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Has this guy ever not given up when entering a game? He looks like a pitcher but he doesn't pitch like a pitcher.

CCard wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 08:43 am Has this guy ever not given up when entering a game? He looks like a pitcher but he doesn't pitch like a pitcher.

I honestly dont know what hes still doing here. We dont have to putright dfa him since he has options but its clear he has nothing and doesnt have last years form. If you dont want to add anyone to 40 man, just bring back granillo or someone. Im done watching fernandez this season

CCard wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 08:43 am Has this guy ever not given up when entering a game? He looks like a pitcher but he doesn't pitch like a pitcher.

Fernandez was a good, reliable reliever until Dusty Blake started screwing with his delivery. The only way Fernandez can remain a major league player is to be traded to another team or for the Cardinals to bring in a competent pitching coach (which will probably only happen under a competent manager).

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 11:08 am

CCard wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 08:43 am Has this guy ever not given up when entering a game? He looks like a pitcher but he doesn't pitch like a pitcher.

Fernandez was a good, reliable reliever until Dusty Blake started screwing with his delivery. The only way Fernandez can remain a major league player is to be traded to another team or for the Cardinals to bring in a competent pitching coach (which will probably only happen under a competent manager).

Fernandez was a muddling 24 year old mediocre A and AA pitcher who his previous team thought so little of they exposed him to the rule 5 draft. Last year was the exception to his minor league career. Not the norm.

He had issues well before blake.

Wattage wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 11:57 am

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 11:08 am

CCard wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 08:43 am Has this guy ever not given up when entering a game? He looks like a pitcher but he doesn't pitch like a pitcher.

Fernandez was a good, reliable reliever until Dusty Blake started screwing with his delivery. The only way Fernandez can remain a major league player is to be traded to another team or for the Cardinals to bring in a competent pitching coach (which will probably only happen under a competent manager).

Fernandez was a muddling 24 year old mediocre A and AA pitcher who his previous team thought so little of they exposed him to the rule 5 draft. Last year was the exception to his minor league career. Not the norm.

He had issues well before blake.

I don't agree with that at all. He had a pretty normal rise through the minor leagues, pitched well enough at Memphis to earn promotion, then pitched well for the Cardinals. Again, until Blake started screwing around with what had gotten him to the major leagues.

Sometimes coaches just need to leave things along. I know they want to justify their job

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 14:23 pm

Wattage wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 11:57 am

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 11:08 am

CCard wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 08:43 am Has this guy ever not given up when entering a game? He looks like a pitcher but he doesn't pitch like a pitcher.

Fernandez was a good, reliable reliever until Dusty Blake started screwing with his delivery. The only way Fernandez can remain a major league player is to be traded to another team or for the Cardinals to bring in a competent pitching coach (which will probably only happen under a competent manager).

Fernandez was a muddling 24 year old mediocre A and AA pitcher who his previous team thought so little of they exposed him to the rule 5 draft. Last year was the exception to his minor league career. Not the norm.

He had issues well before blake.

I don't agree with that at all. He had a pretty normal rise through the minor leagues, pitched well enough at Memphis to earn promotion, then pitched well for the Cardinals. Again, until Blake started screwing around with what had gotten him to the major leagues.

Fernandez was brought directly to STL when we claimed him from Boston. No Memphis involved. He didn't earn his shot. We kept him up because we had to (which he did pretty well). He had a lucky, decent season last year and this year has regressed back to what he was - a rule 5 guy.

He's stunk it up all year. I don't understand why they recalled him from Memphis.

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 14:35 pm

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 14:23 pm

Wattage wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 11:57 am

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 11:08 am

CCard wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 08:43 am Has this guy ever not given up when entering a game? He looks like a pitcher but he doesn't pitch like a pitcher.

Fernandez was a good, reliable reliever until Dusty Blake started screwing with his delivery. The only way Fernandez can remain a major league player is to be traded to another team or for the Cardinals to bring in a competent pitching coach (which will probably only happen under a competent manager).

Fernandez was a muddling 24 year old mediocre A and AA pitcher who his previous team thought so little of they exposed him to the rule 5 draft. Last year was the exception to his minor league career. Not the norm.

He had issues well before blake.

I don't agree with that at all. He had a pretty normal rise through the minor leagues, pitched well enough at Memphis to earn promotion, then pitched well for the Cardinals. Again, until Blake started screwing around with what had gotten him to the major leagues.

Fernandez was brought directly to STL when we claimed him from Boston. No Memphis involved. He didn't earn his shot. We kept him up because we had to (which he did pretty well). He had a lucky, decent season last year and this year has regressed back to what he was - a rule 5 guy.

When a guy pitches well he's lucky, then Blake got hold of him to bring out his true suckiness. Got it.

he was a Rule 5 draft pick last year...he had to spend the entire 2024 year with the Cards or risk the return to Boston.

the revisionist history on his roots...that was only 1 year ago...is strange


he couldn't replicate 2024 this season

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edit ~ btw....Fernandez was really awesome last season...for Rule 5 pick, he was terrific. Our BP overall was incredible last season

Since I have boycotted viewing games this season I cannot weigh in beyond his stats.

Had a good campaign stats wise at Memphis. Had a good year last year.

Last year was an outlier. Would hope his MLB frivolities this season are also an outlier at the opposite end of the spectrum.

His WHIP is too (bleep) High. Period. Full Stop. But he has KKK's. He gets more rope. Throw Away Year in any event.

Brummers words concern. When did Dusty start tinkering and does the negative trend begin with those tinkerings or did the tinkerings begin after poor initial performance?

Inquiring Minds would love to know.

Dusty???

I immediately think of Dusty Rhodes or Dusty Springfield.

Dusty Rhodes. As a Big wrestling fan in the late 70's early 80's was a regular at Monthly MSG WWWF Shows..Backlund was Champion for most of it.

At the conclusion of the evenings matches, they would announce the followings months card. For like 3 years, surprise guest was going to be Dusty Rhodes. Never Happened, Never saw him unless watching NWA on TV in Florida while visiting grandparents a couple few times a year.

On a plane going from Tampa back to NYC. Lo and behold a Special passenger was joining us. None other than Dusty Rhodes. Got to meet him.

Gets better. A couple of days before I am reading one of the numerous Wrestling Mags at the time and the cover story is Rhodes losing his Belt after getting jumped in the ring by Terry Funk and having to fight afterwards with a broken leg. Picture of him in a cast. Going to be out of action for months.

He didn't have a cast or any other physical limitation on the plane. The Bell clearly wrung. It's Fake. It really is!!!! Ain't been back since.

But it was great watching Jimmy Snuka off the top of the Steel Cage at MSG. Or Andre tossing 20 plus vertically challenged men out of the ring like peanuts. Lol

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 18:58 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 14:35 pm

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 14:23 pm

Wattage wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 11:57 am

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 11:08 am

CCard wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 08:43 am Has this guy ever not given up when entering a game? He looks like a pitcher but he doesn't pitch like a pitcher.

Fernandez was a good, reliable reliever until Dusty Blake started screwing with his delivery. The only way Fernandez can remain a major league player is to be traded to another team or for the Cardinals to bring in a competent pitching coach (which will probably only happen under a competent manager).

Fernandez was a muddling 24 year old mediocre A and AA pitcher who his previous team thought so little of they exposed him to the rule 5 draft. Last year was the exception to his minor league career. Not the norm.

He had issues well before blake.

I don't agree with that at all. He had a pretty normal rise through the minor leagues, pitched well enough at Memphis to earn promotion, then pitched well for the Cardinals. Again, until Blake started screwing around with what had gotten him to the major leagues.

Fernandez was brought directly to STL when we claimed him from Boston. No Memphis involved. He didn't earn his shot. We kept him up because we had to (which he did pretty well). He had a lucky, decent season last year and this year has regressed back to what he was - a rule 5 guy.

When a guy pitches well he's lucky, then Blake got hold of him to bring out his true suckiness. Got it.

Brummer,
I think your facts are betraying you. 2024 - Fermandez brought straight to STL to pitch. Pitching Coach was Blake. Had a decent season. (Yes, I think it was a fluke.). 2025 - Has sucked bad all year! Again, Blake was his Pitching Coach.

Not really arguing anything with you, just saying he had one decent year in STL as a rule 5 pick up in 2024. I think we got a lucky season out of him. Pens are fickle like that sometimes.

stlbirdlover wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 14:37 pm He's stunk it up all year. I don't understand why they recalled him from Memphis.

Here is why:

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 20:53 pm

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 18:58 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 14:35 pm

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 14:23 pm

Wattage wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 11:57 am

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 11:08 am

CCard wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 08:43 am Has this guy ever not given up when entering a game? He looks like a pitcher but he doesn't pitch like a pitcher.

Fernandez was a good, reliable reliever until Dusty Blake started screwing with his delivery. The only way Fernandez can remain a major league player is to be traded to another team or for the Cardinals to bring in a competent pitching coach (which will probably only happen under a competent manager).

Fernandez was a muddling 24 year old mediocre A and AA pitcher who his previous team thought so little of they exposed him to the rule 5 draft. Last year was the exception to his minor league career. Not the norm.

He had issues well before blake.

I don't agree with that at all. He had a pretty normal rise through the minor leagues, pitched well enough at Memphis to earn promotion, then pitched well for the Cardinals. Again, until Blake started screwing around with what had gotten him to the major leagues.

Fernandez was brought directly to STL when we claimed him from Boston. No Memphis involved. He didn't earn his shot. We kept him up because we had to (which he did pretty well). He had a lucky, decent season last year and this year has regressed back to what he was - a rule 5 guy.

When a guy pitches well he's lucky, then Blake got hold of him to bring out his true suckiness. Got it.

Brummer,
I think your facts are betraying you. 2024 - Fermandez brought straight to STL to pitch. Pitching Coach was Blake. Had a decent season. (Yes, I think it was a fluke.). 2025 - Has sucked bad all year! Again, Blake was his Pitching Coach.

Not really arguing anything with you, just saying he had one decent year in STL as a rule 5 pick up in 2024. I think we got a lucky season out of him. Pens are fickle like that sometimes.

That's a bit too broad. He was having a very effective 2024. About mid-season, the announceers mentioned how Blake was working with him to change his approach and delivery. His performance began to noticably degrade after that. That tells me the pitching coach was screwing around with what was working, to the detriment of the pitcher. I don't think luck had anything to do with it.

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑12 Sep 2025 09:32 am

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 20:53 pm

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 18:58 pm

Cardinals4Life wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 14:35 pm

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 14:23 pm

Wattage wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 11:57 am

BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 11:08 am

CCard wrote: ↑11 Sep 2025 08:43 am Has this guy ever not given up when entering a game? He looks like a pitcher but he doesn't pitch like a pitcher.

Fernandez was a good, reliable reliever until Dusty Blake started screwing with his delivery. The only way Fernandez can remain a major league player is to be traded to another team or for the Cardinals to bring in a competent pitching coach (which will probably only happen under a competent manager).

Fernandez was a muddling 24 year old mediocre A and AA pitcher who his previous team thought so little of they exposed him to the rule 5 draft. Last year was the exception to his minor league career. Not the norm.

He had issues well before blake.

I don't agree with that at all. He had a pretty normal rise through the minor leagues, pitched well enough at Memphis to earn promotion, then pitched well for the Cardinals. Again, until Blake started screwing around with what had gotten him to the major leagues.

Fernandez was brought directly to STL when we claimed him from Boston. No Memphis involved. He didn't earn his shot. We kept him up because we had to (which he did pretty well). He had a lucky, decent season last year and this year has regressed back to what he was - a rule 5 guy.

When a guy pitches well he's lucky, then Blake got hold of him to bring out his true suckiness. Got it.

Brummer,
I think your facts are betraying you. 2024 - Fermandez brought straight to STL to pitch. Pitching Coach was Blake. Had a decent season. (Yes, I think it was a fluke.). 2025 - Has sucked bad all year! Again, Blake was his Pitching Coach.

Not really arguing anything with you, just saying he had one decent year in STL as a rule 5 pick up in 2024. I think we got a lucky season out of him. Pens are fickle like that sometimes.

That's a bit too broad. He was having a very effective 2024. About mid-season, the announceers mentioned how Blake was working with him to change his approach and delivery. His performance began to noticably degrade after that. That tells me the pitching coach was screwing around with what was working, to the detriment of the pitcher. I don't think luck had anything to do with it.

So you think he is actually good?