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CCard wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:13 am Those two alone would be addition by subtraction. Let's put someone in that can actually strike people out consistently. Enough with the pitch to contact batted ball luck pitcher. Bring up Whetherholt and put him at 2nd or 3rd depending on who's traded. Walker and Scott should both be better after getting used to major league pitching. If they're still struggling at the all-star break then send them down until they get better or a better option appears available. Noot needs to go. He's TO lite. Can't stay on the field and not really that great when he does. Herrera at catcher or DH. Contreras at 1st and occasionally DH. Then bring in or promote real talent for the bullpen. People that can be counted on to strike people out and not throw gas on the fire. This makes the Cards a playoff contender. Splurge and get a big name pitcher would be great also.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:19 am

CCard wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:13 am Those two alone would be addition by subtraction. Let's put someone in that can actually strike people out consistently. Enough with the pitch to contact batted ball luck pitcher. Bring up Whetherholt and put him at 2nd or 3rd depending on who's traded. Walker and Scott should both be better after getting used to major league pitching. If they're still struggling at the all-star break then send them down until they get better or a better option appears available. Noot needs to go. He's TO lite. Can't stay on the field and not really that great when he does. Herrera at catcher or DH. Contreras at 1st and occasionally DH. Then bring in or promote real talent for the bullpen. People that can be counted on to strike people out and not throw gas on the fire. This makes the Cards a playoff contender. Splurge and get a big name pitcher would be great also.

I’m keeping Scott whether he hits or not. Defense particularly up the middle defense is way too valuable. You accurately mentioned no K’s and too much pitchgo get it. to contact; why then get rid of Scott who can do just that-

CCard wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:13 am Those two alone would be addition by subtraction. Let's put someone in that can actually strike people out consistently. Enough with the pitch to contact batted ball luck pitcher. Bring up Whetherholt and put him at 2nd or 3rd depending on who's traded. Walker and Scott should both be better after getting used to major league pitching. If they're still struggling at the all-star break then send them down until they get better or a better option appears available. Noot needs to go. He's TO lite. Can't stay on the field and not really that great when he does. Herrera at catcher or DH. Contreras at 1st and occasionally DH. Then bring in or promote real talent for the bullpen. People that can be counted on to strike people out and not throw gas on the fire. This makes the Cards a playoff contender. Splurge and get a big name pitcher would be great also.

Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:40 am

CCard wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:13 am Those two alone would be addition by subtraction. Let's put someone in that can actually strike people out consistently. Enough with the pitch to contact batted ball luck pitcher. Bring up Whetherholt and put him at 2nd or 3rd depending on who's traded. Walker and Scott should both be better after getting used to major league pitching. If they're still struggling at the all-star break then send them down until they get better or a better option appears available. Noot needs to go. He's TO lite. Can't stay on the field and not really that great when he does. Herrera at catcher or DH. Contreras at 1st and occasionally DH. Then bring in or promote real talent for the bullpen. People that can be counted on to strike people out and not throw gas on the fire. This makes the Cards a playoff contender. Splurge and get a big name pitcher would be great also.

Neither Walker or Scott should be in STL come April. Walker should be in AAA (ops+ 24: 72, ops+ 25: 66) until his bat suggests otherwise and Scott's smaller sample size shows him to be even worse at the plate. Ops+ last yr: 72. This yr: 41.

He might have defense going for him but until/unless he can show an improved approach against mlb pitching, at the plate he's becoming a decent-hitting pitcher, at best.

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:47 am If he is at all tradeable, I wish they would trade Pallante. if he is here, they will be tempted to put him in the rotation.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:45 am

Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:40 am

CCard wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:13 am Those two alone would be addition by subtraction. Let's put someone in that can actually strike people out consistently. Enough with the pitch to contact batted ball luck pitcher. Bring up Whetherholt and put him at 2nd or 3rd depending on who's traded. Walker and Scott should both be better after getting used to major league pitching. If they're still struggling at the all-star break then send them down until they get better or a better option appears available. Noot needs to go. He's TO lite. Can't stay on the field and not really that great when he does. Herrera at catcher or DH. Contreras at 1st and occasionally DH. Then bring in or promote real talent for the bullpen. People that can be counted on to strike people out and not throw gas on the fire. This makes the Cards a playoff contender. Splurge and get a big name pitcher would be great also.

Neither Walker or Scott should be in STL come April. Walker should be in AAA (ops+ 24: 72, ops+ 25: 66) until his bat suggests otherwise and Scott's smaller sample size shows him to be even worse at the plate. Ops+ last yr: 72. This yr: 41.

He might have defense going for him but until/unless he can show an improved approach against mlb pitching, at the plate he's becoming a decent-hitting pitcher, at best.

I hear ya. My thought on Scott is this is the bottom line. As he ages, maybe he matures physically to become an adequate hitter.

Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 08:07 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:45 am

Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:40 am

CCard wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:13 am Those two alone would be addition by subtraction. Let's put someone in that can actually strike people out consistently. Enough with the pitch to contact batted ball luck pitcher. Bring up Whetherholt and put him at 2nd or 3rd depending on who's traded. Walker and Scott should both be better after getting used to major league pitching. If they're still struggling at the all-star break then send them down until they get better or a better option appears available. Noot needs to go. He's TO lite. Can't stay on the field and not really that great when he does. Herrera at catcher or DH. Contreras at 1st and occasionally DH. Then bring in or promote real talent for the bullpen. People that can be counted on to strike people out and not throw gas on the fire. This makes the Cards a playoff contender. Splurge and get a big name pitcher would be great also.

Neither Walker or Scott should be in STL come April. Walker should be in AAA (ops+ 24: 72, ops+ 25: 66) until his bat suggests otherwise and Scott's smaller sample size shows him to be even worse at the plate. Ops+ last yr: 72. This yr: 41.

He might have defense going for him but until/unless he can show an improved approach against mlb pitching, at the plate he's becoming a decent-hitting pitcher, at best.

I hear ya. My thought on Scott is this is the bottom line. As he ages, maybe he matures physically to become an adequate hitter.

Scott's hitting journey shows he didn't handle AAA pitching all that well but was nonetheless promoted to STL, where his struggles have only intensified.

And Walker was promoted w/o much seasoning at AAA.

Perhaps Scott ends up as the guy you envision, but he risks flaming out absent a successful reboot; ditto Walker.

I thought Pallante had unlocked something in 24. In his best games this yr he was that guy (8 games that counted as a QS) but far too often was nuked out there. However, with MM gone, Gray possibly headed elsewhere, and Fedde gone, it would be difficult to also replace Pallante's 162 innings, so he's in the rotation unless Bloom works some trade magic.

Cranny wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:34 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:19 am

CCard wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:13 am Those two alone would be addition by subtraction. Let's put someone in that can actually strike people out consistently. Enough with the pitch to contact batted ball luck pitcher. Bring up Whetherholt and put him at 2nd or 3rd depending on who's traded. Walker and Scott should both be better after getting used to major league pitching. If they're still struggling at the all-star break then send them down until they get better or a better option appears available. Noot needs to go. He's TO lite. Can't stay on the field and not really that great when he does. Herrera at catcher or DH. Contreras at 1st and occasionally DH. Then bring in or promote real talent for the bullpen. People that can be counted on to strike people out and not throw gas on the fire. This makes the Cards a playoff contender. Splurge and get a big name pitcher would be great also.

I’m keeping Scott whether he hits or not. Defense particularly up the middle defense is way too valuable. You accurately mentioned no K’s and too much pitchgo get it. to contact; why then get rid of Scott who can do just that-

If you have Bernal at catcher, Donovan at 2B, Winn at SS, and Scott in CF you have really strong defense up the middle. JJ can play 3rd.

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:53 am

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:47 am If he is at all tradeable, I wish they would trade Pallante. if he is here, they will be tempted to put him in the rotation.

I’m the only Pallante guy here I think. I’ve seen several very well pitched games, so it’s not talent or potential that’s missing. The problem is what gets most pro athletes, consistency. He is currently our number five. That’s five innings of four run ball. On those days it’s solely up to the offense.

The number five game is a toss up anyway.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 09:26 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:53 am

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:47 am If he is at all tradeable, I wish they would trade Pallante. if he is here, they will be tempted to put him in the rotation.

I’m the only Pallante guy here I think. I’ve seen several very well pitched games, so it’s not talent or potential that’s missing. The problem is what gets most pro athletes, consistency. He is currently our number five. That’s five innings of four run ball. On those days it’s solely up to the offense.

The number five game is a toss up anyway.

You just described a 7.20 ERA.

OldRed wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 09:31 am

ecleme22 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 09:26 am

sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:53 am

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑03 Nov 2025 07:47 am If he is at all tradeable, I wish they would trade Pallante. if he is here, they will be tempted to put him in the rotation.

I’m the only Pallante guy here I think. I’ve seen several very well pitched games, so it’s not talent or potential that’s missing. The problem is what gets most pro athletes, consistency. He is currently our number five. That’s five innings of four run ball. On those days it’s solely up to the offense.

The number five game is a toss up anyway.

You just described a 7.20 ERA.

I guess they could always sign Lynn and Gibson . . . LOL!