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Your STL Cardinals
Posted: 03 Sep 2025 07:39 am
by earp
It looks like the St. Louis Cardinals are on track to turn a profit in 2025, though it may not be a blockbuster year financially.
Key Financial Highlights:
Revenue: $395 million
EBITDA (Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation, and Amortization): $34 million
Payroll: Around $135.9 million
Franchise Valuation: $2.55 billion
That EBITDA figure—essentially their operating profit—is a solid indicator that they’re in the black. It’s not massive compared to some of the league’s top earners, but it’s respectable, especially considering they’re in a bit of a rebuild phase.
They’re also keeping debt low (just 7% of franchise value), which helps maintain financial flexibility. So while they may not be splurging on superstar contracts this season, they’re managing their books well.
Re: Your STL Cardinals
Posted: 03 Sep 2025 07:45 am
by Cranny
earp wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 07:39 am
It looks like the St. Louis Cardinals are on track to turn a profit in 2025, though it may not be a blockbuster year financially.
Key Financial Highlights:
Revenue: $395 million
EBITDA (Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation, and Amortization): $34 million
Payroll: Around $135.9 million
Franchise Valuation: $2.55 billion
That EBITDA figure—essentially their operating profit—is a solid indicator that they’re in the black. It’s not massive compared to some of the league’s top earners, but it’s respectable, especially considering they’re in a bit of a rebuild phase.
They’re also keeping debt low (just 7% of franchise value), which helps maintain financial flexibility. So while they may not be splurging on superstar contracts this season, they’re managing their books well.
What’s the debt service on $178.5 million?
Re: Your STL Cardinals
Posted: 03 Sep 2025 07:48 am
by Bomber1
earp wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 07:39 am
It looks like the St. Louis Cardinals are on track to turn a profit in 2025, though it may not be a blockbuster year financially.
Key Financial Highlights:
Revenue: $395 million
EBITDA (Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation, and Amortization): $34 million
Payroll: Around $135.9 million
Franchise Valuation: $2.55 billion
That EBITDA figure—essentially their operating profit—is a solid indicator that they’re in the black. It’s not massive compared to some of the league’s top earners, but it’s respectable, especially considering they’re in a bit of a rebuild phase.
They’re also keeping debt low (just 7% of franchise value), which helps maintain financial flexibility. So while they may not be splurging on superstar contracts this season, they’re managing their books well.
Yay
Re: Your STL Cardinals
Posted: 03 Sep 2025 08:08 am
by jcgmoi
they’re managing their books well.
When did you look at their books?
Re: Your STL Cardinals
Posted: 03 Sep 2025 08:34 am
by WLTFE
Fans are finally telling DeTwit and Mo-ran to go [fork] themselves...and we were told fans were staying away due to the hot weather!
Re: Your STL Cardinals
Posted: 03 Sep 2025 12:36 pm
by Jatalk
earp wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 07:39 am
It looks like the St. Louis Cardinals are on track to turn a profit in 2025, though it may not be a blockbuster year financially.
Key Financial Highlights:
Revenue: $395 million
EBITDA (Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation, and Amortization): $34 million
Payroll: Around $135.9 million
Franchise Valuation: $2.55 billion
That EBITDA figure—essentially their operating profit—is a solid indicator that they’re in the black. It’s not massive compared to some of the league’s top earners, but it’s respectable, especially considering they’re in a bit of a rebuild phase.
They’re also keeping debt low (just 7% of franchise value), which helps maintain financial flexibility. So while they may not be splurging on superstar contracts this season, they’re managing their books well.
Not sure of source but how does it compare to 2024? Revenue? EBITDA?
Re: Your STL Cardinals
Posted: 03 Sep 2025 12:42 pm
by Jatalk
Cranny wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 07:45 am
earp wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 07:39 am
It looks like the St. Louis Cardinals are on track to turn a profit in 2025, though it may not be a blockbuster year financially.
Key Financial Highlights:
Revenue: $395 million
EBITDA (Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation, and Amortization): $34 million
Payroll: Around $135.9 million
Franchise Valuation: $2.55 billion
That EBITDA figure—essentially their operating profit—is a solid indicator that they’re in the black. It’s not massive compared to some of the league’s top earners, but it’s respectable, especially considering they’re in a bit of a rebuild phase.
They’re also keeping debt low (just 7% of franchise value), which helps maintain financial flexibility. So while they may not be splurging on superstar contracts this season, they’re managing their books well.
What’s the debt service on $178.5 million?
Impossible to know without rare and terms but that debt number is over 5x EBITDA. That is a little high.
Re: Your STL Cardinals
Posted: 03 Sep 2025 13:05 pm
by Basil Shabazz
earp wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 07:39 am
It looks like the St. Louis Cardinals are on track to turn a profit in 2025, though it may not be a blockbuster year financially.
Key Financial Highlights:
Revenue: $395 million
EBITDA (Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation, and Amortization): $34 million
Payroll: Around $135.9 million
Franchise Valuation: $2.55 billion
That EBITDA figure—essentially their operating profit—is a solid indicator that they’re in the black. It’s not massive compared to some of the league’s top earners, but it’s respectable, especially considering they’re in a bit of a rebuild phase.
They’re also keeping debt low (just 7% of franchise value), which helps maintain financial flexibility. So while they may not be splurging on superstar contracts this season, they’re managing their books well.
Where did you get your information?
Re: Your STL Cardinals
Posted: 03 Sep 2025 13:10 pm
by Rojo Johnson
earp wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 07:39 am
It looks like the St. Louis Cardinals are on track to turn a profit in 2025, though it may not be a blockbuster year financially.
Key Financial Highlights:
Revenue: $395 million
EBITDA (Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation, and Amortization): $34 million
Payroll: Around $135.9 million
Franchise Valuation: $2.55 billion
That EBITDA figure—essentially their operating profit—is a solid indicator that they’re in the black. It’s not massive compared to some of the league’s top earners, but it’s respectable, especially considering they’re in a bit of a rebuild phase.
They’re also keeping debt low (just 7% of franchise value), which helps maintain financial flexibility. So while they may not be splurging on superstar contracts this season, they’re managing their books well.
If you’ve seen their books (which you must’ve done to know that they are managing them well), then I have 3 questions. One, how much is Cranny getting paid to lick all those FO boots? Two, does he get paid by the boot or just a flat fee? Three, did he get a raise after Len passed on to the great spring training grounds in the sky?
Re: Your STL Cardinals
Posted: 03 Sep 2025 15:14 pm
by butsir01
earp wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 07:39 am
It looks like the St. Louis Cardinals are on track to turn a profit in 2025, though it may not be a blockbuster year financially.
Key Financial Highlights:
Revenue: $395 million
EBITDA (Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation, and Amortization): $34 million
Payroll: Around $135.9 million
Franchise Valuation: $2.55 billion
That EBITDA figure—essentially their operating profit—is a solid indicator that they’re in the black. It’s not massive compared to some of the league’s top earners, but it’s respectable, especially considering they’re in a bit of a rebuild phase.
They’re also keeping debt low (just 7% of franchise value), which helps maintain financial flexibility. So while they may not be splurging on superstar contracts this season, they’re managing their books well.
$34M/$2.55B = 1.33%, about one-third of the return on Treasuries, with quite a bit more risk.
That has to mean at least two things. There must be steady and rather relentless tax-deferred appreciation of the ball club, such that this increase is perceived by the owners as very low-risk. Second, a subpar return such as this year’s must be an aberration.
Otherwise, they should just buy a mixture of munis, Treasuries and some stocks.
Re: Your STL Cardinals
Posted: 03 Sep 2025 15:42 pm
by scoutyjones2
WLTFE wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 08:34 am
Fans are finally telling DeTwit and Mo-ran to go [fork] themselves...and we were told fans were staying away due to the hot weather!
Where did you hear that? On CT?
Re: Your STL Cardinals
Posted: 03 Sep 2025 16:01 pm
by Bob Kunush
Jatalk wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 12:42 pm
Cranny wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 07:45 am
earp wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 07:39 am
It looks like the St. Louis Cardinals are on track to turn a profit in 2025, though it may not be a blockbuster year financially.
Key Financial Highlights:
Revenue: $395 million
EBITDA (Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation, and Amortization): $34 million
Payroll: Around $135.9 million
Franchise Valuation: $2.55 billion
That EBITDA figure—essentially their operating profit—is a solid indicator that they’re in the black. It’s not massive compared to some of the league’s top earners, but it’s respectable, especially considering they’re in a bit of a rebuild phase.
They’re also keeping debt low (just 7% of franchise value), which helps maintain financial flexibility. So while they may not be splurging on superstar contracts this season, they’re managing their books well.
What’s the debt service on $178.5 million?
Impossible to know without rare and terms but that debt number is over 5x EBITDA. That is a little high.
Yes that is a fairly high debt service ratio. You conpare debt service to income not equity. Equity only pays the bills if you borrow from it or sell it. Having a low debt to asset ration is good but it doesn't pay the bills. That is only done with income. Their income is OK but nothing great and will be reduced again this year I assume.
The value of the franchise is high and if they continue to drop costs such as payroll and never bring it up you can expect them to sell in rhe coming years. If this is a reset and they spend more later it was just that, a reset.
Re: Your STL Cardinals
Posted: 03 Sep 2025 16:04 pm
by desertrat23
Cranny wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 07:45 am
earp wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 07:39 am
It looks like the St. Louis Cardinals are on track to turn a profit in 2025, though it may not be a blockbuster year financially.
Key Financial Highlights:
Revenue: $395 million
EBITDA (Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation, and Amortization): $34 million
Payroll: Around $135.9 million
Franchise Valuation: $2.55 billion
That EBITDA figure—essentially their operating profit—is a solid indicator that they’re in the black. It’s not massive compared to some of the league’s top earners, but it’s respectable, especially considering they’re in a bit of a rebuild phase.
They’re also keeping debt low (just 7% of franchise value), which helps maintain financial flexibility. So while they may not be splurging on superstar contracts this season, they’re managing their books well.
What’s the debt service on $178.5 million?
They've got to be close to paying off the ballpark after 20 years, right?
Re: Your STL Cardinals
Posted: 03 Sep 2025 16:12 pm
by dugoutrex
butsir01 wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 15:14 pm
earp wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 07:39 am
It looks like the St. Louis Cardinals are on track to turn a profit in 2025, though it may not be a blockbuster year financially.
Key Financial Highlights:
Revenue: $395 million
EBITDA (Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation, and Amortization): $34 million
Payroll: Around $135.9 million
Franchise Valuation: $2.55 billion
That EBITDA figure—essentially their operating profit—is a solid indicator that they’re in the black. It’s not massive compared to some of the league’s top earners, but it’s respectable, especially considering they’re in a bit of a rebuild phase.
They’re also keeping debt low (just 7% of franchise value), which helps maintain financial flexibility. So while they may not be splurging on superstar contracts this season, they’re managing their books well.
$34M/$2.55B = 1.33%, about one-third of the return on Treasuries, with quite a bit more risk.
That has to mean at least two things. There must be steady and rather relentless tax-deferred appreciation of the ball club, such that this increase is perceived by the owners as very low-risk. Second, a subpar return such as this year’s must be an aberration.
Otherwise, they should just buy a mixture of munis, Treasuries and some stocks.
unless they want to ... wait for it ... OWN A TEAM!
Re: Your STL Cardinals
Posted: 03 Sep 2025 17:28 pm
by Absolut
Cranny wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 07:45 am
earp wrote: ↑03 Sep 2025 07:39 am
It looks like the St. Louis Cardinals are on track to turn a profit in 2025, though it may not be a blockbuster year financially.
Key Financial Highlights:
Revenue: $395 million
EBITDA (Earnings Before Interest, Taxes, Depreciation, and Amortization): $34 million
Payroll: Around $135.9 million
Franchise Valuation: $2.55 billion
That EBITDA figure—essentially their operating profit—is a solid indicator that they’re in the black. It’s not massive compared to some of the league’s top earners, but it’s respectable, especially considering they’re in a bit of a rebuild phase.
They’re also keeping debt low (just 7% of franchise value), which helps maintain financial flexibility. So while they may not be splurging on superstar contracts this season, they’re managing their books well.
What’s the debt service on $178.5 million?
Don’t you dare say the cards are profitable! Mo is my baby daddy. Grrrr
Re: Your STL Cardinals
Posted: 04 Sep 2025 08:09 am
by Cranny
Some people think operating income is bottom line after tax profit. Profit that can be used to buy FA players. It’s not.
Key Financial Highlights: