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We're going to see if:
JJ Wetherholt is what we think he is
Victor Scott II can become anything but an offensive liability
Nolan Gorman can play 3B and put the bat on the ball
Jordan Walker can be anything except the biggest mess in the National League
Kyle Leahy can handle a starters load
Ivan Herrera can be a major league catcher.

I know we're rebuilding and I think that is the right thing to do. I don't mind that they ask these questions. The problem comes when they ignore or deny the answers to the questions asked. Some of these questions have been asked and answered.

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:58 am We're going to see if:
JJ Wetherholt is what we think he is
Victor Scott II can become anything but an offensive liability
Nolan Gorman can play 3B and put the bat on the ball
Jordan Walker can be anything except the biggest mess in the National League
Kyle Leahy can handle a starters load
Ivan Herrera can be a major league catcher.

I know we're rebuilding and I think that is the right thing to do. I don't mind that they ask these questions. The problem comes when they ignore or deny the answers to the questions asked. Some of these questions have been asked and answered.

Some of those questions have been answered already bloom may just be too dumb to see it though and needs another year to see the glaringly obvious

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 12:01 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:58 am We're going to see if:
JJ Wetherholt is what we think he is
Victor Scott II can become anything but an offensive liability
Nolan Gorman can play 3B and put the bat on the ball
Jordan Walker can be anything except the biggest mess in the National League
Kyle Leahy can handle a starters load
Ivan Herrera can be a major league catcher.

I know we're rebuilding and I think that is the right thing to do. I don't mind that they ask these questions. The problem comes when they ignore or deny the answers to the questions asked. Some of these questions have been asked and answered.

Some of those questions have been answered already bloom may just be too dumb to see it though and needs another year to see the glaringly obvious

Ever wonder why the Cards FO is full of these types who don’t know what they have??? Let’s waste another season and another and another

How many times do people who are paid to make these evaluations have to ask these questions?

Ivan won't be a catcher.

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:58 am We're going to see if:
JJ Wetherholt is what we think he is
Victor Scott II can become anything but an offensive liability
Nolan Gorman can play 3B and put the bat on the ball
Jordan Walker can be anything except the biggest mess in the National League
Kyle Leahy can handle a starters load
Ivan Herrera can be a major league catcher.

I know we're rebuilding and I think that is the right thing to do. I don't mind that they ask these questions. The problem comes when they ignore or deny the answers to the questions asked. Some of these questions have been asked and answered.

JJ probably does get a long opportunity and that can be written in pen.
Leahy being a pitcher on the roster is a decent bet.

The rest is in pencil, JMO. Last season it was in stone.

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 13:16 pm Ivan won't be a catcher.

I hope you're right on that. I wasn't impressed with him behind the plate. Besides, his hitting is his calling card anyway. Let the man hit. If you have to put him anywhere, put him on first or left field.

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:58 am We're going to see if:
JJ Wetherholt is what we think he is
Victor Scott II can become anything but an offensive liability
Nolan Gorman can play 3B and put the bat on the ball
Jordan Walker can be anything except the biggest mess in the National League
Kyle Leahy can handle a starters load
Ivan Herrera can be a major league catcher.

I know we're rebuilding and I think that is the right thing to do. I don't mind that they ask these questions. The problem comes when they ignore or deny the answers to the questions asked. Some of these questions have been asked and answered.

What kind of rebuild gives up on a 23 year old that was a top prospect a year ago, or a gold glove caliber center fielder with plus speed on the base paths after one season, or even a 25 year old who has already had a full mlb season with 27 homers and an .800 ops over 400 at bats?

I feel very impatient at times and I certainly think big mistakes in the past. But, with the CBA coming after 2026, there really isn’t a good reason not to give all the guys on your list another season to figure it out. What they need to do is add pitching and be ready to add what is needed offensively once the new CBA is in place

JohnnyMO wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 15:15 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:58 am We're going to see if:
JJ Wetherholt is what we think he is
Victor Scott II can become anything but an offensive liability
Nolan Gorman can play 3B and put the bat on the ball
Jordan Walker can be anything except the biggest mess in the National League
Kyle Leahy can handle a starters load
Ivan Herrera can be a major league catcher.

I know we're rebuilding and I think that is the right thing to do. I don't mind that they ask these questions. The problem comes when they ignore or deny the answers to the questions asked. Some of these questions have been asked and answered.

What kind of rebuild gives up on a 23 year old that was a top prospect a year ago, or a gold glove caliber center fielder with plus speed on the base paths after one season, or even a 25 year old who has already had a full mlb season with 27 homers and an .800 ops over 400 at bats?

I feel very impatient at times and I certainly think big mistakes in the past. But, with the CBA coming after 2026, there really isn’t a good reason not to give all the guys on your list another season to figure it out. What they need to do is add pitching and be ready to add what is needed offensively once the new CBA is in place

By that keep Gorman logic they should have kept Carlson because he’s just 26 and had a decent season a few years ago. Cards should just give them runway careers instead of runway seasons

Strummer Jones wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 13:58 pm

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 13:16 pm Ivan won't be a catcher.

I hope you're right on that. I wasn't impressed with him behind the plate. Besides, his hitting is his calling card anyway. Let the man hit. If you have to put him anywhere, put him on first or left field.

Herrera has 26.5 ft/s sprint speed. Donovan 26.6 ft/s, Burleson's 25.5 ft/s
while 27 is considered average. Does adding him and his inexperienced glove, reads,
into that mix eliminate one of those? Then they are right back
to where they were before adding him. Something needs clarity there.
With both LN and JW being questionable for 2026 a solid player be nice.
Does IH/AB become 1? possible I guess, no worse than JW there with
the loser of the CF job being the defensive replacement.

IMO, IH is best if he can be a 50 game C, 1B, DH.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 16:09 pm

JohnnyMO wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 15:15 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:58 am We're going to see if:
JJ Wetherholt is what we think he is
Victor Scott II can become anything but an offensive liability
Nolan Gorman can play 3B and put the bat on the ball
Jordan Walker can be anything except the biggest mess in the National League
Kyle Leahy can handle a starters load
Ivan Herrera can be a major league catcher.

I know we're rebuilding and I think that is the right thing to do. I don't mind that they ask these questions. The problem comes when they ignore or deny the answers to the questions asked. Some of these questions have been asked and answered.

What kind of rebuild gives up on a 23 year old that was a top prospect a year ago, or a gold glove caliber center fielder with plus speed on the base paths after one season, or even a 25 year old who has already had a full mlb season with 27 homers and an .800 ops over 400 at bats?

I feel very impatient at times and I certainly think big mistakes in the past. But, with the CBA coming after 2026, there really isn’t a good reason not to give all the guys on your list another season to figure it out. What they need to do is add pitching and be ready to add what is needed offensively once the new CBA is in place

By that keep Gorman logic they should have kept Carlson because he’s just 26 and had a decent season a few years ago. Cards should just give them runway careers instead of runway seasons

Without changing the current roster and knowing JJ will get a significant opportunity
JJ gets 3B or outfield. BD 2B.
That group of Gorman, Walker, Saggese, others battle to see if JJ has to start in the outfield
or the infield. Obviously trades would change this.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 16:09 pm

JohnnyMO wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 15:15 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:58 am We're going to see if:
JJ Wetherholt is what we think he is
Victor Scott II can become anything but an offensive liability
Nolan Gorman can play 3B and put the bat on the ball
Jordan Walker can be anything except the biggest mess in the National League
Kyle Leahy can handle a starters load
Ivan Herrera can be a major league catcher.

I know we're rebuilding and I think that is the right thing to do. I don't mind that they ask these questions. The problem comes when they ignore or deny the answers to the questions asked. Some of these questions have been asked and answered.

What kind of rebuild gives up on a 23 year old that was a top prospect a year ago, or a gold glove caliber center fielder with plus speed on the base paths after one season, or even a 25 year old who has already had a full mlb season with 27 homers and an .800 ops over 400 at bats?

I feel very impatient at times and I certainly think big mistakes in the past. But, with the CBA coming after 2026, there really isn’t a good reason not to give all the guys on your list another season to figure it out. What they need to do is add pitching and be ready to add what is needed offensively once the new CBA is in place

By that keep Gorman logic they should have kept Carlson because he’s just 26 and had a decent season a few years ago. Cards should just give them runway careers instead of runway seasons

Gorman is the closest to being someone you give up on. But unless someone overpays in trade there isnt a reason not to give him at least another couple hundred at bats in 2026. It’s not like he is blocking some other great prospect.

JohnnyMO wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 17:41 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 16:09 pm

JohnnyMO wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 15:15 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:58 am We're going to see if:
JJ Wetherholt is what we think he is
Victor Scott II can become anything but an offensive liability
Nolan Gorman can play 3B and put the bat on the ball
Jordan Walker can be anything except the biggest mess in the National League
Kyle Leahy can handle a starters load
Ivan Herrera can be a major league catcher.

I know we're rebuilding and I think that is the right thing to do. I don't mind that they ask these questions. The problem comes when they ignore or deny the answers to the questions asked. Some of these questions have been asked and answered.

What kind of rebuild gives up on a 23 year old that was a top prospect a year ago, or a gold glove caliber center fielder with plus speed on the base paths after one season, or even a 25 year old who has already had a full mlb season with 27 homers and an .800 ops over 400 at bats?

I feel very impatient at times and I certainly think big mistakes in the past. But, with the CBA coming after 2026, there really isn’t a good reason not to give all the guys on your list another season to figure it out. What they need to do is add pitching and be ready to add what is needed offensively once the new CBA is in place

By that keep Gorman logic they should have kept Carlson because he’s just 26 and had a decent season a few years ago. Cards should just give them runway careers instead of runway seasons

Gorman is the closest to being someone you give up on. But unless someone overpays in trade there isnt a reason not to give him at least another couple hundred at bats in 2026. It’s not like he is blocking some other great prospect.

He’s had close to 1600 at bats to prove how much sucks why do they need a couple of more hundred at bats for
Him to prove he sucks? I’ll tell you exactly what will happen the same thing I said would happen during
The past offseason he will suck have a good month month and half posters will swoon saying he’s finally figured it out Mel will emerge patting himself on the back talking about how he alone predicted it then he will suck again Mel will go quiet his numbers at the end of the season for yet another year will suck. Said it last offseason and was right this time I’ll add though in the offseason next offseason people will say he’s only 26 and needs a couple of more hundred at bats to prove himself. Also he will spend on the IL with back issues

So many want to see the team fixed NOW. Here is a clue - they can't.

Bloom inherited a team that was a loser last year. Has zero star power on either side of the ball. And any money that might be spent on free agents is already tied up in aging players at the tail end of their contracts. Typically that isn't when you get value.

Mix it all up with declining fan base (justifiably) and a looming lockout/strike and what you have is the perfect storm of 2026 will clearly be a year of shaking out what they have and aiming at 2027 and beyond. A rebuild. Or tanking as one member here constantly calls it. It isn't Blooms fault they need to give Gorman and Walker another lengthy audition. It isn't his fault the pitching is a mess.

In short you guys really need to back off demands of Bloom his first year. And some of you are going to be upset with the deals he makes I'm certain. I know if I were him I'd be dealing Donovan for the best prospect I can get back. I'd also be dealing at least one of the catching prospects we have for more pitching or OF prospects.

And I'd be signing several aging FA pitchers that are not exciting because all it takes is one to have a good first half and you get another high end prospect for him.

My guess is we see lots of motion starting at the Winter Meetings and possibly some Rule 5 action. There is no attachment by Bloom to any of this team so I expect movement.

God I hope so. This team needs a massive shakeup.

scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 13:16 pm Ivan won't be a catcher.

More certain than tomorrow's sunrise.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 17:49 pm

JohnnyMO wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 17:41 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 16:09 pm

JohnnyMO wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 15:15 pm

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑27 Oct 2025 11:58 am We're going to see if:
JJ Wetherholt is what we think he is
Victor Scott II can become anything but an offensive liability
Nolan Gorman can play 3B and put the bat on the ball
Jordan Walker can be anything except the biggest mess in the National League
Kyle Leahy can handle a starters load
Ivan Herrera can be a major league catcher.

I know we're rebuilding and I think that is the right thing to do. I don't mind that they ask these questions. The problem comes when they ignore or deny the answers to the questions asked. Some of these questions have been asked and answered.

What kind of rebuild gives up on a 23 year old that was a top prospect a year ago, or a gold glove caliber center fielder with plus speed on the base paths after one season, or even a 25 year old who has already had a full mlb season with 27 homers and an .800 ops over 400 at bats?

I feel very impatient at times and I certainly think big mistakes in the past. But, with the CBA coming after 2026, there really isn’t a good reason not to give all the guys on your list another season to figure it out. What they need to do is add pitching and be ready to add what is needed offensively once the new CBA is in place

By that keep Gorman logic they should have kept Carlson because he’s just 26 and had a decent season a few years ago. Cards should just give them runway careers instead of runway seasons

Gorman is the closest to being someone you give up on. But unless someone overpays in trade there isnt a reason not to give him at least another couple hundred at bats in 2026. It’s not like he is blocking some other great prospect.

He’s had close to 1600 at bats to prove how much sucks why do they need a couple of more hundred at bats for
Him to prove he sucks? I’ll tell you exactly what will happen the same thing I said would happen during
The past offseason he will suck have a good month month and half posters will swoon saying he’s finally figured it out Mel will emerge patting himself on the back talking about how he alone predicted it then he will suck again Mel will go quiet his numbers at the end of the season for yet another year will suck. Said it last offseason and was right this time I’ll add though in the offseason next offseason people will say he’s only 26 and needs a couple of more hundred at bats to prove himself. Also he will spend on the IL with back issues

It may be that he fails again. But I again ask what alternative is better for a rebuilding team prior to a likely lockout?