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OldRed wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 08:15 am https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/be ... e68f&ei=30

I’m old and my memory is bad. My question on all these guys is did they leave the team better off than where they found it. Sounds like Devine did but what do you think?

Mo? Absolutely not. I question what he built? Thoughts?

Jatalk wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 08:34 am

OldRed wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 08:15 am https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/be ... e68f&ei=30

I’m old and my memory is bad. My question on all these guys is did they leave the team better off than where they found it. Sounds like Devine did but what do you think?

Mo? Absolutely not. I question what he built? Thoughts?

https://retrosimba.com/2014/08/15/why-g ... ship-year/

OldRed wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 08:45 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 08:34 am

OldRed wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 08:15 am https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/be ... e68f&ei=30

I’m old and my memory is bad. My question on all these guys is did they leave the team better off than where they found it. Sounds like Devine did but what do you think?

Mo? Absolutely not. I question what he built? Thoughts?

https://retrosimba.com/2014/08/15/why-g ... ship-year/

Good informative article. Thanks. Let’s put Devine in. I’m still a no on Mo.

Just Bing-skip the mo-No More mo!

MO leaves this org at the absolute bottom of a 30 yr timeline…..and people are seriously thinking of honoring him???
ALL his success was due to TLR, Dunc, Luhnow…..after those fellas were gone and attrition left the team with just MO he guided the St. Louis Cardinals to an embarrassing disaster……

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:20 am MO leaves this org at the absolute bottom of a 30 yr timeline…..and people are seriously thinking of honoring him???
ALL his success was due to TLR, Dunc, Luhnow…..after those fellas were gone and attrition left the team with just MO he guided the St. Louis Cardinals to an embarrassing disaster……

I'm sorry, but that's wrong, Goldfan. Mo had almost 30 years with the Cardinals, and had a hand in a number of the successes over those years. He contributed while performing a number of jobs at different levels. I'm not a fan of what transpired over the past few years, but I'll give a degree of credit where credit is due to a long standing employee.

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:37 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:20 am MO leaves this org at the absolute bottom of a 30 yr timeline…..and people are seriously thinking of honoring him???
ALL his success was due to TLR, Dunc, Luhnow…..after those fellas were gone and attrition left the team with just MO he guided the St. Louis Cardinals to an embarrassing disaster……

I'm sorry, but that's wrong, Goldfan. Mo had almost 30 years with the Cardinals, and had a hand in a number of the successes over those years. He contributed while performing a number of jobs at different levels. I'm not a fan of what transpired over the past few years, but I'll give a degree of credit where credit is due to a long standing employee.

He was a good as a staffer but not top-level executive. Some guys thrive in a support role but don’t have what it takes to be the boss and leader. Despite early success I think he fits the description.

As many have pointed out, by the time the TLR/Duncan remnant was gone, the team regressed sporadically and ultimately landed at rock bottom. Even with ownership providing a good payroll.

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:37 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:20 am MO leaves this org at the absolute bottom of a 30 yr timeline…..and people are seriously thinking of honoring him???
ALL his success was due to TLR, Dunc, Luhnow…..after those fellas were gone and attrition left the team with just MO he guided the St. Louis Cardinals to an embarrassing disaster……

I'm sorry, but that's wrong, Goldfan. Mo had almost 30 years with the Cardinals, and had a hand in a number of the successes over those years. He contributed while performing a number of jobs at different levels. I'm not a fan of what transpired over the past few years, but I'll give a degree of credit where credit is due to a long standing employee.

Whatever success you wish to attribute to him….the gigantic historic hole he left the org will be his lasting legacy. This team might not avg over 20K in attendance next season…..the ultimate barometer
And it’s an undeniable fact that when he and BDW decided they were going to exclusively captain the ship it slowly took on water and has now finally sunk

OldRed wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 08:15 am https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/be ... e68f&ei=30

I predict Baghdad Bob will be here to say Mo-ran was awesome!!

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:53 am

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:37 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:20 am MO leaves this org at the absolute bottom of a 30 yr timeline…..and people are seriously thinking of honoring him???
ALL his success was due to TLR, Dunc, Luhnow…..after those fellas were gone and attrition left the team with just MO he guided the St. Louis Cardinals to an embarrassing disaster……

I'm sorry, but that's wrong, Goldfan. Mo had almost 30 years with the Cardinals, and had a hand in a number of the successes over those years. He contributed while performing a number of jobs at different levels. I'm not a fan of what transpired over the past few years, but I'll give a degree of credit where credit is due to a long standing employee.

Whatever success you wish to attribute to him….the gigantic historic hole he left the org will be his lasting legacy. This team might not avg over 20K in attendance next season…..the ultimate barometer
And it’s an undeniable fact that when he and BDW decided they were going to exclusively captain the ship it slowly took on water and has now finally sunk

Sorry, Goldfan, but I'll honor any 30 year Cardinal employee.

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:37 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:20 am MO leaves this org at the absolute bottom of a 30 yr timeline…..and people are seriously thinking of honoring him???
ALL his success was due to TLR, Dunc, Luhnow…..after those fellas were gone and attrition left the team with just MO he guided the St. Louis Cardinals to an embarrassing disaster……

I'm sorry, but that's wrong, Goldfan. Mo had almost 30 years with the Cardinals, and had a hand in a number of the successes over those years. He contributed while performing a number of jobs at different levels. I'm not a fan of what transpired over the past few years, but I'll give a degree of credit where credit is due to a long standing employee.

Benedict Arnold was an excellent officer for the Continental Army before he started giving secrets to the British. He had a hand in a number of successes in the early years, he contributed to several military victories. I’m not a fan of what transpired before he was hanged, but I think we should honor him because we killed him before he could achieve his goals late in his career.

Rojo Johnson wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 10:15 am

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:37 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:20 am MO leaves this org at the absolute bottom of a 30 yr timeline…..and people are seriously thinking of honoring him???
ALL his success was due to TLR, Dunc, Luhnow…..after those fellas were gone and attrition left the team with just MO he guided the St. Louis Cardinals to an embarrassing disaster……

I'm sorry, but that's wrong, Goldfan. Mo had almost 30 years with the Cardinals, and had a hand in a number of the successes over those years. He contributed while performing a number of jobs at different levels. I'm not a fan of what transpired over the past few years, but I'll give a degree of credit where credit is due to a long standing employee.

Benedict Arnold was an excellent officer for the Continental Army before he started giving secrets to the British. He had a hand in a number of successes in the early years, he contributed to several military victories. I’m not a fan of what transpired before he was hanged, but I think we should honor him because we killed him before he could achieve his goals late in his career.

Ridiculous comparison.

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:53 am

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:37 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:20 am MO leaves this org at the absolute bottom of a 30 yr timeline…..and people are seriously thinking of honoring him???
ALL his success was due to TLR, Dunc, Luhnow…..after those fellas were gone and attrition left the team with just MO he guided the St. Louis Cardinals to an embarrassing disaster……

I'm sorry, but that's wrong, Goldfan. Mo had almost 30 years with the Cardinals, and had a hand in a number of the successes over those years. He contributed while performing a number of jobs at different levels. I'm not a fan of what transpired over the past few years, but I'll give a degree of credit where credit is due to a long standing employee.

Whatever success you wish to attribute to him….the gigantic historic hole he left the org will be his lasting legacy. This team might not avg over 20K in attendance next season…..the ultimate barometer
And it’s an undeniable fact that when he and BDW decided they were going to exclusively captain the ship it slowly took on water and has now finally sunk

GF,

I think you and Cranny both have valid points. Though the organization is in a rough spot right now, Mo also oversaw one of the finest eras of Cardinals baseball. Sure you ascribe some of that success to Jocketty, LaRussa, etc. (no argument here), but he was still the head of the organization and will be attributed those achievements. As much as I hate where we are today, I still recognize our great decade plus long run.

I think with time Mo will be recognized/received better than he is today. The current state is too fresh, but with time (and a return to prominence), I think Cards fans will look back more favorably on his tenure.

Rojo Johnson wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 10:15 am

Cranny wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:37 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑31 Dec 2025 09:20 am MO leaves this org at the absolute bottom of a 30 yr timeline…..and people are seriously thinking of honoring him???
ALL his success was due to TLR, Dunc, Luhnow…..after those fellas were gone and attrition left the team with just MO he guided the St. Louis Cardinals to an embarrassing disaster……

I'm sorry, but that's wrong, Goldfan. Mo had almost 30 years with the Cardinals, and had a hand in a number of the successes over those years. He contributed while performing a number of jobs at different levels. I'm not a fan of what transpired over the past few years, but I'll give a degree of credit where credit is due to a long standing employee.

Benedict Arnold was an excellent officer for the Continental Army before he started giving secrets to the British. He had a hand in a number of successes in the early years, he contributed to several military victories. I’m not a fan of what transpired before he was hanged, but I think we should honor him because we killed him before he could achieve his goals late in his career.

Excellent example...you'll be hearing from someone with NO business experience...I'm guessing someone who worked in government and, like Mo-ran, could be incompetent and not be fired...probably an old, sad person.