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Goldfan wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 09:09 am “The #Cardinals are shopping for at least a starter.
The #stlcards are also entertaining offers for their best starter.

What gives?

Chaim Bloom had a lot to say today ...”

Goold indicating that Gray is being shopped while Bloom in market for another SP??
If looking to dump Gray’s contract why even bother with another FA SP?

12xu wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 09:15 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 09:09 am “The #Cardinals are shopping for at least a starter.
The #stlcards are also entertaining offers for their best starter.

What gives?

Chaim Bloom had a lot to say today ...”

Goold indicating that Gray is being shopped while Bloom in market for another SP??
If looking to dump Gray’s contract why even bother with another FA SP?

Because Gray's salary for next season is $35 MM. Their target for a new SP will be a pitcher with a much lower price. Obviously.

12xu wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 09:15 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 09:09 am “The #Cardinals are shopping for at least a starter.
The #stlcards are also entertaining offers for their best starter.

What gives?

Chaim Bloom had a lot to say today ...”

Goold indicating that Gray is being shopped while Bloom in market for another SP??
If looking to dump Gray’s contract why even bother with another FA SP?

Because Gray's salary for next season is $35 MM. Their target for a new SP will be a pitcher with a much lower price. Obviously.

Goldfan wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 09:19 am

12xu wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 09:15 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 09:09 am “The #Cardinals are shopping for at least a starter.
The #stlcards are also entertaining offers for their best starter.

What gives?

Chaim Bloom had a lot to say today ...”

Goold indicating that Gray is being shopped while Bloom in market for another SP??
If looking to dump Gray’s contract why even bother with another FA SP?

Because Gray's salary for next season is $35 MM. Their target for a new SP will be a pitcher with a much lower price. Obviously.

Why even bother…..everyone says its a throwaway year…..fill from within….another Lynn/Gibson year can be had via AAA or BP

12xu wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 09:26 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 09:19 am

12xu wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 09:15 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 09:09 am “The #Cardinals are shopping for at least a starter.
The #stlcards are also entertaining offers for their best starter.

What gives?

Chaim Bloom had a lot to say today ...”

Goold indicating that Gray is being shopped while Bloom in market for another SP??
If looking to dump Gray’s contract why even bother with another FA SP?

Because Gray's salary for next season is $35 MM. Their target for a new SP will be a pitcher with a much lower price. Obviously.

Why even bother…..everyone says its a throwaway year…..fill from within….another Lynn/Gibson year can be had via AAA or BP

They will be looking for someone like Matthew Boyd, who signed with the cubs last year for a two year deal for less money than Gray will make in '26.

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 09:32 am

12xu wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 09:26 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 09:19 am

12xu wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 09:15 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 09:09 am “The #Cardinals are shopping for at least a starter.
The #stlcards are also entertaining offers for their best starter.

What gives?

Chaim Bloom had a lot to say today ...”

Goold indicating that Gray is being shopped while Bloom in market for another SP??
If looking to dump Gray’s contract why even bother with another FA SP?

Because Gray's salary for next season is $35 MM. Their target for a new SP will be a pitcher with a much lower price. Obviously.

Why even bother…..everyone says its a throwaway year…..fill from within….another Lynn/Gibson year can be had via AAA or BP

They will be looking for someone like Matthew Boyd, who signed with the cubs last year for a two year deal for less money than Gray will make in '26.

When you go cheap and want to win you have to roll the dice a bit (Woodruff, Bauer, Carp, etc).

Goldfan wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 09:09 am “The #Cardinals are shopping for at least a starter.
The #stlcards are also entertaining offers for their best starter.

What gives?

Chaim Bloom had a lot to say today ...”

Goold indicating that Gray is being shopped while Bloom in market for another SP??
If looking to dump Gray’s contract why even bother with another FA SP?

Goldfan wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 09:09 am “The #Cardinals are shopping for at least a starter.
The #stlcards are also entertaining offers for their best starter.

What gives?

Chaim Bloom had a lot to say today ...”

Goold indicating that Gray is being shopped while Bloom in market for another SP??
If looking to dump Gray’s contract why even bother with another FA SP?

Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 10:26 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 09:09 am “The #Cardinals are shopping for at least a starter.
The #stlcards are also entertaining offers for their best starter.

What gives?

Chaim Bloom had a lot to say today ...”

Goold indicating that Gray is being shopped while Bloom in market for another SP??
If looking to dump Gray’s contract why even bother with another FA SP?

Isn’t it extremely obvious? Even if they can’t trade Gray, they’re going to need innings in the rotation.

Gray
Liberatore
McGreevy
Pallante
Leahy/Mathews/Graceffo/Hence/Roby

That’s already a pretty thin rotation. Take Gray out and now what do you have? Gray is also one of their best trade pieces. If they weren’t in a rebuild they’d keep him. As it stands now, with one more year left on his deal, why keep him?

Goldfan wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 09:09 am “The #Cardinals are shopping for at least a starter.
The #stlcards are also entertaining offers for their best starter.

What gives?

Chaim Bloom had a lot to say today ...”

Goold indicating that Gray is being shopped while Bloom in market for another SP??
If looking to dump Gray’s contract why even bother with another FA SP?

ramfandan wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 10:40 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 09:09 am “The #Cardinals are shopping for at least a starter.
The #stlcards are also entertaining offers for their best starter.

What gives?

Chaim Bloom had a lot to say today ...”

Goold indicating that Gray is being shopped while Bloom in market for another SP??
If looking to dump Gray’s contract why even bother with another FA SP?

Just a guess, because the free agent type starting pitchers Bloom is looking at are NOT in the $25-$35M range like Gray currently .
Even with paying off a good amount on the Gray contract and getting a lower price starter , Bloom can also end up with a pitchr much younger than Sonny that he can either A. flip for prospect later or B. Have a younger starter for the long term. Gray's days are numbered and Bloom looking to the long term .

Goldfan wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 10:34 amI get the trade Gray part….what is confusing is the sign a FA to a multi year contract part.
You obviously list more than 5 without Gray.

Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 10:57 am

Goldfan wrote: ↑12 Nov 2025 10:34 amI get the trade Gray part….what is confusing is the sign a FA to a multi year contract part.
You obviously list more than 5 without Gray.

Here's the article: https://www.stltoday.com/sports/profess ... -top-story

I think it's a bit more nuanced than "they want to sign a FA pitcher for a multi-year deal." The article covers a bunch of different scenarios, like if they end up keeping Gray, if they could get a younger pitcher who might be a part of the future in a trade, signing a reclamation project to a one year deal, do they just sign a guy for innings. Signing a FA to a long-term deal is just one part of the article.

But there are scenarios in which it would make sense to sign a guy to a multi-year deal if the opportunity presents itself. A long-term deal, it seems to me is a longshot this year, but if the opportunity is there, and it makes sense, you have to plan for that. A multi-year deal can also just be a 2 year deal, which would make sense for also 2027, when you're still probably going to have some young starters in the rotation and will need innings.

And yea, I am listing a bunch of options, but it would still be an incredibly thin rotation. Just because you have five guys, it doesn't mean they are guaranteed to be there all year. I wouldn't count on Hence or Roby. Would you? Kyle Leahy could flop. It would be nice if Mathews came up this year, but he'd still be a guy who only pitched 99 innings last year.