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Dewitt isn’t spending this offseason in my view. He is all in on trying to get a salary cap. He isn’t doing anything until he sees how that plays out.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑28 Sep 2025 20:22 pm I kind of expect a really bad record in 2026. If they bring Marmol back on his one remaining contract year, I will suspect a tanking season is in the plans.
If they part ways with Marmol, there might be hope for some spending and a decently competitive year.
If they extend Marmol this winter, I don't know what to expect.
Let's see what the moves actually are. I highly doubt the Cardinals lose 100 games next year.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Sep 2025 20:09 pm during the winter and 6 or 7 current minor leagues on the 26 man roster next season. This team was 11 games under .500 following the all star break. If they replace veterans with prospects and don't add a bunch of pitching we could be looking at a 100 lost team.
I know what I would expect - a lot of explosive vomiting.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑28 Sep 2025 20:22 pm I kind of expect a really bad record in 2026. If they bring Marmol back on his one remaining contract year, I will suspect a tanking season is in the plans.
If they part ways with Marmol, there might be hope for some spending and a decently competitive year.
If they extend Marmol this winter, I don't know what to expect.
That's a good point - and MLB needs a salary cap even if it means a lockout and a lost season. It worked for the NHL and the Blues won a championship.Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑28 Sep 2025 20:27 pmDewitt isn’t spending this offseason in my view. He is all in on trying to get a salary cap. He isn’t doing anything until he sees how that plays out.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑28 Sep 2025 20:22 pm I kind of expect a really bad record in 2026. If they bring Marmol back on his one remaining contract year, I will suspect a tanking season is in the plans.
If they part ways with Marmol, there might be hope for some spending and a decently competitive year.
If they extend Marmol this winter, I don't know what to expect.
I do think Marmol is back. I would be stunned if he is extended this off season. Not sure on a team pinching pennies on payroll that is not a contender there is a real reason to fire him and waste revenue paying two managers when that can be used to fix long term issues. If you are going to replace a manager, do it when his contract ends.
I was dead against a salary cap for years, but now am on board with it needs a cap and an extremely aggressive floor which pushes some bad owners to sell. Give Pit and Colorado a chance.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Sep 2025 20:47 pmThat's a good point - and MLB needs a salary cap even if it means a lockout and a lost season. It worked for the NHL and the Blues won a championship.Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑28 Sep 2025 20:27 pmDewitt isn’t spending this offseason in my view. He is all in on trying to get a salary cap. He isn’t doing anything until he sees how that plays out.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑28 Sep 2025 20:22 pm I kind of expect a really bad record in 2026. If they bring Marmol back on his one remaining contract year, I will suspect a tanking season is in the plans.
If they part ways with Marmol, there might be hope for some spending and a decently competitive year.
If they extend Marmol this winter, I don't know what to expect.
I do think Marmol is back. I would be stunned if he is extended this off season. Not sure on a team pinching pennies on payroll that is not a contender there is a real reason to fire him and waste revenue paying two managers when that can be used to fix long term issues. If you are going to replace a manager, do it when his contract ends.
100 losses AND a best case draft position of 11th to punish the repeated tanking.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Sep 2025 20:09 pm during the winter and 6 or 7 current minor leagues on the 26 man roster next season. This team was 11 games under .500 following the all star break. If they replace veterans with prospects and don't add a bunch of pitching we could be looking at a 100 lost team.
Who was the last “good” prospect brought in?Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑28 Sep 2025 20:32 pm I don’t care as long as they bring in more good prospects. I’m
Glad they are finally picking a direction the not going for it to win and not going for a rebuild was awful sustained mediocrity that lead to them neither winning nor building toward a winner and only appeased the gullible fans who thought they would win 90 every year.
MLB should crunch the financials on small market teams before they get too aggressive on a floor. Some teams have poor attendance even when they win and a poor tv deal.Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑28 Sep 2025 20:51 pmI was dead against a salary cap for years, but now am on board with it needs a cap and an extremely aggressive floor which pushes some bad owners to sell. Give Pit and Colorado a chance.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Sep 2025 20:47 pmThat's a good point - and MLB needs a salary cap even if it means a lockout and a lost season. It worked for the NHL and the Blues won a championship.Stlcardsblues wrote: ↑28 Sep 2025 20:27 pmDewitt isn’t spending this offseason in my view. He is all in on trying to get a salary cap. He isn’t doing anything until he sees how that plays out.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑28 Sep 2025 20:22 pm I kind of expect a really bad record in 2026. If they bring Marmol back on his one remaining contract year, I will suspect a tanking season is in the plans.
If they part ways with Marmol, there might be hope for some spending and a decently competitive year.
If they extend Marmol this winter, I don't know what to expect.
I do think Marmol is back. I would be stunned if he is extended this off season. Not sure on a team pinching pennies on payroll that is not a contender there is a real reason to fire him and waste revenue paying two managers when that can be used to fix long term issues. If you are going to replace a manager, do it when his contract ends.
I would not mind losing game to a lock out if it results in a cap and floor. Don’t lock out if it isn’t going to lead to it.
My gut is the owners will buckle and there will never be a cap.
They have an awful starting rotation and awful offense and three good relievers and an mediocre manager but yea other than that they’re close to being a playoff team and going to the World Series lolcardstatman wrote: ↑28 Sep 2025 21:15 pm I will not be pleased if they just trade away all of their best players for a bunch of prospects which will be lucky to be as good as the player we traded away.
I hope they win the draft lottery and are ineligible to win it next year. Maybe that will motivate them not to tank again.
They aren't that many players away from having a playoff team.
IMHO, there is no such thing as a playoff team which has no chance to win it all.
Make the playoffs, get hot, and win it all.
St Louis is a small market. Lose momemtum and it may not be easily regained.
Houston lost 106, 107, and 111 games in three straight seasons (2011-2013), but then went to four World Series, winning two of them, in the next decade.ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑28 Sep 2025 20:09 pm during the winter and 6 or 7 current minor leagues on the 26 man roster next season. This team was 11 games under .500 following the all star break. If they replace veterans with prospects and don't add a bunch of pitching we could be looking at a 100 lost team.