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Posted: **05 Nov 2025 21:07 pm**

By no means am I comparing Betts and Donovan in terms of trade value but Bloom coupled Betts with David Price who was making $32 million a year with 2 years remaining on his contract and his talent had fallen to far below that number.

Could Donovan be coupled with either Arenado or Gray to try to get the other team to take on a lot of salary? Perhaps in the deal we get a prospect and some international signing money and with the money saved we sign a free agent?

Posted: **05 Nov 2025 21:22 pm**

All I have is an opinion, we'll have to see, but I say no. Not only will he not package a bad contract with Donovan to get rid of the bad contract, I'm saying they will include enough money with the bad contracts to get better prospect returns.

Posted: **05 Nov 2025 21:30 pm**

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 21:07 pm By no means am I comparing Betts and Donovan in terms of trade value but Bloom coupled Betts with David Price who was making $32 million a year with 2 years remaining on his contract and his talent had fallen to far below that number.

Could Donovan be coupled with either Arenado or Gray to try to get the other team to take on a lot of salary? Perhaps in the deal we get a prospect and some international signing money and with the money saved we sign a free agent?

Always that possibility . If you are seeking a specific higher prospect you wish from another team interested in Donovan, it may require Bloom to add to the deal in order to get a guy you covet more . For the high priced Arenado and/or Gray to be combined in a deal would require a team that wants not only Donovan but one of the other two . Possible but who knows. Obviously the more Bloom 'offers' the more he gets in return. The saying in baseball 'you have to 'give' to 'get ' applies in these trades of bigger name players.
Will be fun to see . There could be a lower salaried player combined in a Donovan deal too. Lots of ways to go for Bloom

Posted: **05 Nov 2025 21:38 pm**

I don't think he will be paired with a bad contract. Arenado has zero value. Idk how they will move him honestly. I think Gray ends up in Atlanta. Donovan going to the Padres or Giants.

Posted: **05 Nov 2025 22:21 pm**

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 21:07 pm By no means am I comparing Betts and Donovan in terms of trade value but Bloom coupled Betts with David Price who was making $32 million a year with 2 years remaining on his contract and his talent had fallen to far below that number.

Could Donovan be coupled with either Arenado or Gray to try to get the other team to take on a lot of salary? Perhaps in the deal we get a prospect and some international signing money and with the money saved we sign a free agent?

I think that you should compare Betts and Donovan.

As high of a value that Betts had, Price brought his value down fairly drastically. Even in that LAD did use the overpaid Price.
Donovan not having a Betts upside really can’t afford it to be brought down like that or you get much bigger of a longshot as the return.

IMO, you might add to Donovan in order to get more return but not decrease his value, keep him if that's your option. Also just add money to NA or SG it's a short term deal that isn't crippling to just keep. The teams payroll is lower than 2025 with them or add a redundant prospect.

Posted: **05 Nov 2025 22:54 pm**

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 21:07 pm By no means am I comparing Betts and Donovan in terms of trade value but Bloom coupled Betts with David Price who was making $32 million a year with 2 years remaining on his contract and his talent had fallen to far below that number.

Could Donovan be coupled with either Arenado or Gray to try to get the other team to take on a lot of salary? Perhaps in the deal we get a prospect and some international signing money and with the money saved we sign a free agent?

Better prospects by only trading BD are better for a rebuild than dumping a lot of short term salary by adding on Gray and Nado.

Maybe you could argue the money saved from those contracts could be funneled back into the organization for other needs/improvements (international draft?) and losing a couple quality vets could help the team secure a top 5 pick in the following draft. However the Cards have already dropped their payroll a ton and I just can’t imagine they’ll throw another $30-$50 mil at player dev instead keeping the powder dry.

Posted: **05 Nov 2025 22:57 pm**

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 21:07 pm By no means am I comparing Betts and Donovan in terms of trade value but Bloom coupled Betts with David Price who was making $32 million a year with 2 years remaining on his contract and his talent had fallen to far below that number.

Could Donovan be coupled with either Arenado or Gray to try to get the other team to take on a lot of salary? Perhaps in the deal we get a prospect and some international signing money and with the money saved we sign a free agent?

That would diminish the return for Donovan which would defeat the purpose of dealing him to begin with.

Posted: **06 Nov 2025 00:20 am**

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 21:22 pm All I have is an opinion, we'll have to see, but I say no. Not only will he not package a bad contract with Donovan to get rid of the bad contract, I'm saying they will include enough money with the bad contracts to get better prospect returns.

I hope you’re right. Trading Donovan with Nado just to save BDW more money that won’t be reinvested back to proper levels would be a massive waste of resources we have developed in our system.

Posted: **06 Nov 2025 01:27 am**

Anybody who doesn’t think this ownership’s plan is to shed every possible $ from payroll going into the lockout hasn’t been paying attention.

Posted: **06 Nov 2025 04:28 am**

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 21:22 pm All I have is an opinion, we'll have to see, but I say no. Not only will he not package a bad contract with Donovan to get rid of the bad contract, I'm saying they will include enough money with the bad contracts to get better prospect returns.

That's ideal

Posted: **06 Nov 2025 06:14 am**

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 21:22 pm All I have is an opinion, we'll have to see, but I say no. Not only will he not package a bad contract with Donovan to get rid of the bad contract, I'm saying they will include enough money with the bad contracts to get better prospect returns.

Yep

Posted: **06 Nov 2025 08:38 am**

Melville wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 22:57 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 21:07 pm By no means am I comparing Betts and Donovan in terms of trade value but Bloom coupled Betts with David Price who was making $32 million a year with 2 years remaining on his contract and his talent had fallen to far below that number.

Could Donovan be coupled with either Arenado or Gray to try to get the other team to take on a lot of salary? Perhaps in the deal we get a prospect and some international signing money and with the money saved we sign a free agent?
That would diminish the return for Donovan which would defeat the purpose of dealing him to begin with.

100% correct but that's exactly what he did with Betts and he has indicated he is looking to deal Gray and Arenado along with Donovan.

Posted: **06 Nov 2025 08:47 am**

If you mean:

"Will BDWJr force him to trade Donovan like the BoSox ownership did w/Betts while telling any team that wanted Betts they had to EAT ALL OF D. PRICE'S remaining deal", then no that's not happen here w/NADO (IMO).

But Bloom may instead pull off a trade for Donny like these he did in Boston where he:

-Traded Aldo Ramirez for Kyle Schwarber

-Traded Brandon Workman and Heath Hembree to Philadelphia for Connor Seabold and Nick Pivetta

-Traded Christian Vazquez to the Houston Astros for Wilyer Abreu and Enmanuel Valdez

Oh and after he left the Sox used three of his draft picks to land G. Crochet!

I think NADO goes to the Phillies w/BDWJr eating $15-20M for a couple middling prospects.

Posted: **06 Nov 2025 09:07 am**

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 08:38 am
Melville wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 22:57 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 21:07 pm By no means am I comparing Betts and Donovan in terms of trade value but Bloom coupled Betts with David Price who was making $32 million a year with 2 years remaining on his contract and his talent had fallen to far below that number.

Could Donovan be coupled with either Arenado or Gray to try to get the other team to take on a lot of salary? Perhaps in the deal we get a prospect and some international signing money and with the money saved we sign a free agent?
That would diminish the return for Donovan which would defeat the purpose of dealing him to begin with.
100% correct but that's exactly what he did with Betts and he has indicated he is looking to deal Gray and Arenado along with Donovan.

The way to trade N/A is to simply eat money.
STL traded him once already and can easily do so again.
N/A is owed less now than he was then, and exactly as I predicted N/A realized the blunder he made in refusing to report.
He will gladly leave this time.
As for Gray, the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is to keep him.
There is zero upside to trading him this off-season.
The correct trade pieces are Mootbaar (as I alone have correctly advised for the past 4 seasons), Walker, Mathews, and Bernal - along with a handful of others who could complement assorted trade packages.
Donovan should move to LF and be offered a reasonable 3 year extension - and if he does not sign it, he should be moved in July.
This stuff ain't hard.
We are about to learn if Bloom is smart enough to see it.

Posted: **06 Nov 2025 09:12 am**

Melville wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 09:07 am
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑06 Nov 2025 08:38 am
Melville wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 22:57 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑05 Nov 2025 21:07 pm By no means am I comparing Betts and Donovan in terms of trade value but Bloom coupled Betts with David Price who was making $32 million a year with 2 years remaining on his contract and his talent had fallen to far below that number.

Could Donovan be coupled with either Arenado or Gray to try to get the other team to take on a lot of salary? Perhaps in the deal we get a prospect and some international signing money and with the money saved we sign a free agent?
That would diminish the return for Donovan which would defeat the purpose of dealing him to begin with.
100% correct but that's exactly what he did with Betts and he has indicated he is looking to deal Gray and Arenado along with Donovan.
The way to trade N/A is to simply eat money.
STL traded him once already and can easily do so again.
N/A is owed less now than he was then, and exactly as I predicted N/A realized the blunder he made in refusing to report.
He will gladly leave this time.
As for Gray, the CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION is to keep him.
There is zero upside to trading him this off-season.
The correct trade pieces are Mootbaar (as I alone have correctly advised for the past 4 seasons), Walker, Mathews, and Bernal - along with a handful of others who could complement assorted trade packages.
Donovan should move to LF and be offered a reasonable 3 year extension - and if he does not sign it, he should be moved in July.
This stuff ain't hard.
We are about to learn if Bloom is smart enough to see it.

Mel-you are right about Arenado.But I'm a little embarrassed for you. You are wrong about literally everything else.

Posted: **06 Nov 2025 09:56 am**

Dodgers - depends on how they handle moving Muncy, who is a 10 yr vet. Would love to have Pages in Cardinal OF.

Philies - tolerate Bohm at 3B. Would be great to get either Crawford - OF or Wood - pitcher.

But as a poster stated - you have to give to get. IF dealing with either Dodgers or Phils at least make it a trade that Cards get MLB talent in return.

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