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Vinegar Ben wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 19:19 pm If you have been watching him lately look at the expression on his face. He doesn't seem to be focused on the game. He is a poor fielding 3rd baseman. Keep Nolan for his defense. They aren't going anywhere. Buy him a bus ticket to Colorado. He will fit pretty good there.

Absolut wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 19:30 pm I personally need another 1400 at bats. Just to be sure.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 19:22 pm

Vinegar Ben wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 19:19 pm If you have been watching him lately look at the expression on his face. He doesn't seem to be focused on the game. He is a poor fielding 3rd baseman. Keep Nolan for his defense. They aren't going anywhere. Buy him a bus ticket to Colorado. He will fit pretty good there.

+1 I’m not interested in seeing another runway of him sucking and being a sub .700 ops poor fielder and that’s what he will do because that’s what he is no matter how much people wish he could be better. Trade him while he still probably has some value instead of waiting like Carlson for him to have next to no value

Talkin' Baseball wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 19:39 pm

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 19:22 pm

Vinegar Ben wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 19:19 pm If you have been watching him lately look at the expression on his face. He doesn't seem to be focused on the game. He is a poor fielding 3rd baseman. Keep Nolan for his defense. They aren't going anywhere. Buy him a bus ticket to Colorado. He will fit pretty good there.

+1 I’m not interested in seeing another runway of him sucking and being a sub .700 ops poor fielder and that’s what he will do because that’s what he is no matter how much people wish he could be better. Trade him while he still probably has some value instead of waiting like Carlson for him to have next to no value

This is where things are.

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 20:39 pm I think Gorman may be dealt in the offseason. Walker may get another year.

imadangman wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 18:52 pm We are tired of Gorman, but common sense says 2026 is his "last shot." Last shot to build trade value that is.

I got to thinking the potential is still there for Gorman to build trade value. Not so much with a guy like Nootbaar(who was discussed today), who seems to have his flaws well defined at this point.

Let's say Gorman had his "Tyler O'Neill 2021" season... as a 2nd baseman. I think you could indeed build enough allure for at least one team out there to believe he is... "the unicorn." Ultimately, I think it would be foolish to not capitalize on the trade value in this scenario. Even if he had a big 1st half to where he's got 20+ homers at the break, you'd probably be best to hit the stop button right there and trade him at the deadline to a contender.

I guess you could come into the season with Wetherholt at 3B and Donnie in LF. We like Wetherholt playing 2B but plenty of rookies do hop around the field a bit before settling into "their" position. There can be player decisions, there can be team decisions. I'm sure rookies are programmed to understand this. I'm sure Pujols did not feel "entitled" to a certain defensive position in 2001.

TLDR: there might be nothing to lose by keeping Gorman around for 2026 on the off chance that he can build some trade value.

Melville wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 20:47 pm

imadangman wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 18:52 pm We are tired of Gorman, but common sense says 2026 is his "last shot." Last shot to build trade value that is.

I got to thinking the potential is still there for Gorman to build trade value. Not so much with a guy like Nootbaar(who was discussed today), who seems to have his flaws well defined at this point.

Let's say Gorman had his "Tyler O'Neill 2021" season... as a 2nd baseman. I think you could indeed build enough allure for at least one team out there to believe he is... "the unicorn." Ultimately, I think it would be foolish to not capitalize on the trade value in this scenario. Even if he had a big 1st half to where he's got 20+ homers at the break, you'd probably be best to hit the stop button right there and trade him at the deadline to a contender.

I guess you could come into the season with Wetherholt at 3B and Donnie in LF. We like Wetherholt playing 2B but plenty of rookies do hop around the field a bit before settling into "their" position. There can be player decisions, there can be team decisions. I'm sure rookies are programmed to understand this. I'm sure Pujols did not feel "entitled" to a certain defensive position in 2001.

TLDR: there might be nothing to lose by keeping Gorman around for 2026 on the off chance that he can build some trade value.

Gorman has far more value than most think.
Folks tend to miss the fact that this year his is on pace for 22 HR, 79 RBI, and 80 runs, per 600 PA's.
That would put his production in roughly the top 3rd of 3B's.
And top 3rd in 2B.
And even higher among LH hitters at those spots.
Understandably, a lot of folks get stick on the K's or BA - and forget the game is about production.
Not an endorsement.
Simply unbiased fact.
If they shop him, there will be a long line.

Melville wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 20:47 pm

imadangman wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 18:52 pm We are tired of Gorman, but common sense says 2026 is his "last shot." Last shot to build trade value that is.

I got to thinking the potential is still there for Gorman to build trade value. Not so much with a guy like Nootbaar(who was discussed today), who seems to have his flaws well defined at this point.

Let's say Gorman had his "Tyler O'Neill 2021" season... as a 2nd baseman. I think you could indeed build enough allure for at least one team out there to believe he is... "the unicorn." Ultimately, I think it would be foolish to not capitalize on the trade value in this scenario. Even if he had a big 1st half to where he's got 20+ homers at the break, you'd probably be best to hit the stop button right there and trade him at the deadline to a contender.

I guess you could come into the season with Wetherholt at 3B and Donnie in LF. We like Wetherholt playing 2B but plenty of rookies do hop around the field a bit before settling into "their" position. There can be player decisions, there can be team decisions. I'm sure rookies are programmed to understand this. I'm sure Pujols did not feel "entitled" to a certain defensive position in 2001.

TLDR: there might be nothing to lose by keeping Gorman around for 2026 on the off chance that he can build some trade value.

Gorman has far more value than most think.
Folks tend to miss the fact that this year his is on pace for 22 HR, 79 RBI, and 80 runs, per 600 PA's.
That would put his production in roughly the top 3rd of 3B's.
And top 3rd in 2B.
And even higher among LH hitters at those spots.
Understandably, a lot of folks get stick on the K's or BA - and forget the game is about production.
Not an endorsement.
Simply unbiased fact.
If they shop him, there will be a long line.

Melville wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 20:47 pm

imadangman wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 18:52 pm We are tired of Gorman, but common sense says 2026 is his "last shot." Last shot to build trade value that is.

I got to thinking the potential is still there for Gorman to build trade value. Not so much with a guy like Nootbaar(who was discussed today), who seems to have his flaws well defined at this point.

Let's say Gorman had his "Tyler O'Neill 2021" season... as a 2nd baseman. I think you could indeed build enough allure for at least one team out there to believe he is... "the unicorn." Ultimately, I think it would be foolish to not capitalize on the trade value in this scenario. Even if he had a big 1st half to where he's got 20+ homers at the break, you'd probably be best to hit the stop button right there and trade him at the deadline to a contender.

I guess you could come into the season with Wetherholt at 3B and Donnie in LF. We like Wetherholt playing 2B but plenty of rookies do hop around the field a bit before settling into "their" position. There can be player decisions, there can be team decisions. I'm sure rookies are programmed to understand this. I'm sure Pujols did not feel "entitled" to a certain defensive position in 2001.

TLDR: there might be nothing to lose by keeping Gorman around for 2026 on the off chance that he can build some trade value.

Gorman has far more value than most think.
Folks tend to miss the fact that this year his is on pace for 22 HR, 79 RBI, and 80 runs, per 600 PA's.
That would put his production in roughly the top 3rd of 3B's.
And top 3rd in 2B.
And even higher among LH hitters at those spots.
Understandably, a lot of folks get stick on the K's or BA - and forget the game is about production.
Not an endorsement.
Simply unbiased fact.
If they shop him, there will be a long line.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 20:40 pm

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑23 Sep 2025 20:39 pm I think Gorman may be dealt in the offseason. Walker may get another year.

That’s what I’m thinking happens.