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Interesting thought by the author at Redbirds Rant

He may be onto something

https://redbirdrants.com/chaim-bloom-s- ... n-revealed

Good article. I'm not convinced Bloom was the genius behind Tampa's success. They won 99 games in 2023 - 4 years after he left. If Rodriguez was the primary reason for their success then it's a good hire.

Meanwhile Boston got worse while he was there.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:33 am Good article. I'm not convinced Bloom was the genius behind Tampa's success. They won 99 games in 2023 - 4 years after he left. If Rodriguez was the primary reason for their success then it's a good hire.

Meanwhile Boston got worse while he was there.

Tampa got better after he was gone. Maybe the groundwork he layed had something to do with that. I know you are aware he was forced to shed salary in Boston and than was fired because of the fans blaming him. Than they got better as well. It's all how you want to frame it.

Bloom, is he all that some believe him to be?

Hired in 2019 by the Red Sux. Fired to start 2023 season...

How did he remake the Sux? One playoff appearance since 2019. That was 2021. It's 5-6 years later, and are the Sux really a contender?

I hope he's the antidote to help the Cards but color me suspicious.

Why do we need a POBO and a GM? Trying to save payroll why not start there.

2ninr wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:54 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:33 am Good article. I'm not convinced Bloom was the genius behind Tampa's success. They won 99 games in 2023 - 4 years after he left. If Rodriguez was the primary reason for their success then it's a good hire.

Meanwhile Boston got worse while he was there.

Tampa got better after he was gone. Maybe the groundwork he layed had something to do with that. I know you are aware he was forced to shed salary in Boston and than was fired because of the fans blaming him. Than they got better as well. It's all how you want to frame it.

As I understand it the question in Boston is whether the owner was pulling a Gussie Busch and ordering him to trade good and popular players like Betts and Bogaerts. Bottom line they got better after he left. Currently sitting at 87 wins.

If he was responsible for the Tampa success then that's great but I've known people who were quick to take credit for the success of others. I'm not so sure Andrew Friedman wasn't a big part of that. He seems to be doing well with the Dodgers.

Jatalk wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 07:29 am Why do we need a POBO and a GM? Trying to save payroll why not start there.

This is my question. Isn’t POBO the new yesteryear GM? What does a current GM do? Is he assist. GM?

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 07:30 am

2ninr wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:54 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:33 am Good article. I'm not convinced Bloom was the genius behind Tampa's success. They won 99 games in 2023 - 4 years after he left. If Rodriguez was the primary reason for their success then it's a good hire.

Meanwhile Boston got worse while he was there.

Tampa got better after he was gone. Maybe the groundwork he layed had something to do with that. I know you are aware he was forced to shed salary in Boston and than was fired because of the fans blaming him. Than they got better as well. It's all how you want to frame it.

As I understand it the question in Boston is whether the owner was pulling a Gussie Busch and ordering him to trade good and popular players like Betts and Bogaerts. Bottom line they got better after he left. Currently sitting at 87 wins.

If he was responsible for the Tampa success then that's great but I've known people who were quick to take credit for the success of others. I'm not so sure Andrew Friedman wasn't a big part of that. He seems to be doing well with the Dodgers.

2014: The Rays promoted Bloom to Vice President of Baseball Operations. His responsibilities expanded to include his overseeing domestic and international player development, a newly created baseball performance science department, trade negotiations, pro, amateur, and international scouting philosophy, personnel additions and changes throughout baseball operations, and short- and long-term strategic planning

Tampa's record:
2016: 68-94
2017: 80-82
2018: 90-72
2019: 96-66 (BLOOM LEAVES FOR BOSTON after season)
2020: 40-20 (Made it to the WS)
2021: 100-62
2022: 86-76
2023: 99-63
2024: 80-82

ScotchMIrish, unless you want to argue that Bloom got to take all the amateur players he signed/drafted and the scouting personnel/philosophy with him to Boston, then your argument is a bad one...

Regardless of Bloom's past projects, it would be extremely difficult to leave the Cardinals in a worse state than they are right now.

blackinkbiz wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 08:13 am Regardless of Bloom's past projects, it would be extremely difficult to leave the Cardinals in a worse state than they are right now.

True, but is it just moving chairs on the Titanic?

Read about Rodriquez here: https://www.mlb.com/rays/team/front-off ... -rodriguez

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 08:12 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 07:30 am

2ninr wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:54 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:33 am Good article. I'm not convinced Bloom was the genius behind Tampa's success. They won 99 games in 2023 - 4 years after he left. If Rodriguez was the primary reason for their success then it's a good hire.

Meanwhile Boston got worse while he was there.

Tampa got better after he was gone. Maybe the groundwork he layed had something to do with that. I know you are aware he was forced to shed salary in Boston and than was fired because of the fans blaming him. Than they got better as well. It's all how you want to frame it.

As I understand it the question in Boston is whether the owner was pulling a Gussie Busch and ordering him to trade good and popular players like Betts and Bogaerts. Bottom line they got better after he left. Currently sitting at 87 wins.

If he was responsible for the Tampa success then that's great but I've known people who were quick to take credit for the success of others. I'm not so sure Andrew Friedman wasn't a big part of that. He seems to be doing well with the Dodgers.

2014: The Rays promoted Bloom to Vice President of Baseball Operations. His responsibilities expanded to include his overseeing domestic and international player development, a newly created baseball performance science department, trade negotiations, pro, amateur, and international scouting philosophy, personnel additions and changes throughout baseball operations, and short- and long-term strategic planning

Tampa's record:
2016: 68-94
2017: 80-82
2018: 90-72
2019: 96-66 (BLOOM LEAVES FOR BOSTON after season)
2020: 40-20 (Made it to the WS)
2021: 100-62
2022: 86-76
2023: 99-63
2024: 80-82

ScotchMIrish, unless you want to argue that Bloom got to take all the amateur players he signed/drafted and the scouting personnel/philosophy with him to Boston, then your argument is a bad one...

Nice work Ecleme.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 07:30 am

2ninr wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:54 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:33 am Good article. I'm not convinced Bloom was the genius behind Tampa's success. They won 99 games in 2023 - 4 years after he left. If Rodriguez was the primary reason for their success then it's a good hire.

Meanwhile Boston got worse while he was there.

Tampa got better after he was gone. Maybe the groundwork he layed had something to do with that. I know you are aware he was forced to shed salary in Boston and than was fired because of the fans blaming him. Than they got better as well. It's all how you want to frame it.

As I understand it the question in Boston is whether the owner was pulling a Gussie Busch and ordering him to trade good and popular players like Betts and Bogaerts. Bottom line they got better after he left. Currently sitting at 87 wins.

If he was responsible for the Tampa success then that's great but I've known people who were quick to take credit for the success of others. I'm not so sure Andrew Friedman wasn't a big part of that. He seems to be doing well with the Dodgers.

The Marlins also hoped to catch some of the Rays thunder by hiring Peter Bendix who was in the Rays organization for a long time. So there's a million teams out there trying to get whatever they can out of the Rays. It always remains to be seen what impact each one of the individuals can have on their own. All we hope for Bloom is to be a smart baseball guy in charge of the Cardinals.

Want to measure Bloom's success in both TB & Boston a few years after he left, then look at the STOCKED farm systems he left both teams that set them up for success down the road after he left.

Those players, who take anywhere from three to five years to reach MLB, were drafted and developed under his system.

He's inheriting a massive mess from Mo and has a big job turning the franchise around.

The farm system is now on the right path, let's see what he does this winter to the major league roster.

And I'd put R. Cerfolio as the favorite for the GM office.

ecleme22 wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 08:12 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 07:30 am

2ninr wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:54 am

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑26 Sep 2025 06:33 am Good article. I'm not convinced Bloom was the genius behind Tampa's success. They won 99 games in 2023 - 4 years after he left. If Rodriguez was the primary reason for their success then it's a good hire.

Meanwhile Boston got worse while he was there.

Tampa got better after he was gone. Maybe the groundwork he layed had something to do with that. I know you are aware he was forced to shed salary in Boston and than was fired because of the fans blaming him. Than they got better as well. It's all how you want to frame it.

As I understand it the question in Boston is whether the owner was pulling a Gussie Busch and ordering him to trade good and popular players like Betts and Bogaerts. Bottom line they got better after he left. Currently sitting at 87 wins.

If he was responsible for the Tampa success then that's great but I've known people who were quick to take credit for the success of others. I'm not so sure Andrew Friedman wasn't a big part of that. He seems to be doing well with the Dodgers.

2014: The Rays promoted Bloom to Vice President of Baseball Operations. His responsibilities expanded to include his overseeing domestic and international player development, a newly created baseball performance science department, trade negotiations, pro, amateur, and international scouting philosophy, personnel additions and changes throughout baseball operations, and short- and long-term strategic planning

Tampa's record:
2016: 68-94
2017: 80-82
2018: 90-72
2019: 96-66 (BLOOM LEAVES FOR BOSTON after season)
2020: 40-20 (Made it to the WS)
2021: 100-62
2022: 86-76
2023: 99-63
2024: 80-82

ScotchMIrish, unless you want to argue that Bloom got to take all the amateur players he signed/drafted and the scouting personnel/philosophy with him to Boston, then your argument is a bad one...

Kevin Cash stayed in Tampa. Tampa won 100/86/99 and Boston posted losing records. Perhaps the manager had something to do with the success? Perhaps Friedman also had something to do with Tampa's success?

I've knows people whose best quality is taking credit for the accomplishments of others. Bloom was unemployed until the Cardinals hired him. If he was the driver of Tampa's success then great but I'll let him show it in the standings rather than stipulate to it.

What the he!! is Tampa doing with 4 Assistant GM's? Idiotic