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I think his valve took a nose dive after he bombed in New York. If the price was right would you take a chance to resign him this winter.

stanw wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 19:49 pm I think his valve took a nose dive after he bombed in New York. If the price was right would you take a chance to resign him this winter.

No

stanw wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 19:49 pm I think his valve took a nose dive after he bombed in New York. If the price was right would you take a chance to resign him this winter.

For the right price…absolutely. He might’ve played himself out of long-term/elite closer money, but I doubt he tanked his value too awfully bad.

I’ll take Matz and Maton back too. The remnant bullpen they left behind got some good experience with a few guys really stepping up. Replace the ones who didn’t with the big three from last year and we’ve got maybe a top 5 bullpen.

Yes. And don't forget miles mikolas is a FA. And Bloom is looking for a GM...so how about Mo? He's looking a job.

It's important to keep doing the same thing over and over again, no matter the results.

Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 20:01 pm Yes. And don't forget miles mikolas is a FA. And Bloom is looking for a GM...so how about Mo? He's looking a job.

It's important to keep doing the same thing over and over again, no matter the results.

Bring back fedde also I hear he will be available

Dicktar2023 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 20:01 pm Yes. And don't forget miles mikolas is a FA. And Bloom is looking for a GM...so how about Mo? He's looking a job.

It's important to keep doing the same thing over and over again, no matter the results.

Aaron Miles reunion is long overdue

I get the sarcasm everyone is throwing out there, but the OP did say “at the right price”…assuming relatively cheap.

The players (and exec) you guys cite are pretty terrible, while RH was the best homegrown player we’ve produced in a decade. He’s at an age where he can still be part of the future and serve as a good mentor to the young BP kids too.

Bringing back a solid and accomplished player with a ton of high leverage experience isn’t exactly rewinding the clock to an era of bad personnel.

Sign them back with a guarantee they will be on a playoff team in Oct 2026.

Trade them in July to an actual playoff team.

Their part is just to be good enough that a few playoff teams want to trade for them.

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 20:23 pm I get the sarcasm everyone is throwing out there, but the OP did say “at the right price”…assuming relatively cheap.

The players (and exec) you guys cite are pretty terrible, while RH was the best homegrown player we’ve produced in a decade. He’s at an age where he can still be part of the future and serve as a good mentor to the young BP kids too.

Bringing back a solid and accomplished player with a ton of high leverage experience isn’t exactly rewinding the clock to an era of bad personnel.

It would be terrible use of resources he will get at least 5 million and with Dewitt keeping the purse strings tight they need to spend what they do better than gambling on a closer they don’t need. It needs to be spent on starting pitching and maybe two or three maton type signings instead of one helsley signing.

I would absolutely bring Helsley back. He was basically the only player on the team I liked. I'm pretty sure what happened with the Mets was an anomaly. But it'll probably hurt his upcoming contract which we could benefit from.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 20:36 pm

CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 20:23 pm I get the sarcasm everyone is throwing out there, but the OP did say “at the right price”…assuming relatively cheap.

The players (and exec) you guys cite are pretty terrible, while RH was the best homegrown player we’ve produced in a decade. He’s at an age where he can still be part of the future and serve as a good mentor to the young BP kids too.

Bringing back a solid and accomplished player with a ton of high leverage experience isn’t exactly rewinding the clock to an era of bad personnel.

It would be terrible use of resources he will get at least 5 million and with Dewitt keeping the purse strings tight they need to spend what they do better than gambling on a closer they don’t need. It needs to be spent on starting pitching and maybe two or three maton type signings instead of one helsley signing.

What if he would come back for something close to Maton money? I think he was one of the rare players that wanted to be a Cardinal for life. He doesn’t have to be anointed closer either, unless performance dictates. That should actually be part of the agreement.

He just turned 31 a few months ago and though he had a down year, if you look at his track record, he’s had some pretty great seasons other than just 2024 and has been less volatile than most other relievers.

I get the perspective from those who don’t want him back, but at the right price, it wouldn’t some absurd move like bringing back Fedde or Mikolas.

stanw wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 19:49 pm I think his valve took a nose dive after he bombed in New York. If the price was right would you take a chance to resign him this winter.

No

stanw wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 19:49 pm I think his valve took a nose dive after he bombed in New York. If the price was right would you take a chance to resign him this winter.

No! You move on. Guys who throw 100 are a dime a dozen now. He's almost past prime and had 1 outlier good year. The pen was not the problem this year.

sdaltons wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 20:44 pm I would absolutely bring Helsley back. He was basically the only player on the team I liked. I'm pretty sure what happened with the Mets was an anomaly. But it'll probably hurt his upcoming contract which we could benefit from.

I’m kind of surprised of the anti-Helsley sentiment here. Guys who have done way less have gotten 10 minute standing ovations when coming back to Busch as an opponent.

I can’t think of one homegrown player in the last 10-12 years who contributed more than RH. Brendan Donovan is the only one who even comes close. I’m sure someone will mention Burleson

icon wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 20:55 pm

stanw wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 19:49 pm I think his valve took a nose dive after he bombed in New York. If the price was right would you take a chance to resign him this winter.

No! You move on. Guys who throw 100 are a dime a dozen now. He's almost past prime and had 1 outlier good year. The pen was not the problem this year.

2022 - 1.25 ERA and 0.74 WHIP, an all-star appearance and 12th in CY Young voting. Was that the outlier, or when he broke the Card single season save record in 2024? Or did you mean 2023 when he had a 2.45 ERA.

Career ERA under 3 in 7 seasons, yet he only had 1 good outlier?

stanw wrote: ↑12 Oct 2025 19:49 pm I think his valve took a nose dive after he bombed in New York. If the price was right would you take a chance to resign him this winter.

Fascinating question.