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The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

I’m assuming this concerns 3 players.

WC is a veteran and a true professional. I doubt this has a significant impact on his attitude and how he performs.

Donovan seems like a mature young player. I’m sure all this trade talk impacts him but I doubt to the extent it impacts his play.

Arenado? Who cares what he thinks or his feelings.

It's a completely different world than the 80's. Deals got done and announced before anyone even knew trades were being discussed.

2ninr wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:48 am It's a completely different world than the 80's. Deals got done and announced before anyone even knew trades were being discussed.

We got a hall of famer for Templeton. Perhaps that's the way to do business.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

I seriously doubt that Bloom is saying anything publicly that he hasn’t already discussed with the player in question. He even says so in his public remarks, especially with regard to Sonny, Nado and WC, since they have NTCs.

Who cares? As long as we trade them during the offseason, their performance next year is meaningless to us. Besides, what we’re doing right now has zero to do with those trades in the 80s.

The guys with no trade clauses are known to be available because they make the most money, and Bloom also had to get their permission in order to move them. That has been made public.
As to Donovan and everyone else, the Cardinals are known to be listening to offers. There are only a few players that are said to be “ off limits “ ! There is a difference.
The NTC guys, the Cardinals want to trade, and are very flexible as to how that might look. The other players, they will trade if their demands are met, not just what the other teams are willing to give in return. For example, with Donovan, the price for acquiring him is probably pretty high. With Nootbaar, or Gorman probably not nearly as much, but still at a certain level. I’m pretty sure all of the NTC guys will be dealt, due to the amount of money each are owed. Nobody else makes that much, so the return for them will have to meet the Cardinals demands or they will be kept.

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:56 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

I seriously doubt that Bloom is saying anything publicly that he hasn’t already discussed with the player in question. He even says so in his public remarks, especially with regard to Sonny, Nado and WC, since they have NTCs.

Why make it public? Is Bloom seeking attention? HIs excuse for not getting full value for Betts was the owner publicly said to trade Betts which limited his options. Isn't he doing the same thing now by making all this public?

As The Athletic’s Katie Woo frames the situation, if the Cards can’t find the big return they want for Donovan, the team “will pivot to moving at least one of” Lars Nootbaar or Nolan Gorman. In another piece from Woo, Will Sammon, and Ken Rosenthal, Alec Burleson is another player the Cardinals won’t move “unless…blown away by an offer.”

Why broadcast all of this?

No

ALL of MLB knows the Cardinals are in rebuild mode and the FOR SALE has been hung over Busch Stadium.

S. Gray (gone), Donny and WillyC are PRIME PLAYERS and real pro's who any contender would want so it won't lower their value or moral one bit.

Nor does it hurt/help NADO's trade value since it's minimal.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:54 am

2ninr wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:48 am It's a completely different world than the 80's. Deals got done and announced before anyone even knew trades were being discussed.

We got a hall of famer for Templeton. Perhaps that's the way to do business.

Yes that one worked out in Whitey's favor. But getting Neil Allen for Hernandez was a huge blunder.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

Everyone who has any interest in baseball knew in August what the plan would be, that everyone includes the players. So having it talked about really doesn't change anything from their side.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 07:58 am

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:56 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

I seriously doubt that Bloom is saying anything publicly that he hasn’t already discussed with the player in question. He even says so in his public remarks, especially with regard to Sonny, Nado and WC, since they have NTCs.

Why make it public? Is Bloom seeking attention? HIs excuse for not getting full value for Betts was the owner publicly said to trade Betts which limited his options. Isn't he doing the same thing now by making all this public?

As The Athletic’s Katie Woo frames the situation, if the Cards can’t find the big return they want for Donovan, the team “will pivot to moving at least one of” Lars Nootbaar or Nolan Gorman. In another piece from Woo, Will Sammon, and Ken Rosenthal, Alec Burleson is another player the Cardinals won’t move “unless…blown away by an offer.”

Why broadcast all of this?

It's broadcast because, in addition to other areas, the Cardinals had become irrelevant on the trade market. There were teams that wouldn't even call the Cardinals. The Cardinals didn't call teams back, were wishy-washy about what they wanted, and indecisive. Just as the fans soured on all this, so did many other teams. Word gets around. Bloom is working publicly (and I assume privately) to open doors for the Cardinals to all teams.

I don't think publicly shopping a player decreases what other teams will offer for him. Ulitmately other teams decide what value that player has to their roster, not what value he has to the Cardinals - because the other team has to worried about 28 other potential bidders.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:22 am The main downsides of an MLB team publicly shopping a player are that it can severely damage the player's morale and performance, and it can decrease the player's trade value. This public "shopping" signals a lack of interest to the player and the rest of the league, which can lead to the player becoming disgruntled and may make other teams less willing to offer a high price in a trade.

I don't remember Herzog publicly announcing he was going to trade Templeton or Hernandez for example.

Context.

A rebuilding team is obviously trading players, and it’s not personal.

Arenado will make about 300mil. If Bloom wants to openly say he’s shopping Arenado, I think ol’ Nolan will be okay.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 07:58 am Why make it public? Is Bloom seeking attention? HIs excuse for not getting full value for Betts was the owner publicly said to trade Betts which limited his options. Isn't he doing the same thing now by making all this public?

None of these guys is Betts. Only a few teams were ever going to trade for Betts and be able to extend him. So that market was much different. The Cardinals can shop Donovan, Contreras, and to a lesser degree Arenado, widely for the best return.

12xu wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 09:00 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:54 am

2ninr wrote: ↑30 Nov 2025 06:48 am It's a completely different world than the 80's. Deals got done and announced before anyone even knew trades were being discussed.

We got a hall of famer for Templeton. Perhaps that's the way to do business.

Yes that one worked out in Whitey's favor. But getting Neil Allen for Hernandez was a huge blunder.

I was a Hernandez fan - best defensive first baseman I've seen and clutch hitter - but Hernandez himself has acknowledged he had a substance problem and that's why Whitey traded him along with a few other players. 1982 world series champions. 1983 losing record. Whitey got rid of the guys who were on drugs.