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Overhauled the starting staff before Xmas and that equals tanking? Hmm…

And obviously Bloom isn’t done with trades and FA signings.

Also, he traded a 34 year old and a 37 year old, with 2 and 1 years remaining respectively. And he still want to trade a floundering Arenado.

Lol. Some of you guys are acting like he’s trading Rolen-Pujols-Edmonds circa ‘03….

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 10:58 am Overhauled the starting staff before Xmas and that equals tanking? Hmm…

And obviously Bloom isn’t done with trades and FA signings.

Also, he traded a 34 year old and a 37 year old, with 2 and 1 years remaining respectively. And he still want to trade a floundering Arenado.

Lol. Some of you guys are acting like he’s trading Rolen-Pujols-Edmonds circa ‘03….

I dig the Dustin May move. The other guys? We already had plenty of #5 starters that might or might not even reach 130 innings.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 10:58 am Overhauled the starting staff before Xmas and that equals tanking? Hmm…

And obviously Bloom isn’t done with trades and FA signings.

Also, he traded a 34 year old and a 37 year old, with 2 and 1 years remaining respectively. And he still want to trade a floundering Arenado.

Lol. Some of you guys are acting like he’s trading Rolen-Pujols-Edmonds circa ‘03….

He will also sign another veteran starter

Not sure why some people think this team is a contender for anything. This off-season is about disposing as many contracts and/or valuable assets as possible. There will be a lockout next year and the end result will be a significantly different MLB landscape. Not to mention the terrible shape Mozeliak left the organization in.

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:00 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 10:58 am Overhauled the starting staff before Xmas and that equals tanking? Hmm…

And obviously Bloom isn’t done with trades and FA signings.

Also, he traded a 34 year old and a 37 year old, with 2 and 1 years remaining respectively. And he still want to trade a floundering Arenado.

Lol. Some of you guys are acting like he’s trading Rolen-Pujols-Edmonds circa ‘03….

I dig the Dustin May move. The other guys? We already had plenty of #5 starters that might or might not even reach 130 innings.

Is Gray a 5th starter?

2025 starter ERAs
McGreevy 4.70
Libby 4.21
Gray 4.28
Dobbins 4.13

So Dobbins was on track for a better season before injury.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:05 am

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:00 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 10:58 am Overhauled the starting staff before Xmas and that equals tanking? Hmm…

And obviously Bloom isn’t done with trades and FA signings.

Also, he traded a 34 year old and a 37 year old, with 2 and 1 years remaining respectively. And he still want to trade a floundering Arenado.

Lol. Some of you guys are acting like he’s trading Rolen-Pujols-Edmonds circa ‘03….

I dig the Dustin May move. The other guys? We already had plenty of #5 starters that might or might not even reach 130 innings.

Is Gray a 5th starter?

2025 starter ERAs
McGreevy 4.70
Libby 4.21
Gray 4.28
Dobbins 4.13

So Dobbins was on track for a better season before injury.

?? Gray is not a factor as he's no longer here. Or are you saying they shouldn't have traded him?

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:10 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:05 am

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:00 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 10:58 am Overhauled the starting staff before Xmas and that equals tanking? Hmm…

And obviously Bloom isn’t done with trades and FA signings.

Also, he traded a 34 year old and a 37 year old, with 2 and 1 years remaining respectively. And he still want to trade a floundering Arenado.

Lol. Some of you guys are acting like he’s trading Rolen-Pujols-Edmonds circa ‘03….

I dig the Dustin May move. The other guys? We already had plenty of #5 starters that might or might not even reach 130 innings.

Is Gray a 5th starter?

2025 starter ERAs
McGreevy 4.70
Libby 4.21
Gray 4.28
Dobbins 4.13

So Dobbins was on track for a better season before injury.

?? Gray is not a factor as he's no longer here. Or are you saying they shouldn't have traded him?

I’m showing you the Cards traded Gray for a player with a better ERA.

So while you’re implying the team is getting worse, you could argue the team improved from the trades.

Arbitrary assignments aside, everybody's your #1 starter on the day they pitch.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:12 am

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:10 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:05 am

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:00 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 10:58 am Overhauled the starting staff before Xmas and that equals tanking? Hmm…

And obviously Bloom isn’t done with trades and FA signings.

Also, he traded a 34 year old and a 37 year old, with 2 and 1 years remaining respectively. And he still want to trade a floundering Arenado.

Lol. Some of you guys are acting like he’s trading Rolen-Pujols-Edmonds circa ‘03….

I dig the Dustin May move. The other guys? We already had plenty of #5 starters that might or might not even reach 130 innings.

Is Gray a 5th starter?

2025 starter ERAs
McGreevy 4.70
Libby 4.21
Gray 4.28
Dobbins 4.13

So Dobbins was on track for a better season before injury.

?? Gray is not a factor as he's no longer here. Or are you saying they shouldn't have traded him?

I’m showing you the Cards traded Gray for a player with a better ERA.

So while you’re implying the team is getting worse, you could argue the team improved from the trades.

I mean, it's slightly better I guess, but not guaranteed to continue to be better. But I haven't spoken out against any trades. At all. I get it, despite others speaking for me. Out with the old, in with the new is always strategically sound. Sports is a young man's game. Doesn't mean it's the only strategy either. Otherwise, why would we even need a GM?

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:19 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:12 am

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:10 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:05 am

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:00 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 10:58 am Overhauled the starting staff before Xmas and that equals tanking? Hmm…

And obviously Bloom isn’t done with trades and FA signings.

Also, he traded a 34 year old and a 37 year old, with 2 and 1 years remaining respectively. And he still want to trade a floundering Arenado.

Lol. Some of you guys are acting like he’s trading Rolen-Pujols-Edmonds circa ‘03….

I dig the Dustin May move. The other guys? We already had plenty of #5 starters that might or might not even reach 130 innings.

Is Gray a 5th starter?

2025 starter ERAs
McGreevy 4.70
Libby 4.21
Gray 4.28
Dobbins 4.13

So Dobbins was on track for a better season before injury.

?? Gray is not a factor as he's no longer here. Or are you saying they shouldn't have traded him?

I’m showing you the Cards traded Gray for a player with a better ERA.

So while you’re implying the team is getting worse, you could argue the team improved from the trades.

I mean, it's slightly better I guess, but not guaranteed to continue to be better. But I haven't spoken out against any trades. At all. I get it, despite others speaking for me. Out with the old, in with the new is always strategically sound. Sports is a young man's game. Doesn't mean it's the only strategy either. Otherwise, why would we even need a GM?

Well, you just referred to Dobbins and Fitts as number 5 starters, when Dobbins had a better ERA than our ace in 2025.

Also, Fitts isn’t a world beater, but I would put money on him being an improvement over Pallante and maybe Miko.


As I said, when did adding three starters = not trying?

Charlie Smoke wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:16 am Arbitrary assignments aside, everybody's your #1 starter on the day they pitch.

Except when your #5 types" pitch against actual #1, #2, and #3 types daily, that's a problem!

Ok, initially I looked at Dobbins, only, and didn’t like the deal. The guy has tore his ACL twice and had Tommy John surgery. As the main piece coming back it is a very risky move. Also he only profiles as a #4 at best. Then I looked closer at the other two players. I listened to Bloom’s presser and to Bernie’s thoughts about the deal. Everyone is high on Fajardo. He evidently does have some upside, it’s just going to take a few seasons for him to be ready. However, the Cardinals have several other pitchers who are near ready that they don’t need him immediately. The other player, is more of a lottery ticket, but is progressing in the right direction.
I liked what Bloom said about Dobbins. Hunter’s secondary pitches aren’t his problem, it’s his fastball. Teams hit .317 or so off of it, and had a high slugging percentage against it. Bloom seems to think that they can readjust his usage of pitches and make that 95 mph pitch more effective. I’m willing to give that a chance. However, he still has to stay healthy, and injury free.
I still don’t like the May signing! Dewitt is only going to allot so much money for the 2026 season, and we aren’t sure how much that will be. Bloom just spent over 12 million of that figure on a pitcher who has “ never” been able to stay healthy. When he pitches, his stuff is nasty, but he just can’t stay healthy. With limited resources, I feel it was unwise move to make for a team that needs innings from their starters! I think too many of you are only seeing what he can do when he’s healthy. The fact is, he's seldom ever healthy!
Now Bloom adds Dobbins to the mix who also has had injury issues.
In Bloom’s presser, he stated that he’s still looking to add a veteran starter, who can add innings. Whoever this pitcher is will be key. He needs to be a reliable pitcher who doesn’t have a history of being injured a lot!
I hope, if he deals Donovan, that the return is at least one power bat.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:26 am

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:19 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:12 am

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:10 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:05 am

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:00 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 10:58 am Overhauled the starting staff before Xmas and that equals tanking? Hmm…

And obviously Bloom isn’t done with trades and FA signings.

Also, he traded a 34 year old and a 37 year old, with 2 and 1 years remaining respectively. And he still want to trade a floundering Arenado.

Lol. Some of you guys are acting like he’s trading Rolen-Pujols-Edmonds circa ‘03….

I dig the Dustin May move. The other guys? We already had plenty of #5 starters that might or might not even reach 130 innings.

Is Gray a 5th starter?

2025 starter ERAs
McGreevy 4.70
Libby 4.21
Gray 4.28
Dobbins 4.13

So Dobbins was on track for a better season before injury.

?? Gray is not a factor as he's no longer here. Or are you saying they shouldn't have traded him?

I’m showing you the Cards traded Gray for a player with a better ERA.

So while you’re implying the team is getting worse, you could argue the team improved from the trades.

I mean, it's slightly better I guess, but not guaranteed to continue to be better. But I haven't spoken out against any trades. At all. I get it, despite others speaking for me. Out with the old, in with the new is always strategically sound. Sports is a young man's game. Doesn't mean it's the only strategy either. Otherwise, why would we even need a GM?

Well, you just referred to Dobbins and Fitts as number 5 starters, when Dobbins had a better ERA than our ace in 2025.

Also, Fitts isn’t a world beater, but I would put money on him being an improvement over Pallante and maybe Miko.


As I said, when did adding three starters = not trying?

"Our Ace". Burleson is "our Silver Slugger". Which means a bunch of nothing.

Agree on Mikolas/Pallante, but that is quite the low bar.

Rotation is certainly younger which is good!
There is upside but of course lots of questions.
And there are always health concerns!
Libby- decent first season. Can he build on it?
McGreevy- encouraging so far. First full season ahead.
May- I really like his stuff if he can stay healthy!
Pallante- probably a backup plan and BP.
Leahy- maybe a backup plan but I like him for the BP.
Fitts/Dobbins- young with team control. Health?

I’m intrigued and there hopefully are more on the way(Doyle, Mathews, etc) who have even more upside.

It's directly related to the tv deal and drop in attendance. We have no choice. I'm skeptical that Bloom was the brains behind Tampa. I wonder if it was Friedman.

We will find out but we have no choice.

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:33 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:26 am

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:19 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:12 am

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:10 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:05 am

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 11:00 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑23 Dec 2025 10:58 am Overhauled the starting staff before Xmas and that equals tanking? Hmm…

And obviously Bloom isn’t done with trades and FA signings.

Also, he traded a 34 year old and a 37 year old, with 2 and 1 years remaining respectively. And he still want to trade a floundering Arenado.

Lol. Some of you guys are acting like he’s trading Rolen-Pujols-Edmonds circa ‘03….

I dig the Dustin May move. The other guys? We already had plenty of #5 starters that might or might not even reach 130 innings.

Is Gray a 5th starter?

2025 starter ERAs
McGreevy 4.70
Libby 4.21
Gray 4.28
Dobbins 4.13

So Dobbins was on track for a better season before injury.

?? Gray is not a factor as he's no longer here. Or are you saying they shouldn't have traded him?

I’m showing you the Cards traded Gray for a player with a better ERA.

So while you’re implying the team is getting worse, you could argue the team improved from the trades.

I mean, it's slightly better I guess, but not guaranteed to continue to be better. But I haven't spoken out against any trades. At all. I get it, despite others speaking for me. Out with the old, in with the new is always strategically sound. Sports is a young man's game. Doesn't mean it's the only strategy either. Otherwise, why would we even need a GM?

Well, you just referred to Dobbins and Fitts as number 5 starters, when Dobbins had a better ERA than our ace in 2025.

Also, Fitts isn’t a world beater, but I would put money on him being an improvement over Pallante and maybe Miko.


As I said, when did adding three starters = not trying?

"Our Ace". Burleson is "our Silver Slugger". Which means a bunch of nothing.

Agree on Mikolas/Pallante, but that is quite the low bar.

Our ace was Gray.

He and Pallante are no longer in the rotation.

They were replaced with pitchers who had better eras in 2025.

So how again is this team not trying?