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"What does breakout season for Nootbaar look like?"
Posted: 22 Sep 2025 18:44 pm
by Melville
Remember that thread from the beginning of the season?
Can't locate it now.
Re: "What does breakout season for Nootbaar look like?"
Posted: 22 Sep 2025 18:46 pm
by dugoutrex
Melville wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 18:44 pm
Remember that thread from the beginning of the season?
Can't locate it now.
I want the BLT with x-tra mayo so it is time to get off your phone and get back to work!
Re: "What does breakout season for Nootbaar look like?"
Posted: 22 Sep 2025 18:48 pm
by Goldfan
It was a trick question…..
Re: "What does breakout season for Nootbaar look like?"
Posted: 22 Sep 2025 18:50 pm
by Melville
Goldfan wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 18:48 pm
It was a trick question…..
I remember my reply.
Wonder if others remember theirs?
Re: "What does breakout season for Nootbaar look like?"
Posted: 22 Sep 2025 18:54 pm
by HorseTrader
would Noot being traded to another team count?
Re: "What does breakout season for Nootbaar look like?"
Posted: 22 Sep 2025 18:59 pm
by Goldfan
Melville wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 18:50 pm
Goldfan wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 18:48 pm
It was a trick question…..
I remember my reply.
Wonder if others remember theirs?
I could’ve saved BDW and FO the magical Season of Yutes for the following players
Noot
Gorman
Walker
Scott
Pallante
And even old farts Mile and Fedde…..
I assume we’ll be wasting another MLB season next year on either the same set of Yutes or a new set of Mediocre talent
Re: "What does breakout season for Nootbaar look like?"
Posted: 22 Sep 2025 19:03 pm
by cardstatman
.236 .323 .366 .689 is not it.
.AVG .OBP .SLG .OPS Year Sprint Speed.
.239 .317 .422 .739 2021 28.4
.228 .340 .448 .788 2022 28.2
.261 .367 .418 .784 2023 27.8
.244 .342 .417 .758 2024 27.0
.236 .323 .366 .689 2025 27.0
It is time to trade him.
Re: "What does breakout season for Nootbaar look like?"
Posted: 22 Sep 2025 19:04 pm
by Goldfan
cardstatman wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 19:03 pm
.236 .323 .366 .689 is not it.
.AVG .OBP .SLG .OPS Year Sprint Speed.
.239 .317 .422 .739 2021 28.4
.228 .340 .448 .788 2022 28.2
.261 .367 .418 .784 2023 27.8
.244 .342 .417 .758 2024 27.0
.236 .323 .366 .689 2025 27.0
It is time to trade him.
It was time to trade him after ‘23 and peak Japanese Ohtani/Noot fever
Re: "What does breakout season for Nootbaar look like?"
Posted: 22 Sep 2025 19:18 pm
by Talkin' Baseball
One need only look at his stat line from 2022.
Re: "What does breakout season for Nootbaar look like?"
Posted: 22 Sep 2025 19:22 pm
by Talkin' Baseball
Melville wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 18:44 pm
Remember that thread from the beginning of the season?
Can't locate it now.
You and I don't agree on everything, but I remember agreeing with you on that thread. We were both past wanting to trade him then. According to Baseball Trade Values, his trade value was about 3 times greater at that point than it is now. Some wouldn't hear it.
Re: "What does breakout season for Nootbaar look like?"
Posted: 22 Sep 2025 19:25 pm
by Braund241
Melville wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 18:44 pm
Remember that thread from the beginning of the season?
Can't locate it now.
.330 40 HR 120 RBI for any one but the Cards. Can’t hit a lick in Birds uniform.
Re: "What does breakout season for Nootbaar look like?"
Posted: 22 Sep 2025 20:24 pm
by imadangman
It was my original thread
I was on the fence about Nootbaar. I knew he was a darling of the analytic-leaning crowd because of his OB% and that he could post a high WAR/162 during the time he stayed healthy. Many posters were even calling on Noot to be a breakout player, before the season. They were acting like he was indispensable.
So my goal was to really press these people what they think he could actually do. First, could he even stay healthy. And second, give me some hard numbers of what would have warranted a "breakout season." For me, if he could have hit .250/.350/.460+ with 25 homers, I would have called it a breakout. I'm not saying I expected that. I'm saying that's the baseline he would have to reach for me to recognize a breakout season. Otherwise, he's a 4th OF / platoon piece as he has been all along.
Beyond that, would be the question of if he could even rattle off a string of 5 consistent seasons. I think that always looked very far-fetched, even moreso now.
Re: "What does breakout season for Nootbaar look like?"
Posted: 22 Sep 2025 20:27 pm
by imadangman
Goldfan wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 19:04 pm
cardstatman wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 19:03 pm
.236 .323 .366 .689 is not it.
.AVG .OBP .SLG .OPS Year Sprint Speed.
.239 .317 .422 .739 2021 28.4
.228 .340 .448 .788 2022 28.2
.261 .367 .418 .784 2023 27.8
.244 .342 .417 .758 2024 27.0
.236 .323 .366 .689 2025 27.0
It is time to trade him.
It was time to trade him after ‘23 and peak Japanese Ohtani/Noot fever
Absolutely
Re: "What does breakout season for Nootbaar look like?"
Posted: 22 Sep 2025 20:30 pm
by imadangman
He's always had the same limitations. Can't hit lefties and has one hot month a year the rest of the time he's ice cold or injured. 4th outfielder.
Re: "What does breakout season for Nootbaar look like?"
Posted: 22 Sep 2025 20:35 pm
by JuanAgosto
I think we have seen the best of Lars Nootbaar. Hes a 7th or 8th best starter on a good team. On Mo's roster, he's a cleanup hitter.
What a pathetic putz ol Johnny jackass has been.
Re: "What does breakout season for Nootbaar look like?"
Posted: 22 Sep 2025 20:46 pm
by Melville
imadangman wrote: ↑22 Sep 2025 20:24 pm
It was my original thread
I was on the fence about Nootbaar. I knew he was a darling of the analytic-leaning crowd because of his OB% and that he could post a high WAR/162 during the time he stayed healthy. Many posters were even calling on Noot to be a breakout player, before the season. They were acting like he was indispensable.
So my goal was to really press these people what they think he could actually do. First, could he even stay healthy. And second, give me some hard numbers of what would have warranted a "breakout season." For me, if he could have hit .250/.350/.460+ with 25 homers, I would have called it a breakout. I'm not saying I expected that. I'm saying that's the baseline he would have to reach for me to recognize a breakout season. Otherwise, he's a 4th OF / platoon piece as he has been all along.
Beyond that, would be the question of if he could even rattle off a string of 5 consistent seasons. I think that always looked very far-fetched, even moreso now.
Thank you for reclaiming that original thread.
A lot of folks were projecting Nootbaar to hit 20 HR.
Others 25.
As I recall, there was also a generally optimistic range concerning runs scored and RBI - 80's & 90's.
I said otherwise.
I said it would be a breakout year if he could score 70 runs, drive in 55, and hit 15 HR.
I pointed out he had never reached any of those numbers.
Said it would be a huge breakout if he did it in 2025.
Everyone without exception said I was wrong, and my numbers were too low.
Looks like they were too high.