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Because they have the best player in baseball.

Not given. Bought and paid for.

OldRed wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 09:51 am Because they have the best player in baseball.

So the best player in baseball is therefore entitled to a rule which benefits him specifically?
Hmmm....maybe the NBA should allow Jokic 10 personal fouls to ensure he stays in the game.
The reasoning would be exactly the same as the Ohtani Rule.
Weird how MLB's best player needs the added protection of a special rule.....

Melville wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 10:05 am

OldRed wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 09:51 am Because they have the best player in baseball.

So the best player in baseball is therefore entitled to a rule which benefits him specifically?
Hmmm....maybe the NBA should allow Jokic 10 personal fouls to ensure he stays in the game.
The reasoning would be exactly the same as the Ohtani Rule.
Weird how MLB's best player needs the added protection of a special rule.....

derp

MIDMOBIRDTWO wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 10:03 am Not given. Bought and paid for.

Dodgers should send a thank you note to the rest of baseball for refusing to enact a payroll cap.

Did the rule exist when he was on the Angels?

The Dodgers real advantage, other than Japan becoming a farm team, will be (IMO) gone after the new CBA as their excessive use of deferred money (Ohtani deal nowhere close to what Hungo, B. Bonilla and others have done) is going to be gone.

There will be a new limit on the amount of deferred money a team can give to a player.

No more Ohtani type deals where he's playing for $2M/year with $680M deferred.

JMO

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 10:29 am The Dodgers real advantage, other than Japan becoming a farm team, will be (IMO) gone after the new CBA as their excessive use of deferred money (Ohtani deal nowhere close to what Hungo, B. Bonilla and others have done) is going to be gone.

There will be a new limit on the amount of deferred money a team can give to a player.

No more Ohtani type deals where he's playing for $2M/year with $680M deferred.

JMO

Appreciate the observation but it will take more than cleaning up the abuse of the deferred money.

Unless and until the owners have the will, backbone it takes to do what is necessary to get a salary cap in place, the Dodgers and all of the big market teams will continue to dominate the postseason.

I really just expect the owners to do what they always do: cave. Big markets owners will make revenue sharing concessions that will put more $ in small team pockets. They will have settle without a salary cap and point out a few concessions that they sell competitive balance B$. Draft concessions, higher penalties for being over a salary threshold. End of the day, won’t stop the Dodgers or others from buying post season success.

sdaltons wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 10:25 am Did the rule exist when he was on the Angels?

interesting question

peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 10:44 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 10:29 am The Dodgers real advantage, other than Japan becoming a farm team, will be (IMO) gone after the new CBA as their excessive use of deferred money (Ohtani deal nowhere close to what Hungo, B. Bonilla and others have done) is going to be gone.

There will be a new limit on the amount of deferred money a team can give to a player.

No more Ohtani type deals where he's playing for $2M/year with $680M deferred.

JMO

Appreciate the observation but it will take more than cleaning up the abuse of the deferred money.

Unless and until the owners have the will, backbone it takes to do what is necessary to get a salary cap in place, the Dodgers and all of the big market teams will continue to dominate the postseason.

I really just expect the owners to do what they always do: cave. Big markets owners will make revenue sharing concessions that will put more $ in small team pockets. They will have settle without a salary cap and point out a few concessions that they sell competitive balance B$. Draft concessions, higher penalties for being over a salary threshold. End of the day, won’t stop the Dodgers or others from buying post season success.

Certainly it will take more and we agree.

But this thread was about the Dodgers unfair advantage and the abuse of deferred money has given them the payroll flexibility to do what they've done.

Unless the MLBPA has a serious change in philosophy, one that's been in place since M. Miller first instituted it, then there is no way they accept a salary cap (no matter how much we fans want one).

It has nothing to do w/owners having the will (and they won't since TV and streaming services will put tremendous pressure on them to settle ASAP) since they have no control over the MLBPA.

Players make so much money now they can go a full year easily, owners can't lose billions in revenues.

We're in agreement, the owners will cave.

Best that can be hoped for (IMO) is a cap on deferred money and a minimum floor for team payrolls.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 11:23 am

peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 10:44 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 10:29 am The Dodgers real advantage, other than Japan becoming a farm team, will be (IMO) gone after the new CBA as their excessive use of deferred money (Ohtani deal nowhere close to what Hungo, B. Bonilla and others have done) is going to be gone.

There will be a new limit on the amount of deferred money a team can give to a player.

No more Ohtani type deals where he's playing for $2M/year with $680M deferred.

JMO

Appreciate the observation but it will take more than cleaning up the abuse of the deferred money.

Unless and until the owners have the will, backbone it takes to do what is necessary to get a salary cap in place, the Dodgers and all of the big market teams will continue to dominate the postseason.

I really just expect the owners to do what they always do: cave. Big markets owners will make revenue sharing concessions that will put more $ in small team pockets. They will have settle without a salary cap and point out a few concessions that they sell competitive balance B$. Draft concessions, higher penalties for being over a salary threshold. End of the day, won’t stop the Dodgers or others from buying post season success.

Certainly it will take more and we agree.

But this thread was about the Dodgers unfair advantage and the abuse of deferred money has given them the payroll flexibility to do what they've done.

Unless the MLBPA has a serious change in philosophy, one that's been in place since M. Miller first instituted it, then there is no way they accept a salary cap (no matter how much we fans want one).

It has nothing to do w/owners having the will (and they won't since TV and streaming services will put tremendous pressure on them to settle ASAP) since they have no control over the MLBPA.

Players make so much money now they can go a full year easily, owners can't lose billions in revenues.

We're in agreement, the owners will cave.

Best that can be hoped for (IMO) is a cap on deferred money and a minimum floor for team payrolls.

Love that! Cap deferred money and floor. I hate the idea of forcing teams not to spend during that calendar year.

OldRed wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 09:51 am Because they have the best player in baseball.

Oh, f off. The Dodgers have the most talent in baseball and are the best team in the NL, if not the majors. Sometimes the best team in baseball doesn't finish with the best record. There are a myriad of reasons for this. If you don't know what those are I'll be happy to tell you, but I assume any baseball fan who's been around for a few year already know. Remember 2011? Some baseball fans still consider that a bit of a fluke. The Cards caught fire at the right time and stole a championship, the story sometimes goes. No, the Cardinals were the best team in baseball. They underperformed for large stretches the first four months of the season. Then in August they came together and started playing up to their talent level. After that, no one could stop the Cardinals from winning the pennant but themselves.

What he did was baseball Alive! The game has gone Dull. Pitching and Hitting too in one package Alive and Real. Previously had never seen him in action as the Total Package because he had not in one event showing who is and justifying the money he got. As a result, to me, he was just another player. That was what I would think was Ruthian, did both hit and pitch. Complain or not, this has to be the Number One All-time baseball performance.

Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 11:26 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 11:23 am

peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 10:44 am

rockondlouie wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 10:29 am The Dodgers real advantage, other than Japan becoming a farm team, will be (IMO) gone after the new CBA as their excessive use of deferred money (Ohtani deal nowhere close to what Hungo, B. Bonilla and others have done) is going to be gone.

There will be a new limit on the amount of deferred money a team can give to a player.

No more Ohtani type deals where he's playing for $2M/year with $680M deferred.

JMO

Appreciate the observation but it will take more than cleaning up the abuse of the deferred money.

Unless and until the owners have the will, backbone it takes to do what is necessary to get a salary cap in place, the Dodgers and all of the big market teams will continue to dominate the postseason.

I really just expect the owners to do what they always do: cave. Big markets owners will make revenue sharing concessions that will put more $ in small team pockets. They will have settle without a salary cap and point out a few concessions that they sell competitive balance B$. Draft concessions, higher penalties for being over a salary threshold. End of the day, won’t stop the Dodgers or others from buying post season success.

Certainly it will take more and we agree.

But this thread was about the Dodgers unfair advantage and the abuse of deferred money has given them the payroll flexibility to do what they've done.

Unless the MLBPA has a serious change in philosophy, one that's been in place since M. Miller first instituted it, then there is no way they accept a salary cap (no matter how much we fans want one).

It has nothing to do w/owners having the will (and they won't since TV and streaming services will put tremendous pressure on them to settle ASAP) since they have no control over the MLBPA.

Players make so much money now they can go a full year easily, owners can't lose billions in revenues.

We're in agreement, the owners will cave.

Best that can be hoped for (IMO) is a cap on deferred money and a minimum floor for team payrolls.

Love that! Cap deferred money and floor. I hate the idea of forcing teams not to spend during that calendar year.

Thx Alex

I sure we get a full 162 in 2027, missing games sucks.

sdaltons wrote: ↑18 Oct 2025 10:25 am Did the rule exist when he was on the Angels?

yup

Their unfair advantage is massive. More money, great ownership/management, and location advantageous to signing international players from Asia. Money isn't the only reason Ohtani picked LA versus STL or KC.

It will be helpful if the money advantage is eliminated in the new CBA. Create a cap and floor for spending and more TV revenue sharing. Yeah, the big market teams will scream but unless they want to see the league devolve to 3-4 teams dominating and no fan bases in the other cities they need to find more parity.

This still means a team like LA can have a better location for free agents (ala more endorsement money, quicker flights to Japan, etc) but the small market teams will have a chance signing higher tier free agents once again. We might actually be discussing STL signing Skenes when he becomes a free agent in a few years,