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Nothing is "automatic success" but I'll go out on a limb and say Molina understands how to handle a pitching staff better than Marmol.
Maybe, probably but there is more to it than that. I still question his commitment. That’s not a criticism of him but he seems to have distractions. I also would rather have an experienced manager.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑23 Oct 2025 11:42 amNothing is "automatic success" but I'll go out on a limb and say Molina understands how to handle a pitching staff better than Marmol.
Terry Francona is very experienced and his team won just 5 more games than Oli this year. Braves Snitker is quite experienced and Atlanta won less games than the Cardinals. I think the talent on a team plus number of injuries play a much bigger role than the experience or inexperience of the manager. Is Dave Roberts any better than a lot of other managers ? or does he have the 'horses' that make him look really good . If a Yadi or any other guy new to managing comes into the Cardinals rebuilding team and does not win half his games .. sub .500 Does that make him a poor manager ?Jatalk wrote: ↑23 Oct 2025 11:46 amMaybe, probably but there is more to it than that. I still question his commitment. That’s not a criticism of him but he seems to have distractions. I also would rather have an experienced manager.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑23 Oct 2025 11:42 amNothing is "automatic success" but I'll go out on a limb and say Molina understands how to handle a pitching staff better than Marmol.
Pat Murphy (Brewers) has won 190 games in his first two years as an MLB Manager.ramfandan wrote: ↑23 Oct 2025 12:01 pmTerry Francona is very experienced and his team won just 5 more games than Oli this year. Braves Snitker is quite experienced and Atlanta won less games than the Cardinals. I think the talent on a team plus number of injuries play a much bigger role than the experience or inexperience of the manager. Is Dave Roberts any better than a lot of other managers ? or does he have the 'horses' that make him look really good . If a Yadi or any other guy new to managing comes into the Cardinals rebuilding team and does not win half his games .. sub .500 Does that make him a poor manager ?Jatalk wrote: ↑23 Oct 2025 11:46 amMaybe, probably but there is more to it than that. I still question his commitment. That’s not a criticism of him but he seems to have distractions. I also would rather have an experienced manager.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑23 Oct 2025 11:42 amNothing is "automatic success" but I'll go out on a limb and say Molina understands how to handle a pitching staff better than Marmol.
That's true. He would have to love the game and be willing to accept criticism at a level he hasn't seen before.Jatalk wrote: ↑23 Oct 2025 11:46 amMaybe, probably but there is more to it than that. I still question his commitment. That’s not a criticism of him but he seems to have distractions. I also would rather have an experienced manager.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑23 Oct 2025 11:42 amNothing is "automatic success" but I'll go out on a limb and say Molina understands how to handle a pitching staff better than Marmol.
Your comment is on point and certainly part of it. Managing / head coach jobs require a lot of skillsets that few people have. Identify talent, manage the game, coach players, handle personnel/personal issues, interact with the GM and handle the media. There are very few people that can do all those well. If you are a college head coach, you have to add to that list managing donors / boosters. Catchers see more plays up close than any other player on the field. That should enable them to be exceptional at the identify talent, manage the game, coach the players aspects listed above compared to others. So if they can add on the other skillsets, it is a shorter path to success than others might have. Also, others likely will never be as good at the first three, at least collectively, as a catcher.ramfandan wrote: ↑23 Oct 2025 11:40 am Yonder Alonso on MLB last night gave his two cents worth as to why catchers make good managers.
He said (paraphrasing ) . Catcher is the only position play on the field who understands how a bullpen is used . For every game, he knows the tendency of all opposing batters and he also knows the strengths /weaknesses of his bullpen staff too. So cacthers have a big edge on other players in being able to manage a baseball game. They understand the pitching/ batting battles much better.
We had a gold glove x4 catcher as manager who never had a losing season and the team was #2 in attendance his final full season. He was replaced by a guy who never played the game and just quit because he couldn't handle criticism.ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑23 Oct 2025 14:14 pmYour comment is on point and certainly part of it. Managing / head coach jobs require a lot of skillsets that few people have. Identify talent, manage the game, coach players, handle personnel/personal issues, interact with the GM and handle the media. There are very few people that can do all those well. If you are a college head coach, you have to add to that list managing donors / boosters. Catchers see more plays up close than any other player on the field. That should enable them to be exceptional at the identify talent, manage the game, coach the players aspects listed above compared to others. So if they can add on the other skillsets, it is a shorter path to success than others might have. Also, others likely will never be as good at the first three, at least collectively, as a catcher.ramfandan wrote: ↑23 Oct 2025 11:40 am Yonder Alonso on MLB last night gave his two cents worth as to why catchers make good managers.
He said (paraphrasing ) . Catcher is the only position play on the field who understands how a bullpen is used . For every game, he knows the tendency of all opposing batters and he also knows the strengths /weaknesses of his bullpen staff too. So cacthers have a big edge on other players in being able to manage a baseball game. They understand the pitching/ batting battles much better.
Funny but true. I doubt anyone actually watched the video but the intricacies of the game are discussed at a level above the average ball player. Teddy is credited with actually changing pitchers careers. Reminds me of the praises LaRussa showered on Yadi.