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Willson Contreras vs Kyle Tucker
Posted: 28 Sep 2025 14:06 pm
by Carp4Cy
Willson: .257/20/80 valuable mentor/teammate and leads the league in HBP Costs $18M AAV for the next 2 years
Tucker .273/22/73 Wants $400M
Is Tucker really worth that much more than a solid bat like Contreras?
Meanwhile, some y'all actually think Willson is overpaid and should be traded to get our committed payroll under $15M? yeah no. Stop schilling for Bill's grandkids inheritance.
Re: Willson Contreras vs Kyle Tucker
Posted: 29 Sep 2025 12:23 pm
by CorneliusWolfe
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑28 Sep 2025 14:06 pm
Willson: .257/20/80 valuable mentor/teammate and leads the league in HBP Costs $18M AAV for the next 2 years
Tucker .273/22/73 Wants $400M
Is Tucker really worth that much more than a solid bat like Contreras?
Meanwhile, some y'all actually think Willson is overpaid and should be traded to get our committed payroll under $15M? yeah no. Stop schilling for Bill's grandkids inheritance.
The save-BDW-money crowd are odd bunch but they want everyone gone who isn’t making league minimum. Lowest payroll is the trophy they desire most.
It’s the Burly-Fever crowd that won’t acknowledge WC’s value. They REALLY hate him because he’s blocking their hero’s ascension to MVP.
Check any Contreras-bashing thread and you’ll see those same posters slobbering over Burleson on other threads. Every time.
Re: Willson Contreras vs Kyle Tucker
Posted: 29 Sep 2025 12:36 pm
by 3dender
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑28 Sep 2025 14:06 pm
Willson: .257/20/80 valuable mentor/teammate and leads the league in HBP Costs $18M AAV for the next 2 years
Tucker .273/22/73 Wants $400M
Is Tucker really worth that much more than a solid bat like Contreras?
Meanwhile, some y'all actually think Willson is overpaid and should be traded to get our committed payroll under $15M? yeah no. Stop schilling for Bill's grandkids inheritance.
I can only conclude you're being actively disingenuous by leaving out a bunch of other highly relevant stats, such as:
OPS: .841 v. .791
wRC+: 136 v. 124
fWAR: 4.5 v. 2.8
Age: 28 v. 33
Re: Willson Contreras vs Kyle Tucker
Posted: 29 Sep 2025 13:17 pm
by CorneliusWolfe
3dender wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 12:36 pm
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑28 Sep 2025 14:06 pm
Willson: .257/20/80 valuable mentor/teammate and leads the league in HBP Costs $18M AAV for the next 2 years
Tucker .273/22/73 Wants $400M
Is Tucker really worth that much more than a solid bat like Contreras?
Meanwhile, some y'all actually think Willson is overpaid and should be traded to get our committed payroll under $15M? yeah no. Stop schilling for Bill's grandkids inheritance.
I can only conclude you're being actively disingenuous by leaving out a bunch of other highly relevant stats, such as:
OPS: .841 v. .791
wRC+: 136 v. 124
fWAR: 4.5 v. 2.8
Age: 28 v. 33
The numbers you cite don’t reflect the amount of disparity in the salaries, or salary demands, as noted in the OP.
But they are at least supportive of your argument, and that’s more effort than typically seen around here.
Re: Willson Contreras vs Kyle Tucker
Posted: 29 Sep 2025 13:24 pm
by ZouMiz2424
The OP left out that Tucker played with a fracture in his hand since June....
Re: Willson Contreras vs Kyle Tucker
Posted: 29 Sep 2025 13:28 pm
by alw80
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑28 Sep 2025 14:06 pm
Willson: .257/20/80 valuable mentor/teammate and leads the league in HBP Costs $18M AAV for the next 2 years
Tucker .273/22/73 Wants $400M
Is Tucker really worth that much more than a solid bat like Contreras?
Meanwhile, some y'all actually think Willson is overpaid and should be traded to get our committed payroll under $15M? yeah no. Stop schilling for Bill's grandkids inheritance.
Who has Willson mentored?
Re: Willson Contreras vs Kyle Tucker
Posted: 29 Sep 2025 13:30 pm
by alw80
CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 12:23 pm
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑28 Sep 2025 14:06 pm
Willson: .257/20/80 valuable mentor/teammate and leads the league in HBP Costs $18M AAV for the next 2 years
Tucker .273/22/73 Wants $400M
Is Tucker really worth that much more than a solid bat like Contreras?
Meanwhile, some y'all actually think Willson is overpaid and should be traded to get our committed payroll under $15M? yeah no. Stop schilling for Bill's grandkids inheritance.
The save-BDW-money crowd are odd bunch but they want everyone gone who isn’t making league minimum. Lowest payroll is the trophy they desire most.
It’s the Burly-Fever crowd that won’t acknowledge WC’s value. They REALLY hate him because he’s blocking their hero’s ascension to MVP.
Check any Contreras-bashing thread and you’ll see those same posters slobbering over Burleson on other threads. Every time.
It's not about saving money it's selling guys who have value. This team might not win 70 games the next couple of seasons, what does WC do for you on the team?
Re: Willson Contreras vs Kyle Tucker
Posted: 29 Sep 2025 14:17 pm
by Carp4Cy
ZouMiz2424 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 13:24 pm
The OP left out that Tucker played with a fracture in his hand since June....
Willson has had something fractured the past 2 years as well. The point is, at 18M he isn't "expensive" for providing well over 2/3rd of Tuckers.
Re: Willson Contreras vs Kyle Tucker
Posted: 29 Sep 2025 14:18 pm
by Carp4Cy
alw80 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 13:30 pm
CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 12:23 pm
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑28 Sep 2025 14:06 pm
Willson: .257/20/80 valuable mentor/teammate and leads the league in HBP Costs $18M AAV for the next 2 years
Tucker .273/22/73 Wants $400M
Is Tucker really worth that much more than a solid bat like Contreras?
Meanwhile, some y'all actually think Willson is overpaid and should be traded to get our committed payroll under $15M? yeah no. Stop schilling for Bill's grandkids inheritance.
The save-BDW-money crowd are odd bunch but they want everyone gone who isn’t making league minimum. Lowest payroll is the trophy they desire most.
It’s the Burly-Fever crowd that won’t acknowledge WC’s value. They REALLY hate him because he’s blocking their hero’s ascension to MVP.
Check any Contreras-bashing thread and you’ll see those same posters slobbering over Burleson on other threads. Every time.
It's not about saving money it's selling guys who have value. This team might not win 70 games the next couple of seasons, what does WC do for you on the team?
It IS about saving money when the return on the trade has an expected WAR of effectively 0.
Re: Willson Contreras vs Kyle Tucker
Posted: 29 Sep 2025 14:19 pm
by ZouMiz2424
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 14:17 pm
ZouMiz2424 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 13:24 pm
The OP left out that Tucker played with a fracture in his hand since June....
Willson has had something fractured the past 2 years as well. The point is, at 18M he isn't "expensive" for providing well over 2/3rd of Tuckers.
And went to the IL. Tucker played.
Re: Willson Contreras vs Kyle Tucker
Posted: 29 Sep 2025 14:24 pm
by Carp4Cy
ZouMiz2424 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 14:19 pm
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 14:17 pm
ZouMiz2424 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 13:24 pm
The OP left out that Tucker played with a fracture in his hand since June....
Willson has had something fractured the past 2 years as well. The point is, at 18M he isn't "expensive" for providing well over 2/3rd of Tuckers.
And went to the IL. Tucker played.
Nado also played hurt. And got roasted for it by most here.
Re: Willson Contreras vs Kyle Tucker
Posted: 29 Sep 2025 14:25 pm
by alw80
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 14:18 pm
alw80 wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 13:30 pm
CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 12:23 pm
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑28 Sep 2025 14:06 pm
Willson: .257/20/80 valuable mentor/teammate and leads the league in HBP Costs $18M AAV for the next 2 years
Tucker .273/22/73 Wants $400M
Is Tucker really worth that much more than a solid bat like Contreras?
Meanwhile, some y'all actually think Willson is overpaid and should be traded to get our committed payroll under $15M? yeah no. Stop schilling for Bill's grandkids inheritance.
The save-BDW-money crowd are odd bunch but they want everyone gone who isn’t making league minimum. Lowest payroll is the trophy they desire most.
It’s the Burly-Fever crowd that won’t acknowledge WC’s value. They REALLY hate him because he’s blocking their hero’s ascension to MVP.
Check any Contreras-bashing thread and you’ll see those same posters slobbering over Burleson on other threads. Every time.
It's not about saving money it's selling guys who have value. This team might not win 70 games the next couple of seasons, what does WC do for you on the team?
It IS about saving money when the return on the trade has an expected WAR of effectively 0.
Incorrect.
Re: Willson Contreras vs Kyle Tucker
Posted: 29 Sep 2025 14:26 pm
by scoutyjones2
3dender wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 12:36 pm
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑28 Sep 2025 14:06 pm
Willson: .257/20/80 valuable mentor/teammate and leads the league in HBP Costs $18M AAV for the next 2 years
Tucker .273/22/73 Wants $400M
Is Tucker really worth that much more than a solid bat like Contreras?
Meanwhile, some y'all actually think Willson is overpaid and should be traded to get our committed payroll under $15M? yeah no. Stop schilling for Bill's grandkids inheritance.
I can only conclude you're being actively disingenuous by leaving out a bunch of other highly relevant stats, such as:
OPS: .841 v. .791
wRC+: 136 v. 124
fWAR: 4.5 v. 2.8
Age: 28 v. 33
Silly wasn't it?
Re: Willson Contreras vs Kyle Tucker
Posted: 29 Sep 2025 14:31 pm
by Carp4Cy
3dender wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 12:36 pm
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑28 Sep 2025 14:06 pm
Willson: .257/20/80 valuable mentor/teammate and leads the league in HBP Costs $18M AAV for the next 2 years
Tucker .273/22/73 Wants $400M
Is Tucker really worth that much more than a solid bat like Contreras?
Meanwhile, some y'all actually think Willson is overpaid and should be traded to get our committed payroll under $15M? yeah no. Stop schilling for Bill's grandkids inheritance.
I can only conclude you're being actively disingenuous by leaving out a bunch of other highly relevant stats, such as:
OPS: .841 v. .791
wRC+: 136 v. 124
fWAR: 4.5 v. 2.8
Age: 28 v. 33
exactly. It shows that Tucker isn't 10x the player Willson is. Or even 5x or 2x. But he does want 10x the contract that Willson has left. Not saying Tucker isn't maybe worth it (though do any of you want to take that risk?), but that Willson is certainly worth what he's getting and is worth keeping, given the market these days. It doesn't take very my hyperbole to prove that $36M for 2 years is a small amount by comparison for a solid bat.
That should be pretty easy to understand if you have looked thru the FA market for any real value plays out there. They aren't there.
Re: Willson Contreras vs Kyle Tucker
Posted: 01 Oct 2025 05:12 am
by sikeston bulldog2
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 14:31 pm
3dender wrote: ↑29 Sep 2025 12:36 pm
Carp4Cy wrote: ↑28 Sep 2025 14:06 pm
Willson: .257/20/80 valuable mentor/teammate and leads the league in HBP Costs $18M AAV for the next 2 years
Tucker .273/22/73 Wants $400M
Is Tucker really worth that much more than a solid bat like Contreras?
Meanwhile, some y'all actually think Willson is overpaid and should be traded to get our committed payroll under $15M? yeah no. Stop schilling for Bill's grandkids inheritance.
I can only conclude you're being actively disingenuous by leaving out a bunch of other highly relevant stats, such as:
OPS: .841 v. .791
wRC+: 136 v. 124
fWAR: 4.5 v. 2.8
Age: 28 v. 33
exactly. It shows that Tucker isn't 10x the player Willson is. Or even 5x or 2x. But he does want 10x the contract that Willson has left. Not saying Tucker isn't maybe worth it (though do any of you want to take that risk?), but that Willson is certainly worth what he's getting and is worth keeping, given the market these days. It doesn't take very my hyperbole to prove that $36M for 2 years is a small amount by comparison for a solid bat.
That should be pretty easy to understand if you have looked thru the FA market for any real value plays out there. They aren't there.
I think your point is solid, actually both points. Willy is worth it, Tucker ain’t. Third point. If Tucker is the best free agent, then for that money, I’ll take my chances on a can’t miss prospect. If they exist.