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Wouldn't they have probably gone deep into the playoffs? If everybody was healthy, I'm not too sure the Cardinals offense didn't have as much potential as the Dodgers this season. The starting pitching was the huge difference.

Shady wrote: ↑02 Nov 2025 12:45 pm Wouldn't they have probably gone deep into the playoffs? If everybody was healthy, I'm not too sure the Cardinals offense didn't have as much potential as the Dodgers this season. The starting pitching was the huge difference.

wRC+/OPS+
Dodgers: 113/114
Cardinals: 96/96

Positional fWAR
Dodgers: 28.9
Cardinals: 17.7
Difference: 11.2

Pitching fWAR
Dodgers: 20.8
Cardinals: 12.7
Difference: 8.1

The Dodgers were better than the Cardinals in pretty much every facet of the game (other than FRV).

But other than that, you nailed it, Shady . . .

If Donovan in LF, Scott in CF and Burleson in RF. Wouldn't the Cardinals outfield have been, at least, comparable to the Dodgers outfield this season, overall? Betts and Freeman would give the Dodgers the edge over the Cardinals, overall, on the infield.

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑02 Nov 2025 13:00 pm

Shady wrote: ↑02 Nov 2025 12:45 pm Wouldn't they have probably gone deep into the playoffs? If everybody was healthy, I'm not too sure the Cardinals offense didn't have as much potential as the Dodgers this season. The starting pitching was the huge difference.

wRC+/OPS+
Dodgers: 113/114
Cardinals: 96/96

Positional fWAR
Dodgers: 28.9
Cardinals: 17.7
Difference: 11.2

Pitching fWAR
Dodgers: 20.8
Cardinals: 12.7
Difference: 8.1

The Dodgers were better than the Cardinals in pretty much every facet of the game (other than FRV).

But other than that, you nailed it, Shady . . .

Oli would pull them after 5 innings and still find a way to lose games.

Wow. Without opening the thread, I knew exactly who started it. It reads like a question a 5 year-old would ask.

Shady wrote: ↑02 Nov 2025 12:45 pm Wouldn't they have probably gone deep into the playoffs? If everybody was healthy, I'm not too sure the Cardinals offense didn't have as much potential as the Dodgers this season. The starting pitching was the huge difference.

Sober up. Edit that.

C-Unit wrote: ↑02 Nov 2025 16:25 pm Wow. Without opening the thread, I knew exactly who started it. It reads like a question a 5 year-old would ask.

Why is that, oh brilliant one? Why does it not make a very good point regarding realistic expectaions for Marmol and the Cardinals? Whatcha' got, hotshot?

Shady wrote: ↑02 Nov 2025 17:08 pm

C-Unit wrote: ↑02 Nov 2025 16:25 pm Wow. Without opening the thread, I knew exactly who started it. It reads like a question a 5 year-old would ask.

Why is that, oh brilliant one? Why does it not make a very good point regarding realistic expectaions for Marmol and the Cardinals?

you never make "realistic" threads.

Same as TCN, they thought you were 10 years old. When they found out you were near 80, they were left speechless.

Box of Rocks

Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Nov 2025 16:17 pm Oli would pull them after 5 innings and still find a way to lose games.

I know your default mode is to just hate Oli for everything, actual stats be damned, but Cards starters ranked 7th/30 teams in IP/start in 2025.
The Dodgers? 28th/30.

craviduce wrote: ↑02 Nov 2025 17:12 pm

Shady wrote: ↑02 Nov 2025 17:08 pm

C-Unit wrote: ↑02 Nov 2025 16:25 pm Wow. Without opening the thread, I knew exactly who started it. It reads like a question a 5 year-old would ask.

Why is that, oh brilliant one? Why does it not make a very good point regarding realistic expectaions for Marmol and the Cardinals?

you never make "realistic" threads.

Same as TCN, they thought you were 10 years old. When they found out you were near 80, they were left speechless.

Box of Rocks

Like I said, you are a trouble-maker. Please just get lost. Let meaningful discussion occur without your immature middle schoolish interference.

Shady wrote: ↑02 Nov 2025 17:19 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑02 Nov 2025 17:12 pm

Shady wrote: ↑02 Nov 2025 17:08 pm

C-Unit wrote: ↑02 Nov 2025 16:25 pm Wow. Without opening the thread, I knew exactly who started it. It reads like a question a 5 year-old would ask.

Why is that, oh brilliant one? Why does it not make a very good point regarding realistic expectaions for Marmol and the Cardinals?

you never make "realistic" threads.

Same as TCN, they thought you were 10 years old. When they found out you were near 80, they were left speechless.

Box of Rocks

Like I said, you are a trouble-maker. Please just get lost. Let meaningful discussion occur without your immature middle schoolish interference.

like you said, you "say a lot of stupid stuff". You also called me out last week saying you were going to ignore me.

craviduce wrote: ↑02 Nov 2025 17:20 pm

Shady wrote: ↑02 Nov 2025 17:19 pm

craviduce wrote: ↑02 Nov 2025 17:12 pm

Shady wrote: ↑02 Nov 2025 17:08 pm

C-Unit wrote: ↑02 Nov 2025 16:25 pm Wow. Without opening the thread, I knew exactly who started it. It reads like a question a 5 year-old would ask.

Why is that, oh brilliant one? Why does it not make a very good point regarding realistic expectaions for Marmol and the Cardinals?

you never make "realistic" threads.

Same as TCN, they thought you were 10 years old. When they found out you were near 80, they were left speechless.

Box of Rocks

Like I said, you are a trouble-maker. Please just get lost. Let meaningful discussion occur without your immature middle schoolish interference.

like you said, you "say a lot of stupid stuff". You also called me out last week saying you were going to ignore me.

I can't let your moronnishly immature behavior go without stating my case. I have an idea. Let's both just ignore each other. Agree?

Shady wrote: ↑02 Nov 2025 12:45 pm Wouldn't they have probably gone deep into the playoffs? If everybody was healthy, I'm not too sure the Cardinals offense didn't have as much potential as the Dodgers this season. The starting pitching was the huge difference.

Hilarious. Not one Cardinal everyday player starts for LA .

cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑02 Nov 2025 17:18 pm

Goldfan wrote: ↑02 Nov 2025 16:17 pm Oli would pull them after 5 innings and still find a way to lose games.

I know your default mode is to just hate Oli for everything, actual stats be damned, but Cards starters ranked 7th/30 teams in IP/start in 2025.
The Dodgers? 28th/30.

Except for Gray, their 25mil Ace, the other starters were around 5innings per game. So I stand by my statement.
In general after Oli inherited 3 consecutive playoff teams and then won 93 games in his 1st season. He then went on to win 71, 83, and 78
Just as Mo normalized to his level of incompetence after TLR and it took a few years…..Oli has shown what he really is.
You will remember the Cards were right in it til June of this season when Oli chose to run Miles and Fedde out there ensuring losing every 2/5 games culminating in the season destroying back to back Cubbies series where Gray got one start while Miles and Fedde got 4.

Shady wrote: ↑02 Nov 2025 12:45 pm Wouldn't they have probably gone deep into the playoffs? If everybody was healthy, I'm not too sure the Cardinals offense didn't have as much potential as the Dodgers this season. The starting pitching was the huge difference.

Fox put up a graphic last night that the Dodgers have given over $1 billion in contracts to the starting rotation of:
Yamamoto
Ohtani
Snell
Glasnow

Please tell me the relevance of asking how the Cards would perform with them? The Cards will never have a billion dollar rotation.