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Too injury prone to count on him for anything.zuck698 wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 14:06 pm Is this the year where the Cards finally figure out that Tink needs to be in the bullpen? He could turn out to be one heck of a closer. The guy has electric stuff but his durability is non-existent. I just don't see him ever being a major league caliber starter. Thoughts on a cold, windy day in the Lou?
Him and HerpesTalkin' Baseball wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 14:14 pm I am beginning to wonder if he will ever pitch in a major league game. Major league arm, for sure.
Re: Fangraphs Ranks Cardinals system #1zuck698 wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 14:06 pm Is this the year where the Cards finally figure out that Tink needs to be in the bullpen? He could turn out to be one heck of a closer. The guy has electric stuff but his durability is non-existent. I just don't see him ever being a major league caliber starter. Thoughts on a cold, windy day in the Lou?
He's been in our system 5 years and made 68 starts. 257 IP. Chris Carpenter did that in a single season including playoffs. If he's not starter material after 5 years of seasoning, how will he ever be?rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 14:28 pmRe: Fangraphs Ranks Cardinals system #1zuck698 wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 14:06 pm Is this the year where the Cards finally figure out that Tink needs to be in the bullpen? He could turn out to be one heck of a closer. The guy has electric stuff but his durability is non-existent. I just don't see him ever being a major league caliber starter. Thoughts on a cold, windy day in the Lou?
Post by rockondlouie » 15 Oct 2025 08:55 am
I've been saying for over two years now, turn Hence into a CLOSER!
He's got an upper 90's fastball and a great changeup, think D. Williams type.
Hopefully C. Bloom and his people do this after they exhaust every opportunity (and they may already be there) for him to still start.
Hasn't been on my radar as a potential stater for over two years carp, why I started saying convert him to a closer in 2023.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 14:40 pmHe's been in our system 5 years and made 68 starts. 257 IP. Chris Carpenter did that in a single season including playoffs. If he's not starter material after 5 years of seasoning, how will he ever be?rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 14:28 pmRe: Fangraphs Ranks Cardinals system #1zuck698 wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 14:06 pm Is this the year where the Cards finally figure out that Tink needs to be in the bullpen? He could turn out to be one heck of a closer. The guy has electric stuff but his durability is non-existent. I just don't see him ever being a major league caliber starter. Thoughts on a cold, windy day in the Lou?
Post by rockondlouie » 15 Oct 2025 08:55 am
I've been saying for over two years now, turn Hence into a CLOSER!
He's got an upper 90's fastball and a great changeup, think D. Williams type.
Hopefully C. Bloom and his people do this after they exhaust every opportunity (and they may already be there) for him to still start.
Yep - one wonders how you avoid these injury cursed types. Roby and Hjerpe and some others have had it bad too.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 14:53 pm I was all for giving him one last year to try to be a starter last season since the cardinals weren’t going to win anything anyway and he wouldn’t have helped the team anyway but he showed he can’t do it again so he should go to he bullpen. He could start in the majors in the pen next season. Although I doubt that will help him anyway with his injury history he will probably be like Reyes a few half seasons in the majors in the pen the rest of the year on the IL then out of it
Its today's pitchers. Every team goes through it with so many pitchers eventually needing TJ surgery.Carp4Cy wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 14:58 pmYep - one wonders how you avoid these injury cursed types. Roby and Hjerpe and some others have had it bad too.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 14:53 pm I was all for giving him one last year to try to be a starter last season since the cardinals weren’t going to win anything anyway and he wouldn’t have helped the team anyway but he showed he can’t do it again so he should go to he bullpen. He could start in the majors in the pen next season. Although I doubt that will help him anyway with his injury history he will probably be like Reyes a few half seasons in the majors in the pen the rest of the year on the IL then out of it
You can avoid them by going after primarily the pitch to contact losers the cardinals are used to going after. The big arms often have injury risks. Last season the cardinals had a very healthy rotation it just sucked because they didn’t have any big arms just the pitch to contact losersCarp4Cy wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 14:58 pmYep - one wonders how you avoid these injury cursed types. Roby and Hjerpe and some others have had it bad too.Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 14:53 pm I was all for giving him one last year to try to be a starter last season since the cardinals weren’t going to win anything anyway and he wouldn’t have helped the team anyway but he showed he can’t do it again so he should go to he bullpen. He could start in the majors in the pen next season. Although I doubt that will help him anyway with his injury history he will probably be like Reyes a few half seasons in the majors in the pen the rest of the year on the IL then out of it
Carp was a beast but I don't recall him ever making 68 starts in a seasonCarp4Cy wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 14:40 pmHe's been in our system 5 years and made 68 starts. 257 IP. Chris Carpenter did that in a single season including playoffs. If he's not starter material after 5 years of seasoning, how will he ever be?rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 14:28 pmRe: Fangraphs Ranks Cardinals system #1zuck698 wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 14:06 pm Is this the year where the Cards finally figure out that Tink needs to be in the bullpen? He could turn out to be one heck of a closer. The guy has electric stuff but his durability is non-existent. I just don't see him ever being a major league caliber starter. Thoughts on a cold, windy day in the Lou?
Post by rockondlouie » 15 Oct 2025 08:55 am
I've been saying for over two years now, turn Hence into a CLOSER!
He's got an upper 90's fastball and a great changeup, think D. Williams type.
Hopefully C. Bloom and his people do this after they exhaust every opportunity (and they may already be there) for him to still start.
Think I need to apologize to Carp4Cy. I looked at what he said again and realized that he was referring to innings pitched, not starts.
He's been in our system 5 years and made 68 starts.
257 IP. Chris Carpenter did that in a single season including playoffs.
Rock, I do remember you saying this back in the day, now that you mention it. Kudos! Just going for that one inning would have to decrease that stress on his arm and thus maybe the chance of staying healthy. This starting gig isn't his thing imo.rockondlouie wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 14:28 pmRe: Fangraphs Ranks Cardinals system #1zuck698 wrote: ↑26 Nov 2025 14:06 pm Is this the year where the Cards finally figure out that Tink needs to be in the bullpen? He could turn out to be one heck of a closer. The guy has electric stuff but his durability is non-existent. I just don't see him ever being a major league caliber starter. Thoughts on a cold, windy day in the Lou?
Post by rockondlouie » 15 Oct 2025 08:55 am
I've been saying for over two years now, turn Hence into a CLOSER!
He's got an upper 90's fastball and a great changeup, think D. Williams type.
Hopefully C. Bloom and his people do this after they exhaust every opportunity (and they may already be there) for him to still start.