yes, I think BDWJr would do this and the offer would be market value.

But let's let him get his first MLB PA"s before we go too far down this road BDog. :wink:
I hear ya. Two points. I’m looking ahead if he becomes that guy- ROY candidate. Can we afford him.

If you give him two years, might his production out pace his desire to extend or sign long term. That seems like playing it too safe.

It might take a gamble. After rookie season…
YES

BDWJR has the resources to afford any player except the insanely out of everyone but the Dodgers/Mets world (re: Ohtani, Soto and now Tucker).

JJW won't command that big of a deal even if he's ROY and a second season all star.

I wait till after his Sophomore season so we have a true read on him, no need to rush after his rookie year.

Re: How long does JJ stay in STL

Posted: 16 Jan 2026 09:04 am
by sikeston bulldog2
rockondlouie wrote: 16 Jan 2026 09:00 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 16 Jan 2026 08:53 am
rockondlouie wrote: 16 Jan 2026 08:49 am IF he's the player most around MLB think he'll be, then I'm on board w/our friend matt on this one.

After his second season if he's the real deal, then lock him down for 8-10 years.

And yes, I think BDWJr would do this and the offer would be market value.

But let's let him get his first MLB PA"s before we go too far down this road BDog. :wink:
I hear ya. Two points. I’m looking ahead if he becomes that guy- ROY candidate. Can we afford him.

If you give him two years, might his production out pace his desire to extend or sign long term. That seems like playing it too safe.

It might take a gamble. After rookie season…
YES

BDWJR has the resources to afford any player except the insanely out of everyone but the Dodgers/Mets world (re: Ohtani, Soto and now Tucker).

JJW won't command that big of a deal even if he's ROY and a second season all star.

I wait till after his Sophomore season so we have a true read on him, no need to rush after his rookie year.
I still hear ya. Heres my selfish thought. If I have a good rookie season, might I bet on myself to sustain that production for 4-5 years, and then cash in big time.

Why would I not think that way? Well two thoughts. One, I might not sustain, two, injuries.

Gamble. That’s when/where you find your studs.