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Or will DeWitt need to OK signing/paying some high priced FAs to fill those needs? How about one by a trade and one FA? That seems to make some sense.

No, they will not spend any big money toll the next labor contract is settled.

Who on this current roster could bring back a "power hitter" and a "TOTR starter" via trades?

Answer, of course, is no one.

And even if a "Goldy'NADO" deal was pulled off by C. Bloom, BDWJr is NOT going to okay the move since those type players are in the
$20M - $40+M AAV range.

Shady wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 11:57 am Or will DeWitt need to OK signing/paying some high priced FAs to fill those needs? How about one by a trade and one FA? That seems to make some sense.

How many repetitive, inane threads are you going to do on this topic?

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And on and on and on . . .

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 12:14 pm Who on this current roster could bring back a "power hitter" and a "TOTR starter" via trades?

Answer, of course, is no one.

And even if a "Goldy'NADO" deal was pulled off by C. Bloom, BDWJr is NOT going to okay the move since those type players are in the
$20M - $40+M AAV range.

"Who on this current roster could bring back a "power hitter" and a "TOTR starter" via trades?" My guess, Mason Winn could bring one or the other. Wetherholt has been playing a lot of shortstop in the minors this season. I'm not advocating trading Winn. I am just answering the question with my opinion.

Shady wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 14:07 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 12:14 pm Who on this current roster could bring back a "power hitter" and a "TOTR starter" via trades?

Answer, of course, is no one.

And even if a "Goldy'NADO" deal was pulled off by C. Bloom, BDWJr is NOT going to okay the move since those type players are in the
$20M - $40+M AAV range.

"Who on this current roster could bring back a "power hitter" and a "TOTR starter" via trades?" My guess, Mason Winn could bring one or the other. Wetherholt has been playing a lot of shortstop in the minors this season. I'm not advocating trading Winn. I am just answering the question with my opinion.

No chance.

There isn't a POBO/GM in MLB who would give the Cardinals a "power hitter" or a "FOTR" starter for an all glove, light hitting
(career: .252 .304 .376 .680) SS.

That said, I'd have no issue dealing Winn in a package that brings back a #2 starter w/years of control.

But no way he brings back that TOTR/#1 starter.

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 13:01 pm

Shady wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 11:57 am Or will DeWitt need to OK signing/paying some high priced FAs to fill those needs? How about one by a trade and one FA? That seems to make some sense.

How many repetitive, inane threads are you going to do on this topic?

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viewtopic.php?t=1516206
viewtopic.php?t=1516112
viewtopic.php?t=1515913
viewtopic.php?t=1515579
viewtopic.php?t=1515026
viewtopic.php?t=1514882
viewtopic.php?t=1514852

And on and on and on . . .

Seems like spamming the board is a no no

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 14:33 pm

Shady wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 14:07 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 12:14 pm Who on this current roster could bring back a "power hitter" and a "TOTR starter" via trades?

Answer, of course, is no one.

And even if a "Goldy'NADO" deal was pulled off by C. Bloom, BDWJr is NOT going to okay the move since those type players are in the
$20M - $40+M AAV range.

"Who on this current roster could bring back a "power hitter" and a "TOTR starter" via trades?" My guess, Mason Winn could bring one or the other. Wetherholt has been playing a lot of shortstop in the minors this season. I'm not advocating trading Winn. I am just answering the question with my opinion.

No chance.

There isn't a POBO/GM in MLB who would give the Cardinals a "power hitter" or a "FOTR" starter for an all glove, light hitting
(career: .252 .304 .376 .680) SS.

That said, I'd have no issue dealing Winn in a package that brings back a #2 starter w/years of control.

But no way he brings back that TOTR/#1 starter.

You are underestimating the value of a young, Gold Glove caliber shortstop. For Winn, a crafty GM could get a #2 starting pitcher with some years of contract control or a talented young power hitter from a team that is overstocked at a position/positions, no doubt

no - High Em is no savior

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 14:33 pm

Shady wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 14:07 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 12:14 pm Who on this current roster could bring back a "power hitter" and a "TOTR starter" via trades?

Answer, of course, is no one.

And even if a "Goldy'NADO" deal was pulled off by C. Bloom, BDWJr is NOT going to okay the move since those type players are in the
$20M - $40+M AAV range.

"Who on this current roster could bring back a "power hitter" and a "TOTR starter" via trades?" My guess, Mason Winn could bring one or the other. Wetherholt has been playing a lot of shortstop in the minors this season. I'm not advocating trading Winn. I am just answering the question with my opinion.

No chance.

There isn't a POBO/GM in MLB who would give the Cardinals a "power hitter" or a "FOTR" starter for an all glove, light hitting
(career: .252 .304 .376 .680) SS.

That said, I'd have no issue dealing Winn in a package that brings back a #2 starter w/years of control.

But no way he brings back that TOTR/#1 starter.

"Why do you hate Winn?"

Ecleme

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 13:01 pm

Shady wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 11:57 am Or will DeWitt need to OK signing/paying some high priced FAs to fill those needs? How about one by a trade and one FA? That seems to make some sense.

How many repetitive, inane threads are you going to do on this topic?

viewtopic.php?t=1516252
viewtopic.php?t=1516206
viewtopic.php?t=1516112
viewtopic.php?t=1515913
viewtopic.php?t=1515579
viewtopic.php?t=1515026
viewtopic.php?t=1514882
viewtopic.php?t=1514852

And on and on and on . . .

Will the Cardinals try to get better? -Shady

Shady wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 16:01 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 14:33 pm

Shady wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 14:07 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 12:14 pm Who on this current roster could bring back a "power hitter" and a "TOTR starter" via trades?

Answer, of course, is no one.

And even if a "Goldy'NADO" deal was pulled off by C. Bloom, BDWJr is NOT going to okay the move since those type players are in the
$20M - $40+M AAV range.

"Who on this current roster could bring back a "power hitter" and a "TOTR starter" via trades?" My guess, Mason Winn could bring one or the other. Wetherholt has been playing a lot of shortstop in the minors this season. I'm not advocating trading Winn. I am just answering the question with my opinion.

No chance.

There isn't a POBO/GM in MLB who would give the Cardinals a "power hitter" or a "FOTR" starter for an all glove, light hitting
(career: .252 .304 .376 .680) SS.

That said, I'd have no issue dealing Winn in a package that brings back a #2 starter w/years of control.

But no way he brings back that TOTR/#1 starter.

You are underestimating the value of a young, Gold Glove caliber shortstop. For Winn, a crafty GM could get a #2 starting pitcher with some years of contract control or a talented young power hitter from a team that is overstocked at a position/positions, no doubt

Why don’t you give some specific names. You just said you’re NOT advocating trading Winn. So whom would a “crafty GM” trade who realistically would fetch a “young, cost-controlled” TOTR pitcher OR MOTO power hitter, let alone BOTH?

I think Bloom looks for at least one starting pitcher through trade.

Shady wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 11:57 am Or will DeWitt need to OK signing/paying some high priced FAs to fill those needs? How about one by a trade and one FA? That seems to make some sense.

It has been reported payroll will go down or stay neutral. Therefore neither of those will happen. I just hope the owner understands fans will not come back until we have superstars to watch. His choice. In 2022 the payroll was $178m and according to forbes they had a $46m profit. This season $128m and making a $2m profit. More payroll equals more profit.

Shady wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 16:01 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 14:33 pm

Shady wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 14:07 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 12:14 pm Who on this current roster could bring back a "power hitter" and a "TOTR starter" via trades?

Answer, of course, is no one.

And even if a "Goldy'NADO" deal was pulled off by C. Bloom, BDWJr is NOT going to okay the move since those type players are in the
$20M - $40+M AAV range.

"Who on this current roster could bring back a "power hitter" and a "TOTR starter" via trades?" My guess, Mason Winn could bring one or the other. Wetherholt has been playing a lot of shortstop in the minors this season. I'm not advocating trading Winn. I am just answering the question with my opinion.

No chance.

There isn't a POBO/GM in MLB who would give the Cardinals a "power hitter" or a "FOTR" starter for an all glove, light hitting
(career: .252 .304 .376 .680) SS.

That said, I'd have no issue dealing Winn in a package that brings back a #2 starter w/years of control.

But no way he brings back that TOTR/#1 starter.

You are underestimating the value of a young, Gold Glove caliber shortstop. For Winn, a crafty GM could get a #2 starting pitcher with some years of contract control or a talented young power hitter from a team that is overstocked at a position/positions, no doubt

More than likely, the pitcher you get back would have less years of control than Winn. A major league SS for a major league #2 starter doesn't seem like a very common type of trade. Not in the positon the Cardinals are in. When you get closer to contention you think about trading strengths for weaknesses. At this point, the Cardinals should be developing and allowing the players they have to rise to the top. You could probably trade Wetherholt for an ace. Again, that's more of a buy now move, like the one you suggest.

NYCardsFan wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 17:38 pm

Shady wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 16:01 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 14:33 pm

Shady wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 14:07 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 12:14 pm Who on this current roster could bring back a "power hitter" and a "TOTR starter" via trades?

Answer, of course, is no one.

And even if a "Goldy'NADO" deal was pulled off by C. Bloom, BDWJr is NOT going to okay the move since those type players are in the
$20M - $40+M AAV range.

"Who on this current roster could bring back a "power hitter" and a "TOTR starter" via trades?" My guess, Mason Winn could bring one or the other. Wetherholt has been playing a lot of shortstop in the minors this season. I'm not advocating trading Winn. I am just answering the question with my opinion.

No chance.

There isn't a POBO/GM in MLB who would give the Cardinals a "power hitter" or a "FOTR" starter for an all glove, light hitting
(career: .252 .304 .376 .680) SS.

That said, I'd have no issue dealing Winn in a package that brings back a #2 starter w/years of control.

But no way he brings back that TOTR/#1 starter.

You are underestimating the value of a young, Gold Glove caliber shortstop. For Winn, a crafty GM could get a #2 starting pitcher with some years of contract control or a talented young power hitter from a team that is overstocked at a position/positions, no doubt

Why don’t you give some specific names. You just said you’re NOT advocating trading Winn. So whom would a “crafty GM” trade who realistically would fetch a “young, cost-controlled” TOTR pitcher OR MOTO power hitter, let alone BOTH?

Current payroll at $75m. $100m to spend. 3 FA see below.

1. Eat Areando contract and release him
2. Walker Nootbar and Gorman traded for a SP/BP arms
3. Bichette signed for 3B
4. Tucker for OF
5. Sign a TOR FA SP. several available


Donovan LF
Wetherholt 2B
Tucker LF
Contreras 1B
Hererra DH
Bichette 3B
Winn SS
Scott CF
Crooks C

Bench Pages Burleson Sagesse ?

SP
FA (Valdez Gallen Cease or someone else)
Gray
Trade (Alcantara for Walker or Gorman)
Libertore
McGreevy
Doyle