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Yeah, if we can be this close with 4 games left with this team, you are probably right. My point was (and it seems like we are in agreement) that we are not in for years of awfulness. There will be change. There may be some awkwardness- but not as much awfulness as is being discussed.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 21:44 pm Adding one (preferably two) starting pitchers and a solid bat would put them in WC contention next year.
I hope this turns out to be the case. Maybe Walker or Gorman or Scott/Church figures it out and becomes an offensive threat.Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 21:52 pmYeah, if we can be this close with 4 games left with this team, you are probably right. My point was (and it seems like we are in agreement) that we are not in for years of awfulness. There will be change. There may be some awkwardness- but not as much awfulness as is being discussed.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 21:44 pm Adding one (preferably two) starting pitchers and a solid bat would put them in WC contention next year.
You appear to be assuming that zero assets will be traded away from this “almost wild card” team in the offseason. Bloom will attempt to get Gray, Nado and WC to wave their NTCs, so he can trade them for future assets. We will probably be worse next year, so we can be better in ‘27/‘28.Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 21:52 pmYeah, if we can be this close with 4 games left with this team, you are probably right. My point was (and it seems like we are in agreement) that we are not in for years of awfulness. There will be change. There may be some awkwardness- but not as much awfulness as is being discussed.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 21:44 pm Adding one (preferably two) starting pitchers and a solid bat would put them in WC contention next year.
That seems consistent with the timeline I put out.BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 23:14 pmYou appear to be assuming that zero assets will be traded away from this “almost wild card” team in the offseason. Bloom will attempt to get Gray, Nado and WC to wave their NTCs, so he can trade them for future assets. We will probably be worse next year, so we can be better in ‘27/‘28.Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 21:52 pmYeah, if we can be this close with 4 games left with this team, you are probably right. My point was (and it seems like we are in agreement) that we are not in for years of awfulness. There will be change. There may be some awkwardness- but not as much awfulness as is being discussed.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 21:44 pm Adding one (preferably two) starting pitchers and a solid bat would put them in WC contention next year.
2ninr wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 06:58 am It's really hard to predict. Will any of Hence, Roby, Hjerpe, Rom be healthy and contribute by 27'? Will there be a 27'? Will Quinn Matthews start 26' in the majors? Will Westerholt be the player everyone expects? Bloom is known to slow play his prospects, especially pitching. Anything I or anyone else says is a wild guess. My wild guess is none of those injured pitchers ever start in the big leagues. Matthews is a back of the rotation starter. Mautz, Henderson, and Doyle will be here by 28. There won't be much winning until than. 27 doesn't happen. If Blooms pitching factory is churning out starters by than, we should be in good shape as an organization heading into the next decade.
To soon to say. It seems safe to say 2026 won't be the year.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 07:03 am2ninr wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 06:58 am It's really hard to predict. Will any of Hence, Roby, Hjerpe, Rom be healthy and contribute by 27'? Will there be a 27'? Will Quinn Matthews start 26' in the majors? Will Westerholt be the player everyone expects? Bloom is known to slow play his prospects, especially pitching. Anything I or anyone else says is a wild guess. My wild guess is none of those injured pitchers ever start in the big leagues. Matthews is a back of the rotation starter. Mautz, Henderson, and Doyle will be here by 28. There won't be much winning until than. 27 doesn't happen. If Blooms pitching factory is churning out starters by than, we should be in good shape as an organization heading into the next decade.
Longest non appearance in a WS is 18 years as a franchise. We are are 12 now. To tie the record, it would have to be 2031. Do you think we threaten this number.
This would be franchise tieing, rivaling the period 1946-1964, and 1987-2004. Another stretch of the 70’s/90’s results.Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 07:13 amTo soon to say. It seems safe to say 2026 won't be the year.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 07:03 am2ninr wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 06:58 am It's really hard to predict. Will any of Hence, Roby, Hjerpe, Rom be healthy and contribute by 27'? Will there be a 27'? Will Quinn Matthews start 26' in the majors? Will Westerholt be the player everyone expects? Bloom is known to slow play his prospects, especially pitching. Anything I or anyone else says is a wild guess. My wild guess is none of those injured pitchers ever start in the big leagues. Matthews is a back of the rotation starter. Mautz, Henderson, and Doyle will be here by 28. There won't be much winning until than. 27 doesn't happen. If Blooms pitching factory is churning out starters by than, we should be in good shape as an organization heading into the next decade.
Longest non appearance in a WS is 18 years as a franchise. We are are 12 now. To tie the record, it would have to be 2031. Do you think we threaten this number.
I would settle for a tie.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 07:03 am2ninr wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 06:58 am It's really hard to predict. Will any of Hence, Roby, Hjerpe, Rom be healthy and contribute by 27'? Will there be a 27'? Will Quinn Matthews start 26' in the majors? Will Westerholt be the player everyone expects? Bloom is known to slow play his prospects, especially pitching. Anything I or anyone else says is a wild guess. My wild guess is none of those injured pitchers ever start in the big leagues. Matthews is a back of the rotation starter. Mautz, Henderson, and Doyle will be here by 28. There won't be much winning until than. 27 doesn't happen. If Blooms pitching factory is churning out starters by than, we should be in good shape as an organization heading into the next decade.
Longest non appearance in a WS is 18 years as a franchise. We are are 12 now. To tie the record, it would have to be 2031. Do you think we threaten this number.
That’s not good. Six more years minimum.2ninr wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 07:19 amI would settle for a tie.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 07:03 am2ninr wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 06:58 am It's really hard to predict. Will any of Hence, Roby, Hjerpe, Rom be healthy and contribute by 27'? Will there be a 27'? Will Quinn Matthews start 26' in the majors? Will Westerholt be the player everyone expects? Bloom is known to slow play his prospects, especially pitching. Anything I or anyone else says is a wild guess. My wild guess is none of those injured pitchers ever start in the big leagues. Matthews is a back of the rotation starter. Mautz, Henderson, and Doyle will be here by 28. There won't be much winning until than. 27 doesn't happen. If Blooms pitching factory is churning out starters by than, we should be in good shape as an organization heading into the next decade.
Longest non appearance in a WS is 18 years as a franchise. We are are 12 now. To tie the record, it would have to be 2031. Do you think we threaten this number.
Losing Gray will be a hit, for sure. But he should bring back pieces of value. Losing Nado will hurt on defense, but the team was mostly fine without him. Losing WC, which I am still not convinced he waives his NTC, would not be a huge loss. Burly is better at 1B than OF anyway and we’ve got a huge pool of quality middle infielders to get reps to. I’d hate to see Donny go but his value will never be higher.BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 23:14 pmYou appear to be assuming that zero assets will be traded away from this “almost wild card” team in the offseason. Bloom will attempt to get Gray, Nado and WC to wave their NTCs, so he can trade them for future assets. We will probably be worse next year, so we can be better in ‘27/‘28.Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 21:52 pmYeah, if we can be this close with 4 games left with this team, you are probably right. My point was (and it seems like we are in agreement) that we are not in for years of awfulness. There will be change. There may be some awkwardness- but not as much awfulness as is being discussed.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 21:44 pm Adding one (preferably two) starting pitchers and a solid bat would put them in WC contention next year.
I think you are correct on the pitching by the end of next year. With promotions to AAA, possible additions over the winter, and improving health (Roby, Hjerpe) we should start to develop the pool you are referring to. I'll believe Hence gets healthy when I see it. There will also be someone who develops health issues that we didn't see coming- but a pool to draw from will help mitigate that.Ron Gant's Bicep wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 07:26 amLosing Gray will be a hit, for sure. But he should bring back pieces of value. Losing Nado will hurt on defense, but the team was mostly fine without him. Losing WC, which I am still not convinced he waives his NTC, would not be a huge loss. Burly is better at 1B than OF anyway and we’ve got a huge pool of quality middle infielders to get reps to. I’d hate to see Donny go but his value will never be higher.BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 23:14 pmYou appear to be assuming that zero assets will be traded away from this “almost wild card” team in the offseason. Bloom will attempt to get Gray, Nado and WC to wave their NTCs, so he can trade them for future assets. We will probably be worse next year, so we can be better in ‘27/‘28.Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 21:52 pmYeah, if we can be this close with 4 games left with this team, you are probably right. My point was (and it seems like we are in agreement) that we are not in for years of awfulness. There will be change. There may be some awkwardness- but not as much awfulness as is being discussed.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 21:44 pm Adding one (preferably two) starting pitchers and a solid bat would put them in WC contention next year.
The OF likely looks completely different, as I’d wager Walker is in AAA barring massive changes to his approach and Noot is traded. Scott/Church battle it out for CF and they likely need to look outside the org for a young lottery ticket corner OF unless they really want to go with the likes of Koperniak.
If they can finally get consistent health, next year will be the first time in years where they will actually have legitimate pitching depth at AAA. There will be growing pains among young pitchers, but I think by the end of next year we may start to see signs of a deep pitching pool to build around.
I don't think you're too far off. I don't think the organization is that far off. I don't think we need a lengthy rebuild, because I don't think we're that bad, and it's not like we're crippled for years with a bunch of aging players on bad contracts.Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 21:29 pm 2026- Re-shape the roster
2027- Compete for wildcard
2028- Compete for Division title
2029- Compete for deep playoff run
This is conservative and I think the new front office can expedite these timelines.
The MLB players traded in the offseason will be a hit to the 2026 MLB roster and record. The talent received in return will likely not be on the 2026 MLB roster, but will provide future value in 2027/2028.Ron Gant's Bicep wrote: ↑25 Sep 2025 07:26 amLosing Gray will be a hit, for sure. But he should bring back pieces of value. Losing Nado will hurt on defense, but the team was mostly fine without him. Losing WC, which I am still not convinced he waives his NTC, would not be a huge loss. Burly is better at 1B than OF anyway and we’ve got a huge pool of quality middle infielders to get reps to. I’d hate to see Donny go but his value will never be higher.BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 23:14 pmYou appear to be assuming that zero assets will be traded away from this “almost wild card” team in the offseason. Bloom will attempt to get Gray, Nado and WC to wave their NTCs, so he can trade them for future assets. We will probably be worse next year, so we can be better in ‘27/‘28.Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 21:52 pmYeah, if we can be this close with 4 games left with this team, you are probably right. My point was (and it seems like we are in agreement) that we are not in for years of awfulness. There will be change. There may be some awkwardness- but not as much awfulness as is being discussed.JuanAgosto wrote: ↑24 Sep 2025 21:44 pm Adding one (preferably two) starting pitchers and a solid bat would put them in WC contention next year.
The OF likely looks completely different, as I’d wager Walker is in AAA barring massive changes to his approach and Noot is traded. Scott/Church battle it out for CF and they likely need to look outside the org for a young lottery ticket corner OF unless they really want to go with the likes of Koperniak.
If they can finally get consistent health, next year will be the first time in years where they will actually have legitimate pitching depth at AAA. There will be growing pains among young pitchers, but I think by the end of next year we may start to see signs of a deep pitching pool to build around.