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They know there is going to be a new staff next year.They obviously have started not to be scared what they say and who they make mad.

Unfortunately it means they strongly believe they are coming back next year

hmoss859 wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 21:35 pm Unfortunately it means they strongly believe they are coming back next year

Most likely.

Kentucky kid wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 21:23 pm They know there is going to be a new staff next year.They obviously have started not to be scared what they say and who they make mad.

Context and examples please

Great idea. Bring back the same staff and roster. And raise the ticket prices! Ol Billy boy & his wig-wearing weirdo son must have a bet to see how low attendance will drop.

Kentucky kid wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 21:23 pm They know there is going to be a new staff next year.They obviously have started not to be scared what they say and who they make mad.

I listened to the Gashouse Gang show today with Tom Ackerman, Chris Rongey, and Bernie Miklasz with guests Oli Marmol and Brant Brown. Brownie did not pull any punches when talking about the kids on this team and how some don’t really study or learn. He called out Walker specifically. In answer to your question, I think the coaches are coaching. Some of the kids are not listening and learning.

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 22:26 pm

Kentucky kid wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 21:23 pm They know there is going to be a new staff next year.They obviously have started not to be scared what they say and who they make mad.

I listened to the Gashouse Gang show today with Tom Ackerman, Chris Rongey, and Bernie Miklasz with guests Oli Marmol and Brant Brown. Brownie did not pull any punches when talking about the kids on this team and how some don’t really study or learn. He called out Walker specifically. In answer to your question, I think the coaches are coaching. Some of the kids are not listening and learning.

Pretty open and honest discussion. It also seems like the Cards are preparing everyone for moving on from Walker even if the return is very little. I don't think this discussion happened randomly. I am guessing Walker and Nootbar are traded for certain this offseason. If Arenado is traded, Gorman stays. If Arenado is not traded, one of Gorman or Saggese is traded. Gorman has looked better at 3B the last 2 weeks. So I am rooting for Gorman to stay. They are going to thin the herd and the coaches discussions appear to be a way to broadcast their intentions in advance.

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 22:21 pm Great idea. Bring back the same staff and roster. And raise the ticket prices! Ol Billy boy & his wig-wearing weirdo son must have a bet to see how low attendance will drop.

+1...last nights 'crowd' was an embarrassment and a fitting end to Mo-ran's legacy.

Kentucky kid wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 21:23 pm They know there is going to be a new staff next year.They obviously have started not to be scared what they say and who they make mad.

What was said that they should be scared of?

ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑04 Sep 2025 01:20 am

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 22:26 pm

Kentucky kid wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 21:23 pm They know there is going to be a new staff next year.They obviously have started not to be scared what they say and who they make mad.

I listened to the Gashouse Gang show today with Tom Ackerman, Chris Rongey, and Bernie Miklasz with guests Oli Marmol and Brant Brown. Brownie did not pull any punches when talking about the kids on this team and how some don’t really study or learn. He called out Walker specifically. In answer to your question, I think the coaches are coaching. Some of the kids are not listening and learning.

Pretty open and honest discussion. It also seems like the Cards are preparing everyone for moving on from Walker even if the return is very little. I don't think this discussion happened randomly. I am guessing Walker and Nootbar are traded for certain this offseason. If Arenado is traded, Gorman stays. If Arenado is not traded, one of Gorman or Saggese is traded. Gorman has looked better at 3B the last 2 weeks. So I am rooting for Gorman to stay. They are going to thin the herd and the coaches discussions appear to be a way to broadcast their intentions in advance.

Wow...how you came to that conclusion is laughable...

I kinda think it's the opposite, they're scared of not coming back so they're saying wild [shirt] to try and keep their jobs. Very convenient for them to blame Walker for his failure, because the alternative is that it's their fault.

Brown especially is in a pretty uncomfortable position because after the first couple months of the season these hitters have sucked, and they're routinely taking fastballs right down the middle for third strike. If he can't convince us it's all their faults then he suddenly starts to look pretty bad at his job.

3dender wrote: ↑04 Sep 2025 07:18 am I kinda think it's the opposite, they're scared of not coming back so they're saying wild [shirt] to try and keep their jobs. Very convenient for them to blame Walker for his failure, because the alternative is that it's their fault.

Brown especially is in a pretty uncomfortable position because after the first couple months of the season these hitters have sucked, and they're routinely taking fastballs right down the middle for third strike. If he can't convince us it's all their faults then he suddenly starts to look pretty bad at his job.

What wild [shirt] did they say?

Hard to say. Most coaches won’t lash out regardless of situation knowing that a future payday depends on tight lips.

I’d say they think there time is up, and they may be finally blowing their tops.

ICCFIM2 wrote: ↑04 Sep 2025 01:20 am

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 22:26 pm

Kentucky kid wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 21:23 pm They know there is going to be a new staff next year.They obviously have started not to be scared what they say and who they make mad.

I listened to the Gashouse Gang show today with Tom Ackerman, Chris Rongey, and Bernie Miklasz with guests Oli Marmol and Brant Brown. Brownie did not pull any punches when talking about the kids on this team and how some don’t really study or learn. He called out Walker specifically. In answer to your question, I think the coaches are coaching. Some of the kids are not listening and learning.

Pretty open and honest discussion. It also seems like the Cards are preparing everyone for moving on from Walker even if the return is very little. I don't think this discussion happened randomly. I am guessing Walker and Nootbar are traded for certain this offseason. If Arenado is traded, Gorman stays. If Arenado is not traded, one of Gorman or Saggese is traded. Gorman has looked better at 3B the last 2 weeks. So I am rooting for Gorman to stay. They are going to thin the herd and the coaches discussions appear to be a way to broadcast their intentions in advance.

Brown’s comments illustrated for me how closely the coach/player relationship is to the teacher/student relationship. I also thought of the saying that “when the student is ready, the teacher appears”. I also got reminded how some of these young players are emotional children. They have thrived so far in baseball by relying solely on physical ability. Many haven’t had to listen and learn to succeed at the next level. More than ever, I was reminded that hitting a round ball with a round bat is hard.

JuanAgosto wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 22:21 pm Great idea. Bring back the same staff and roster. And raise the ticket prices! Ol Billy boy & his wig-wearing weirdo son must have a bet to see how low attendance will drop.

But wait a minute, if the fans don't show up Bill is going to punish them by not spending the money on the team!!

Is this what people think they should be "scared" of saying?

“We have not seen the consistency that we would have hoped for by now,” Cardinals manager Oliver Marmol said. “Our hope is that changes. He’s still young, and this could flip at any moment. We’ve seen other players where that’s the case -- on this team or another -- where they are an offseason away. But there’s real work to be done and there’s a real level of dedication and consistency that needs to come with that.

“I need to see Jordan have a sense of urgency for the things that need to take place to give him consistent results. That goes with his moves toward the ball, his preparation in the cage and his approach in games.”

Here is JW:

Walker has been open about how his struggles have worn on him, but he’s tried to find joy in friendships with teammates and his short bursts of success.

“You have to [stay positive] because once you're negative about yourself, that's when it all goes down the toilet,” Walker said. “It's obviously hard to stay positive, but I’m doing everything I can to do that and find things that make me comfortable and make me happy. Hanging out with my teammates, watching them hit, it's pretty sick. So, pretty much it’s all those things combined.”