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More valuable...Winn or VS2?
Posted: 06 Sep 2025 09:28 am
by scoutyjones2
Who is more valuable to the Cards going forward? Either?
Can CT decide objectively?
Who would you build around?
Who would bring more in a trade?
Who adds more offensively?
Are either more than one tool player?
Both play a highly valued defensive position very well
Who has a possible alternate already within the system if one is moved?
Are either worth keeping and building around?
Re: More valuable...Winn or VS2?
Posted: 06 Sep 2025 09:30 am
by ecleme22
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 09:28 am
Who is more valuable to the Cards going forward? Either?
Who would you build around?
Who would bring more in a trade?
Who adds more offensively?
Are either more than one tool player?
Both play a highly valued defensive position very well
Who has a possible alternate already within the system of one is moved?
Are either worth keeping and building around?
Winn, yes.
Scott: it’s a little early.
Re: More valuable...Winn or VS2?
Posted: 06 Sep 2025 09:32 am
by OldRed
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 09:28 am
Who is more valuable to the Cards going forward? Either?
Who would you build around?
Who would bring more in a trade?
Who adds more offensively?
Are either more than one tool player?
Both play a highly valued defensive position very well
Who has a possible alternate already within the system of one is moved?
Are either worth keeping and building around?
One of your dumbest posts. Winn at this time is most valuable. But, they should trade either. Anyone with one half brain should know that.
Re: More valuable...Winn or VS2?
Posted: 06 Sep 2025 09:34 am
by moose-and-squirrel
lolz.. Scott is Billy Hamilton lite
Re: More valuable...Winn or VS2?
Posted: 06 Sep 2025 09:39 am
by scoutyjones2
OldRed wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 09:32 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 09:28 am
Who is more valuable to the Cards going forward? Either?
Who would you build around?
Who would bring more in a trade?
Who adds more offensively?
Are either more than one tool player?
Both play a highly valued defensive position very well
Who has a possible alternate already within the system of one is moved?
Are either worth keeping and building around?
One of your dumbest posts. Winn at this time is most valuable. But, they should trade either. Anyone with one half brain should know that.
WAR says differently. VS2 leads the Cards in WAR. Winn is fourth..
JJ can replace Winn. Maybe you'd get a strong return trading one or the other?
Why is Winn more valuable? Because you say so? Back it up...
Re: More valuable...Winn or VS2?
Posted: 06 Sep 2025 09:42 am
by scoutyjones2
Scrubs just signed him to a minor league contract
Re: More valuable...Winn or VS2?
Posted: 06 Sep 2025 09:50 am
by OldRed
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 09:39 am
OldRed wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 09:32 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 09:28 am
Who is more valuable to the Cards going forward? Either?
Who would you build around?
Who would bring more in a trade?
Who adds more offensively?
Are either more than one tool player?
Both play a highly valued defensive position very well
Who has a possible alternate already within the system of one is moved?
Are either worth keeping and building around?
One of your dumbest posts. Winn at this time is most valuable. But, they should trade either. Anyone with one half brain should know that.
WAR says differently. VS2 leads the Cards in WAR. Winn is fourth..
JJ can replace Winn. Maybe you'd get a strong return trading one or the other?
Why is Winn more valuable? Because you say so? Back it up...
There is no one way to determine WAR. There are hundreds of steps to make this calculation, and dozens of places where reasonable people can disagree on the best way to implement a particular part of the framework. I can't believe you think Scott II is more valuable than Winn.
Re: More valuable...Winn or VS2?
Posted: 06 Sep 2025 09:57 am
by BrummerStealsHome
They're both valuable enough to keep.
Re: More valuable...Winn or VS2?
Posted: 06 Sep 2025 09:59 am
by jcgmoi
If one guy's OBP > SLG, then I'm almost always going with the other guy.
I admit Scott can steal a base and has much the better facial hair.
But neither is untouchable. We're not talking Witt and Trout here.
Re: More valuable...Winn or VS2?
Posted: 06 Sep 2025 10:00 am
by ecleme22
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 09:39 am
OldRed wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 09:32 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 09:28 am
Who is more valuable to the Cards going forward? Either?
Who would you build around?
Who would bring more in a trade?
Who adds more offensively?
Are either more than one tool player?
Both play a highly valued defensive position very well
Who has a possible alternate already within the system of one is moved?
Are either worth keeping and building around?
One of your dumbest posts. Winn at this time is most valuable. But, they should trade either. Anyone with one half brain should know that.
WAR says differently. VS2 leads the Cards in WAR. Winn is fourth..
JJ can replace Winn. Maybe you'd get a strong return trading one or the other?
Why is Winn more valuable? Because you say so? Back it up...
Not sure why anybody needs to be traded now from the pool you mentioned.
Winn may have only a 2.5 war this year, but had a 4.9 last year. Who’s to say MW, who is still very cheap, won’t have a WAR 4+ next year?
JJ, under full control, is about to join an infield where 2b and 3b are more or less open.
Scott is also young and cost-controlled in a thin OF.
Re: More valuable...Winn or VS2?
Posted: 06 Sep 2025 10:25 am
by jbrach
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 09:28 am
Who is more valuable to the Cards going forward? Either?
Can CT decide objectively?
Who would you build around?
Who would bring more in a trade?
Who adds more offensively?
Are either more than one tool player?
Both play a highly valued defensive position very well
Who has a possible alternate already within the system if one is moved?
Are either worth keeping and building around?
is this a serious question...I doubt scott is a starting player for long...winn is a potential all star
Re: More valuable...Winn or VS2?
Posted: 06 Sep 2025 10:30 am
by peterman'srealitytour
You keep posting dumb phukery like this, the real question will be: more valuable to CT…. you or shady?
Re: More valuable...Winn or VS2?
Posted: 06 Sep 2025 10:38 am
by Bully4you
How does VS have a 1.1 offensive WAR with his pitiful hitting stats.
I'd say with the bat he should be below replacement.
That's crazy.
Defensively he's great.
He's Bader light.
Re: More valuable...Winn or VS2?
Posted: 06 Sep 2025 11:12 am
by Jatalk
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 09:28 am
Who is more valuable to the Cards going forward? Either?
Can CT decide objectively?
Who would you build around?
Who would bring more in a trade?
Who adds more offensively?
Are either more than one tool player?
Both play a highly valued defensive position very well
Who has a possible alternate already within the system if one is moved?
Are either worth keeping and building around?
Harder decision than most would think. Most say Winn but both have high value on defense in key positions. I give the value nudge to Winn because in stretches his bat has been better. Also I think the SS position is given a little more importance.
But I would trade Winn if deal right.
Re: More valuable...Winn or VS2?
Posted: 06 Sep 2025 11:16 am
by scoutyjones2
OldRed wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 09:50 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 09:39 am
OldRed wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 09:32 am
scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 09:28 am
Who is more valuable to the Cards going forward? Either?
Who would you build around?
Who would bring more in a trade?
Who adds more offensively?
Are either more than one tool player?
Both play a highly valued defensive position very well
Who has a possible alternate already within the system of one is moved?
Are either worth keeping and building around?
One of your dumbest posts. Winn at this time is most valuable. But, they should trade either. Anyone with one half brain should know that.
WAR says differently. VS2 leads the Cards in WAR. Winn is fourth..
JJ can replace Winn. Maybe you'd get a strong return trading one or the other?
Why is Winn more valuable? Because you say so? Back it up...
There is no one way to determine WAR. There are hundreds of steps to make this calculation, and dozens of places where reasonable people can disagree on the best way to implement a particular part of the framework.
I can't believe you think Scott II is more valuable than Winn.
Where did I say that?
Re: More valuable...Winn or VS2?
Posted: 06 Sep 2025 11:19 am
by scoutyjones2
peterman'srealitytour wrote: ↑06 Sep 2025 10:30 am
You keep posting dumb phukery like this, the real question will be: more valuable to CT…. you or shady?
I am not stunned that you can't see that neither are truly all that valuable...
I see this Cards roster as nothing you keep to build upon.