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Hapless. Out of position. Highly questionable arm. Balls airmailed, bouncing in the dirt, or sailing 20' wide of first base.
That is not conjecture; it is what I saw when watching him in person.
The thought is terrifying.

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:35 pm Hapless. Out of position. Highly questionable arm. Balls airmailed, bouncing in the dirt, or sailing 20' wide of first base.
That is not conjecture; it is what I saw when watching him in person.
The thought is terrifying.

He was drafted as a third basemen. I'm not sure he stands out anywhere defensively, but he should be able to play third decently. With Winn at short, you cover up a little lack of range. If he gets 600 plate appearances next year it will be because of how he hits more than how he fields.

Bob39 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:42 pm

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:35 pm Hapless. Out of position. Highly questionable arm. Balls airmailed, bouncing in the dirt, or sailing 20' wide of first base.
That is not conjecture; it is what I saw when watching him in person.
The thought is terrifying.

He was drafted as a third basemen. I'm not sure he stands out anywhere defensively, but he should be able to play third decently. With Winn at short, you cover up a little lack of range. If he gets 600 plate appearances next year it will be because of how he hits more than how he fields.

I suspect that Bloom has seen enough of Gorman in the field and at the plate to determine whether or not he thinks NG is worth reclamation. These batting stats will not carry a bad glove/arm.
AVG--.205
OPS--.666
HR--14

Bob39 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:42 pm

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:35 pm Hapless. Out of position. Highly questionable arm. Balls airmailed, bouncing in the dirt, or sailing 20' wide of first base.
That is not conjecture; it is what I saw when watching him in person.
The thought is terrifying.

He was drafted as a third basemen. I'm not sure he stands out anywhere defensively, but he should be able to play third decently. With Winn at short, you cover up a little lack of range. If he gets 600 plate appearances next year it will be because of how he hits more than how he fields.

I thought it was curious that he looked so much more natural at 2nd despite coming up as a 3b. He can move around just enough, make throws, pivot and turn double plays. Then over at 3rd he looks like an absolute block.

It's a connondrum because if you think you can build any "trade value" with him, he would appear most valuable if he could hold a decent power-streak (a lucky roll of the dice) while playing 2B. The other side of the equation is you don't want to move Wetherholt to 3B just because of Nolan Gorman.

Maybe there would be an outcome where they give Wetherholt something similar to the "Pujols treatment" for his rookie year, i.e. play a little everywhere. A little 2B, a little 3B, maybe some SS, some outfield(?CF)?

... or, maybe Nolan Gorman somehow comes into ST with some polished-off 3B skills.

Bob39 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:42 pm

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:35 pm Hapless. Out of position. Highly questionable arm. Balls airmailed, bouncing in the dirt, or sailing 20' wide of first base.
That is not conjecture; it is what I saw when watching him in person.
The thought is terrifying.

He was drafted as a third basemen. I'm not sure he stands out anywhere defensively, but he should be able to play third decently. With Winn at short, you cover up a little lack of range. If he gets 600 plate appearances next year it will be because of how he hits more than how he fields.

If Gorman starts at third, he will rank dead last defensively at that position.
Last year, playing full seasons, De La Cruz had 26 errors and CJ Abrams, 22. Gorman had 6 errors in 54 games and a fielding % of .950. He's awful.
He would, IMO, have to have a .320 BA to even break even (BR projects .235).
And lots of players have been drafted at specific positions and did not last there. It is a very long list.

Gorman may have been drafted as a 3b, but was not good in the minors. Over 20 errors in AA.

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:58 pm

Bob39 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:42 pm

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:35 pm Hapless. Out of position. Highly questionable arm. Balls airmailed, bouncing in the dirt, or sailing 20' wide of first base.
That is not conjecture; it is what I saw when watching him in person.
The thought is terrifying.

He was drafted as a third basemen. I'm not sure he stands out anywhere defensively, but he should be able to play third decently. With Winn at short, you cover up a little lack of range. If he gets 600 plate appearances next year it will be because of how he hits more than how he fields.

If Gorman starts at third, he will rank dead last defensively at that position.
Last year, playing full seasons, De La Cruz had 26 errors and CJ Abrams, 22. Gorman had 6 errors in 54 games and a fielding % of .950. He's awful.
He would, IMO, have to have a .320 BA to even break even (BR projects .235).
And lots of players have been drafted at specific positions and did not last there. It is a very long list.

He had a very bad stretch at 3B in 2025.
An eye-popping stretch actually. IF that is who he is you are absolutely correct.
He did seem to correct. I did not go through game logs to check though.

I didn't remember his other games being that bad at 3B, they weren't but it
is SSS of 20 games. He scored a 0 OAA in those as compared to a -9 in 2025.
Yipps on his throws, acclamation period, bad at 3B or something else.

You're correct though he has to hit, he not a defensive replacement.

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:35 pm Hapless. Out of position. Highly questionable arm. Balls airmailed, bouncing in the dirt, or sailing 20' wide of first base.
That is not conjecture; it is what I saw when watching him in person.
The thought is terrifying.

True, he is not a unicorn.

So many have watched, and they can't' learn.

As a DH in 22 games he had a .247 BA, .849 OPS, and a 122 OPS+. Lose the glove.

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 16:26 pm As a DH in 22 games he had a .247 BA, .849 OPS, and a 122 OPS+. Lose the glove.

And put up a fabulous .205/.296/.370/.666 line overall.
That which is true in politics is also true in baseball: when someone tells (or shows) you who they are, believe it.

The logic:

1. Gorman played 3b when Arenado was injured.
2. Gorman wasn’t good at 3b
3. Arenado will be traded this offseason.

Logic: “Gorman will play 155 games at 3b and never be benched or replaced and commit the most errors all time!”

Not true. Calm down.

Only catastrophe would be Arenado at 3rd on Opening Day

ecleme22 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 17:08 pm The logic:

1. Gorman played 3b when Arenado was injured.
2. Gorman wasn’t good at 3b
3. Arenado will be traded this offseason.

Logic: “Gorman will play 155 games at 3b and never be benched or replaced and commit the most errors all time!”

Not true. Calm down.

I am calm, thanks. I am also realistic.
His Faberge egg moment is long past. Package him and move on.

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 17:21 pm

ecleme22 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 17:08 pm The logic:

1. Gorman played 3b when Arenado was injured.
2. Gorman wasn’t good at 3b
3. Arenado will be traded this offseason.

Logic: “Gorman will play 155 games at 3b and never be benched or replaced and commit the most errors all time!”

Not true. Calm down.

I am calm, thanks. I am also realistic.
His Faberge egg moment is long past. Package him and move on.

No need to unless he's part of some creative trade involving a bunch of players.

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:35 pm Hapless. Out of position. Highly questionable arm. Balls airmailed, bouncing in the dirt, or sailing 20' wide of first base.
That is not conjecture; it is what I saw when watching him in person.
The thought is terrifying.

Slow of foot, not agile and bad back

Bob39 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:42 pm

imetsatchelpaige wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025 15:35 pm Hapless. Out of position. Highly questionable arm. Balls airmailed, bouncing in the dirt, or sailing 20' wide of first base.
That is not conjecture; it is what I saw when watching him in person.
The thought is terrifying.

He was drafted as a third basemen. I'm not sure he stands out anywhere defensively, but he should be able to play third decently. With Winn at short, you cover up a little lack of range. If he gets 600 plate appearances next year it will be because of how he hits more than how he fields.

Lol. JW was drafted as a 3rd baseman too, as was Bumbles.