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Jeff Passan: Cards Open for Business-Gorman may be moved, no mention of Walker?
Posted: 19 Nov 2025 02:04 am
by Bully4you
Of all the young players available to move excluding Winn and Burley, I'd keep Gorman.
Sure, he's been a dud, but he still has elite power.
I wouldn't trade him just yet, but according to Passan he's available.
I guess Walker isn't available or nobody wants him?
I'd trade Walker before parting with Gorman.
Might be another boneheaded move coming up fellas.
This could be the demise of Bloom if he gets this one wrong.
https://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/articles ... 5_43086833
Re: Jeff Passan: Cards Open for Business-Gorman may be moved, no mention of Walker?
Posted: 19 Nov 2025 05:43 am
by Talkin' Baseball
Bully4you wrote: ↑19 Nov 2025 02:04 am
Of all the young players available to move excluding Winn and Burley, I'd keep Gorman.
Sure, he's been a dud, but he still has elite power.
I wouldn't trade him just yet, but according to Passan he's available.
I guess Walker isn't available or nobody wants him?
I'd trade Walker before parting with Gorman.
Might be another boneheaded move coming up fellas.
This could be the demise of Bloom if he gets this one wrong.
https://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/articles ... 5_43086833
Bloom is in month 2 of a 5 year contract. He is nowhere near his demise.
Re: Jeff Passan: Cards Open for Business-Gorman may be moved, no mention of Walker?
Posted: 19 Nov 2025 07:32 am
by StlMike1969
Gorman is destined to be a DH/Bench power bat that is capable of 200 SO's a season. Anything in the field and he becomes an injury waiting to happen along with a severe decline in production due to stress on the body. He has back issues and pitch recognition issues. I had high hopes for him but feel the only reason he is still even in the equation is because there is not another younger power bat pushing him from the minors. He just has to do more with the time he gets. His clock is approaching midnight on being that capable every day MLB player. .205, 135 SO's and 14 HR's in 351 AB's is not going to cut it. A full season that is over 200 SO's for the chance at 25 to 30 HR's. That is too many at bats with men on base that yields no results to be an every day player. You better be a gold glove caliber defenseman at that point. 2024 he had almost exact numbers with just a few more HR's. 2023 is the season everyone holds on to hoping he can recreate it. Yet, he still hit for only a .236 average but got 27 HR's and 148 SO's.
Call him what he is. A mistake hitter that should be kept fresh for the big moments you need a big blow. Anything more than that and he becomes suspect. There is a place in MLB for that, with the right team. St. Louis is not that team right now.
Walker is in the same boat except he has not shown he can deliver the power. It is most likely going to take a couple stints at other teams before either one figures it out at least for a season or two.
Re: Jeff Passan: Cards Open for Business-Gorman may be moved, no mention of Walker?
Posted: 19 Nov 2025 07:58 am
by C-Unit
StlMike1969 wrote: ↑19 Nov 2025 07:32 am
Gorman is destined to be a DH/Bench power bat that is capable of 200 SO's a season. Anything in the field and he becomes an injury waiting to happen along with a severe decline in production due to stress on the body. He has back issues and pitch recognition issues. I had high hopes for him but feel the only reason he is still even in the equation is because there is not another younger power bat pushing him from the minors. He just has to do more with the time he gets. His clock is approaching midnight on being that capable every day MLB player. .205, 135 SO's and 14 HR's in 351 AB's is not going to cut it. A full season that is over 200 SO's for the chance at 25 to 30 HR's. That is too many at bats with men on base that yields no results to be an every day player. You better be a gold glove caliber defenseman at that point. 2024 he had almost exact numbers with just a few more HR's. 2023 is the season everyone holds on to hoping he can recreate it. Yet, he still hit for only a .236 average but got 27 HR's and 148 SO's.
Call him what he is. A mistake hitter that should be kept fresh for the big moments you need a big blow. Anything more than that and he becomes suspect. There is a place in MLB for that, with the right team. St. Louis is not that team right now.
Walker is in the same boat except he has not shown he can deliver the power. It is most likely going to take a couple stints at other teams before either one figures it out at least for a season or two.
If Gorman got off with a hot first half (20 HR before the AS break), he might become a really appealing trade piece. It would depend on the rest of our team (Donovan and Arenado both gone) for him to have the runway to do that.
Re: Jeff Passan: Cards Open for Business-Gorman may be moved, no mention of Walker?
Posted: 19 Nov 2025 08:02 am
by mattmitchl44
Bully4you wrote: ↑19 Nov 2025 02:04 am
Of all the young players available to move excluding Winn and Burley, I'd keep Gorman.
Sure, he's been a dud, but he still has elite power.
I wouldn't trade him just yet, but according to Passan he's available.
I guess Walker isn't available or nobody wants him?
I'd trade Walker before parting with Gorman.
Might be another boneheaded move coming up fellas.
This could be the demise of Bloom if he gets this one wrong.
https://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/articles ... 5_43086833
The fact that you would be a naysayer regarding any plan that the Cardinals mgmt. may be rumored to be undertaking is probably the least surprising thing I will read today.
Re: Jeff Passan: Cards Open for Business-Gorman may be moved, no mention of Walker?
Posted: 19 Nov 2025 08:18 am
by Ozziesfan41
Bully4you wrote: ↑19 Nov 2025 02:04 am
Of all the young players available to move excluding Winn and Burley, I'd keep Gorman.
Sure, he's been a dud, but he still has elite power.
I wouldn't trade him just yet, but according to Passan he's available.
I guess Walker isn't available or nobody wants him?
I'd trade Walker before parting with Gorman.
Might be another boneheaded move coming up fellas.
This could be the demise of Bloom if he gets this one wrong.
https://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/articles ... 5_43086833
Gorman is a one tool player who doesn’t hit well enough to use the one tool. I don’t know how many seasons he has to prove he sucks the love affair with Gorman is reaching the love affair levels with Carlson except Carlson had the potential to have a couple of of tools. Gorman is one tool. He’s not a guy a team builds around he sucks he’s going to suck next season also. Bloom should absolutely look at trading him instead of waiting for his value to be Carlson levels
Re: Jeff Passan: Cards Open for Business-Gorman may be moved, no mention of Walker?
Posted: 19 Nov 2025 08:20 am
by redbirdfan51
If there is a choice of keeping one of Gorman or Walker, I would choose Walker. With that said, JW could be getting his last chance to live up to his potential. He hits from the right side and that is a plus with potential power. The Cards have too many LH hitters and a crowded IF. With the arrival of the LH hitter potential super star JJ , ,I don't see a fit other than DH for Gorman. He really is a liability defensively.
Re: Jeff Passan: Cards Open for Business-Gorman may be moved, no mention of Walker?
Posted: 19 Nov 2025 08:21 am
by BrockFloodMaris
Bully4you wrote: ↑19 Nov 2025 02:04 am
Of all the young players available to move excluding Winn and Burley, I'd keep Gorman.
Sure, he's been a dud, but he still has elite power.
I wouldn't trade him just yet, but according to Passan he's available.
I guess Walker isn't available or nobody wants him?
I'd trade Walker before parting with Gorman.
Might be another boneheaded move coming up fellas.
This could be the demise of Bloom if he gets this one wrong.
https://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/articles ... 5_43086833
So, let's be clear about what we are discussing. Award winning journalist (sarcasm), Patrick McAvoy, has written a column for YardBarker about what he read/heard that Jeff Passan said about "chatter and rumors" he has heard throughout MLB. So, the Cards may be interested in trading a .198 hitter during his starting role during Arenado's IL stint who will be Arb 1 eligible after 2026? I am shocked (sarcasm)!
Re: Jeff Passan: Cards Open for Business-Gorman may be moved, no mention of Walker?
Posted: 19 Nov 2025 08:22 am
by Cusecards
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑19 Nov 2025 08:02 am
Bully4you wrote: ↑19 Nov 2025 02:04 am
Of all the young players available to move excluding Winn and Burley, I'd keep Gorman.
Sure, he's been a dud, but he still has elite power.
I wouldn't trade him just yet, but according to Passan he's available.
I guess Walker isn't available or nobody wants him?
I'd trade Walker before parting with Gorman.
Might be another boneheaded move coming up fellas.
This could be the demise of Bloom if he gets this one wrong.
https://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/articles ... 5_43086833
The fact that you would be a naysayer regarding any plan that the Cardinals mgmt. may be rumored to be undertaking is probably the least surprising thing I will read today.
+1
Exactly WHAT is Bloom to have DONE so far??????
First the WS has to end.
Then there is a grace period for FA’s.
Then you have Rule 5 decisions.
Nobody has really done anything so far.
If he waits....he’s at fault. If he jumps the gun he’s at fault.
Be very glad that certain posters don’t run this team! LOL
Generally the Winter Meetings get things rolling.
Re: Jeff Passan: Cards Open for Business-Gorman may be moved, no mention of Walker?
Posted: 19 Nov 2025 08:32 am
by Melville
Bully4you wrote: ↑19 Nov 2025 02:04 am
Of all the young players available to move excluding Winn and Burley, I'd keep Gorman.
Sure, he's been a dud, but he still has elite power.
I wouldn't trade him just yet, but according to Passan he's available.
I guess Walker isn't available or nobody wants him?
I'd trade Walker before parting with Gorman.
Might be another boneheaded move coming up fellas.
This could be the demise of Bloom if he gets this one wrong.
https://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/articles ... 5_43086833
At this point, whether Passan or others, it is all meaningless speculation and rumormongering deigned to generate clicks.
Far too soon to make assumptions concerning Bloom.
That said, you have perfectly analyzed the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION.
If there is a choice between Gorman and Walker, there is no choice at all.
Gorman is a LH hitting infielder with established 25+HR power and 80+ RBI production.
Walker is a RH hitting RF who has yet to show a high-side MLB skill - despite the obvious potential.
Now, Gorman certainly has more trade value than Walker right and STL is overloaded from the left side so I can understand the temptation.
But it would immediately be proven to be a mistake.
Re: Jeff Passan: Cards Open for Business-Gorman may be moved, no mention of Walker?
Posted: 19 Nov 2025 08:36 am
by Ozziesfan41
Melville wrote: ↑19 Nov 2025 08:32 am
Bully4you wrote: ↑19 Nov 2025 02:04 am
Of all the young players available to move excluding Winn and Burley, I'd keep Gorman.
Sure, he's been a dud, but he still has elite power.
I wouldn't trade him just yet, but according to Passan he's available.
I guess Walker isn't available or nobody wants him?
I'd trade Walker before parting with Gorman.
Might be another boneheaded move coming up fellas.
This could be the demise of Bloom if he gets this one wrong.
https://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/articles ... 5_43086833
At this point, whether Passan or others, it is all meaningless speculation and rumormongering deigned to generate clicks.
Far too soon to make assumptions concerning Bloom.
That said, you have perfectly analyzed the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION.
If there is a choice between Gorman and Walker, there is no choice at all.
Gorman is a LH hitting infielder with established 25+HR power and 80+ RBI production.
Walker is a RH hitting RF who has yet to show a high-side MLB skill - despite the obvious potential.
Now, Gorman certainly has more trade value than Walker right and STL is overloaded from the left side so I can understand the temptation.
But it would immediately be proven to be a mistake.
The only mistake has been to keep giving a one tool player a job he hasn’t earned and continues to fail at
Re: Jeff Passan: Cards Open for Business-Gorman may be moved, no mention of Walker?
Posted: 19 Nov 2025 08:38 am
by Melville
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑19 Nov 2025 08:36 am
Melville wrote: ↑19 Nov 2025 08:32 am
Bully4you wrote: ↑19 Nov 2025 02:04 am
Of all the young players available to move excluding Winn and Burley, I'd keep Gorman.
Sure, he's been a dud, but he still has elite power.
I wouldn't trade him just yet, but according to Passan he's available.
I guess Walker isn't available or nobody wants him?
I'd trade Walker before parting with Gorman.
Might be another boneheaded move coming up fellas.
This could be the demise of Bloom if he gets this one wrong.
https://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/articles ... 5_43086833
At this point, whether Passan or others, it is all meaningless speculation and rumormongering deigned to generate clicks.
Far too soon to make assumptions concerning Bloom.
That said, you have perfectly analyzed the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION.
If there is a choice between Gorman and Walker, there is no choice at all.
Gorman is a LH hitting infielder with established 25+HR power and 80+ RBI production.
Walker is a RH hitting RF who has yet to show a high-side MLB skill - despite the obvious potential.
Now, Gorman certainly has more trade value than Walker right and STL is overloaded from the left side so I can understand the temptation.
But it would immediately be proven to be a mistake.
The only mistake has been to keep giving a one tool player a job he hasn’t earned and continues to fail at
This thread is not about Lars The Human Sushi-baar.
Re: Jeff Passan: Cards Open for Business-Gorman may be moved, no mention of Walker?
Posted: 19 Nov 2025 08:41 am
by BrockFloodMaris
BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑19 Nov 2025 08:21 am
Bully4you wrote: ↑19 Nov 2025 02:04 am
Of all the young players available to move excluding Winn and Burley, I'd keep Gorman.
Sure, he's been a dud, but he still has elite power.
I wouldn't trade him just yet, but according to Passan he's available.
I guess Walker isn't available or nobody wants him?
I'd trade Walker before parting with Gorman.
Might be another boneheaded move coming up fellas.
This could be the demise of Bloom if he gets this one wrong.
https://www.yardbarker.com/mlb/articles ... 5_43086833
So, let's be clear about what we are discussing. Award winning journalist (sarcasm), Patrick McAvoy, has written a column for YardBarker about what he read/heard that Jeff Passan said about "chatter and rumors" he has heard throughout MLB. So, the Cards may be interested in trading a .198 hitter during his starting role during Arenado's IL stint who will be Arb 1 eligible after 2026? I am shocked (sarcasm)!
I forgot to add that Bully is outraged by this development.
Re: Jeff Passan: Cards Open for Business-Gorman may be moved, no mention of Walker?
Posted: 19 Nov 2025 08:41 am
by Jatalk
I would trade Gorman in a heartbeat. He may go somewhere else and be more successful but I’ve seen enough of him in a Cardinal uniform.
Re: Jeff Passan: Cards Open for Business-Gorman may be moved, no mention of Walker?
Posted: 19 Nov 2025 08:45 am
by rockondlouie
Why would Bloom trade N. Gorman at his LOWEST value?
Passan just looking for clicks, making sheeeee ite up like these national guys do this time of year.
The answer is he's NOT unless some fellow POBO/GM loses his mind and makes him a Godfather like offer.
Bloom is going to first see if he can re-hab both Gorman and J. Walk this season.
They're both young and making no money to speak of this season.
If he succeeds, then BAM!
If they can't be fixed, then nothing lost as neither has much trade value right now.
JMO
Re: Jeff Passan: Cards Open for Business-Gorman may be moved, no mention of Walker?
Posted: 19 Nov 2025 08:46 am
by 60 year Cardinal fan
Jatalk wrote: ↑19 Nov 2025 08:41 am
I would trade Gorman in a heartbeat. He may go somewhere else and be more successful but I’ve seen enough of him in a Cardinal uniform.
Ditto