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The cubs should not have had such a drunken celebration for doing nothing except clinching a wild card spot. BFD. Oh how I hope they get knocked out in the first round.
I watched it as well toward the end. And you could see the determination on Greene's face that he was going to finish that game and nobody was going to tell him differently. It was so refreshing to see. And after it was over, you could lip read what he yelled: "My game."Imperial Capitalist wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 08:34 am I watched this game. Greene threw a 102 mph FB on pitch #108 - impressive, to say the least.
We’ve survived many years with underwhelming offenses by being able to pitch games like that.12xu wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 07:03 am A pitchers' duel at the Great American Smallpark last night, as Hunter Greene tossed a 1 hit shutout vs the small bears. He threw 109 pitches, struck out 9 and walked only 1. Colin Rea pitched very well for the cubs, allowing just 1 run on 4 hits and 0 walks. He struck out 11 in his 7 IP. The whole affair was completed in 1 hour and 59 minutes.
Baseball like it used to be.
The 1963, 1965, and 1966 LA Dodgers were prime examples of what you just stated. Koufax, Drysdale, Podres, Perranoski held opposing batters in check, while the Dodgers speedy singles hitters scored just enough to win many low scoring games. Ironically, in ‘66, the Dodgers lost the World Series to the Orioles who had their own staff of great pitchers — Palmer, Cuellar, McNally, etc.CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 10:38 amWe’ve survived many years with underwhelming offenses by being able to pitch games like that.12xu wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 07:03 am A pitchers' duel at the Great American Smallpark last night, as Hunter Greene tossed a 1 hit shutout vs the small bears. He threw 109 pitches, struck out 9 and walked only 1. Colin Rea pitched very well for the cubs, allowing just 1 run on 4 hits and 0 walks. He struck out 11 in his 7 IP. The whole affair was completed in 1 hour and 59 minutes.
Baseball like it used to be.
Above all else, pitching wins. Great pitching teams with mediocre offense have gone all the way several times. Rarely the other way around.
Yes, great pitching wins - but complete game shutouts are rare as hen's teeth in MLB today. Back in the 60's, CG shutouts were much more common. To lead the league, a pitcher had to have at least 5 shutouts. Gibson had 13 in 1968, and Koufax had 11 in 1963. Even in the 70's pitchers would strive to complete what they started. Jim Palmer had 10 in '75.CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 10:38 amWe’ve survived many years with underwhelming offenses by being able to pitch games like that.12xu wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 07:03 am A pitchers' duel at the Great American Smallpark last night, as Hunter Greene tossed a 1 hit shutout vs the small bears. He threw 109 pitches, struck out 9 and walked only 1. Colin Rea pitched very well for the cubs, allowing just 1 run on 4 hits and 0 walks. He struck out 11 in his 7 IP. The whole affair was completed in 1 hour and 59 minutes.
Baseball like it used to be.
Above all else, pitching wins. Great pitching teams with mediocre offense have gone all the way several times. Rarely the other way around.
I knew they were rare, but not quite that rare. Eye opening for sure. They’ll likely remain rare with smaller parks, big bases, and rules that generally favor offense. Good stuff12xu wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 11:52 amYes, great pitching wins - but complete game shutouts are rare as hen's teeth in MLB today. Back in the 60's, CG shutouts were much more common. To lead the league, a pitcher had to have at least 5 shutouts. Gibson had 13 in 1968, and Koufax had 11 in 1963. Even in the 70's pitchers would strive to complete what they started. Jim Palmer had 10 in '75.CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 10:38 amWe’ve survived many years with underwhelming offenses by being able to pitch games like that.12xu wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 07:03 am A pitchers' duel at the Great American Smallpark last night, as Hunter Greene tossed a 1 hit shutout vs the small bears. He threw 109 pitches, struck out 9 and walked only 1. Colin Rea pitched very well for the cubs, allowing just 1 run on 4 hits and 0 walks. He struck out 11 in his 7 IP. The whole affair was completed in 1 hour and 59 minutes.
Baseball like it used to be.
Above all else, pitching wins. Great pitching teams with mediocre offense have gone all the way several times. Rarely the other way around.
John Tudor of the Cardinals had the last double digit shutout season with 10 in '85. Since 2018, the MLB leaders in shutouts pitched has only had either 1 or 2.
I always appreciate the history lessons I get on here. I missed some great eras of Cardinal and baseball in general. I love those type of teams. I started watching during the later running redbird era and even as a little kid I understood why it was exciting and entertaining.Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 11:19 amThe 1963, 1965, and 1966 LA Dodgers were prime examples of what you just stated. Koufax, Drysdale, Podres, Perranoski held opposing batters in check, while the Dodgers speedy singles hitters scored just enough to win many low scoring games. Ironically, in ‘66, the Dodgers lost the World Series to the Orioles who had their own staff of great pitchers — Palmer, Cuellar, McNally, etc.CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 10:38 amWe’ve survived many years with underwhelming offenses by being able to pitch games like that.12xu wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 07:03 am A pitchers' duel at the Great American Smallpark last night, as Hunter Greene tossed a 1 hit shutout vs the small bears. He threw 109 pitches, struck out 9 and walked only 1. Colin Rea pitched very well for the cubs, allowing just 1 run on 4 hits and 0 walks. He struck out 11 in his 7 IP. The whole affair was completed in 1 hour and 59 minutes.
Baseball like it used to be.
Above all else, pitching wins. Great pitching teams with mediocre offense have gone all the way several times. Rarely the other way around.
Also weird that the runner in that case is not out for being hit by a batted ball because the ball had already cleared the Reds first baseman.illinik wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 14:47 pm What? No mention of the 3-8-6 forceout? First of it's kind!
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/776282/vide ... ong-gd6gj6
The Cards traded Cuellar to Bmore. Dumb goes way back in the family tree, as it were.Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 11:19 amThe 1963, 1965, and 1966 LA Dodgers were prime examples of what you just stated. Koufax, Drysdale, Podres, Perranoski held opposing batters in check, while the Dodgers speedy singles hitters scored just enough to win many low scoring games. Ironically, in ‘66, the Dodgers lost the World Series to the Orioles who had their own staff of great pitchers — Palmer, Cuellar, McNally, etc.CorneliusWolfe wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 10:38 amWe’ve survived many years with underwhelming offenses by being able to pitch games like that.12xu wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 07:03 am A pitchers' duel at the Great American Smallpark last night, as Hunter Greene tossed a 1 hit shutout vs the small bears. He threw 109 pitches, struck out 9 and walked only 1. Colin Rea pitched very well for the cubs, allowing just 1 run on 4 hits and 0 walks. He struck out 11 in his 7 IP. The whole affair was completed in 1 hour and 59 minutes.
Baseball like it used to be.
Above all else, pitching wins. Great pitching teams with mediocre offense have gone all the way several times. Rarely the other way around.
Way back when, Curt Flood made a shoestring catch coming in on a ball, kept running and touched 2B for a game-ending 8,8 double play, against Houston.illinik wrote: ↑19 Sep 2025 14:47 pm What? No mention of the 3-8-6 forceout? First of it's kind!
https://www.mlb.com/gameday/776282/vide ... ong-gd6gj6