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Does not look like they will ever hit much over 200. Has their time come to an end here. Dal Maxvill probably could hit like this?

timoevans wrote: ↑04 Sep 2025 13:20 pm Does not look like they will ever hit much over 200. Has their time come to an end here. Dal Maxvill probably could hit like this?

Yet some believe the 1 skill Gorman has (power) makes him untouchable. 1 trick ponies are not everyday players in the MLB. I would move both this off season

Who will be stupid enough to take them?

Just checked the numbers: .222/.305/.430/.734

After 1500 PA's that's probably who Gorman is.
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It's a year too soon to give up on Walker.

Next season when he gets another runway year and is hitting .220 with 14 or 15 homeruns at this time and an OPS under .730 again people will be saying but but the power hes Joc and Kyle!

Walker's time is drawing near.

With over 1,000 PA's in MLB he's regressing both at the plate and in RF.

I'd have no issue moving on from him if C. Bloom thinks it's time to cut the cord this winter or anytime in 2026.

Gorman though is a different story.

He does indeed posses rare raw power, albet he hasn't shown it consistently yet.

I posted this comp in another thread on Gorman:

TGKS Age 22 - 25
1274 PA's
72 HR
163 RBI
174 BB's
379 KO's
.228 .339 .470 .809

Gorman Age 22 - 25
1517 PA's
74 HR
205 RBI
158 BB's
507 KO's
.222 .305 .430 .734

I would NOT give up on Gorman.

He may never be more than an average 3rd baseman, could even be a fulltime DH.

But he's the best power bat in the entire organization that severely lacks home run power.

JMO

rockondlouie wrote: ↑04 Sep 2025 14:13 pm Walker's time is drawing near.

With over 1,000 PA's in MLB he's regressing both at the plate and in RF.

I'd have no issue moving on from him if C. Bloom thinks it's time to cut the cord this winter or anytime in 2026.

Gorman though is a different story.

He does indeed posses rare raw power, albet he hasn't shown it consistently yet.

I posted this comp in another thread on Gorman:

TGKS Age 22 - 25
1274 PA's
72 HR
163 RBI
174 BB's
379 KO's
.228 .339 .470 .809

Gorman Age 22 - 25
1517 PA's
74 HR
205 RBI
158 BB's
507 KO's
.222 .305 .430 .734

I would NOT give up on Gorman.

He may never be more than an average 3rd baseman, could even be a fulltime DH.

But he's the best power bat in the entire organization that severely lacks home run power.

JMO

Two years ago, Gorman had better numbers than Mike Schmidt.

There's just nothing in his present numbers to suggest Gorman is going to become Kyle Schwarber.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑04 Sep 2025 14:13 pm Walker's time is drawing near.

With over 1,000 PA's in MLB he's regressing both at the plate and in RF.

I'd have no issue moving on from him if C. Bloom thinks it's time to cut the cord this winter or anytime in 2026.

Gorman though is a different story.

He does indeed posses rare raw power, albet he hasn't shown it consistently yet.

I posted this comp in another thread on Gorman:

TGKS Age 22 - 25
1274 PA's
72 HR
163 RBI
174 BB's
379 KO's
.228 .339 .470 .809

Gorman Age 22 - 25
1517 PA's
74 HR
205 RBI
158 BB's
507 KO's
.222 .305 .430 .734

I would NOT give up on Gorman.

He may never be more than an average 3rd baseman, could even be a fulltime DH.

But he's the best power bat in the entire organization that severely lacks home run power.

JMO

I agree with this post. In today's game, hitting around the .230 mark is pretty much a common water mark. Many are there with far less power potential than Gorman. They cant just give him away for suspect A, or AA prospects. He's a good bat to have in the dugout, or lineup. Just need some better talent around him.

Gorman - GONE. In critical game situation do you want the opposition to hit him a grounder? Game critical situation do you want him AB with the tying/winning run on 3B and 2 outs? The goal for MLB games is to win not HOPE you are going to win.

Walker - Bloom needs to clean house. Set up Walker with McGuire or Holiday during off season and have them report back to Bloom their impressions. 2026 is "come to Jesus" season.

Brown verbally indicated that Walker was not a good student of game. Brown the same batting coach who's team in the last week of August SO 15 times vs Reds, 12 times vs Reds, and 13 times vs Pirates. Their dislike to make contact with runners on 2 or 3rd and 1 out is infamous. SO want to publicly describe Walkers's issue how about Gorman, Noots, Contreras, et al with runners on base.

timoevans wrote: ↑04 Sep 2025 13:53 pm Who will be stupid enough to take them?

Plenty of teams would love to take a chance on cost controlled players with Gorman's power and Walker's bat and running speed.

rockondlouie wrote: ↑04 Sep 2025 14:13 pm Walker's time is drawing near.

With over 1,000 PA's in MLB he's regressing both at the plate and in RF.

I'd have no issue moving on from him if C. Bloom thinks it's time to cut the cord this winter or anytime in 2026.

Gorman though is a different story.

He does indeed posses rare raw power, albet he hasn't shown it consistently yet.

I posted this comp in another thread on Gorman:

TGKS Age 22 - 25
1274 PA's
72 HR
163 RBI
174 BB's
379 KO's
.228 .339 .470 .809

Gorman Age 22 - 25
1517 PA's
74 HR
205 RBI
158 BB's
507 KO's
.222 .305 .430 .734

I would NOT give up on Gorman.

He may never be more than an average 3rd baseman, could even be a fulltime DH.

But he's the best power bat in the entire organization that severely lacks home run power.

JMO

That is pretty much spot on. It also emphasizes how important it is for the Cards to be able to trade Arenado this off season in order to make room for both Gorman and Wetherholdt into the line-up and to play the infield. At this point, Gorman is a much better hitter than Arenado which only goes to show how far Arenado has fallen...

I have mixed emotions on Walker. Nootbar just due to the time frame of the Cardinals next window, I think they should trade. He has a 20 trade value per Baseball trade value. But we will see.

Red Bird Classic wrote: ↑04 Sep 2025 13:57 pm Just checked the numbers: .222/.305/.430/.734

After 1500 PA's that's probably who Gorman is.
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It's a year too soon to give up on Walker.

Gorman does enough occasionally to keep interest high. Walker doesn’t

rightthinker4 wrote: ↑04 Sep 2025 20:54 pm

Red Bird Classic wrote: ↑04 Sep 2025 13:57 pm Just checked the numbers: .222/.305/.430/.734

After 1500 PA's that's probably who Gorman is.
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It's a year too soon to give up on Walker.

Gorman does enough occasionally to keep interest high. Walker doesn’t

Not suggesting the team get rid of Gorman. I'm only saying he's no longer an experiment. We have a pretty good idea what to expect there.

Generally, it takes about 1500 plate appearances to get a good read on a hitter. Walker is at 974. He's got about one more season worth of at bats before we can say the same about him.

190 runs of below average-ness for 2021-2025 listed below. There's a whole lot of truly awful defense on this list.

2021-2025 Players runs below average (fangraphs RAR - replacement) leaders
-37.1 Jordan Walker
-32.0 Andrew Knizner
-31.8 Alec Burleson
-17.5 Matt Carpenter
-15.3 Juan Yepez
-14.6 Nolan Gorman
-11.9 Dylan Carlson
-10.9 Justin Williams
-10.5 Luken Baker
-8.9 Jose Fermin

Burleson's bat signficantly improved in 2025 but due his glove that managed to elevate him to "average" in by far his best season.

Walker/Burleson/Gorman/Fermin alone are responsible for 92 runs below average.

I don't want to see any of them in STL in 2026.
Walker to Memphis for 2026 or traded. Has little trade value now.
Gorman traded. Still has a little trade value. Wetherholt crowds him off the roster; he missed his chance.
Burleson traded. 2nd chance to trade high.
Fermin released. Don't know why he hits in AAA but not MLB but he can't play defense so goodbye.

40-man roster crunch means maybe we trade these guys for lower level minor leaguers... or for a starting pitching rental.

ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑04 Sep 2025 16:59 pm

rockondlouie wrote: ↑04 Sep 2025 14:13 pm Walker's time is drawing near.

With over 1,000 PA's in MLB he's regressing both at the plate and in RF.

I'd have no issue moving on from him if C. Bloom thinks it's time to cut the cord this winter or anytime in 2026.

Gorman though is a different story.

He does indeed posses rare raw power, albet he hasn't shown it consistently yet.

I posted this comp in another thread on Gorman:

TGKS Age 22 - 25
1274 PA's
72 HR
163 RBI
174 BB's
379 KO's
.228 .339 .470 .809

Gorman Age 22 - 25
1517 PA's
74 HR
205 RBI
158 BB's
507 KO's
.222 .305 .430 .734

I would NOT give up on Gorman.

He may never be more than an average 3rd baseman, could even be a fulltime DH.

But he's the best power bat in the entire organization that severely lacks home run power.

JMO

That is pretty much spot on. It also emphasizes how important it is for the Cards to be able to trade Arenado this off season in order to make room for both Gorman and Wetherholdt into the line-up and to play the infield. At this point, Gorman is a much better hitter than Arenado which only goes to show how far Arenado has fallen...

I have mixed emotions on Walker. Nootbar just due to the time frame of the Cardinals next window, I think they should trade. He has a 20 trade value per Baseball trade value. But we will see.

Is he, though?
I think both are pretty below average-poor.

We need to improve on what we have now. We need bigger bats and better defense than Gorman and Walker will ever be.I hope Bloom moves these guys and gets a new group of young players in and starts developing them the right way.