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Gorman Must Stay

Posted: 02 Sep 2025 14:30 pm
by TheSolution
>There isn’t another power+ bat here
>He’s cheap
>He’s 25
>He was screwed as a premier power bat prospect asked to learn 2b at the MLB level which required a huge time investment taking away from hitting focus
>The game tolerates low average, high power hitters more than ever rn
>He will hit 30+ HR’s if he’s out there everyday, you take that even if it comes with a .220 batting average. You take that because it helps your team now and it creates trade value
>There’s obvious signs of optimism lately as opposed to it being a dreadfully pessimistic situation

I hope or trust most people agree and I feel foolish for posting something so obvious.

Have a great day, all.

Re: Gorman Must Stay

Posted: 02 Sep 2025 14:42 pm
by MIDMOBIRDTWO
Agree to a degree, but don't start that chatter with Walker. He needs to train a full year at Memphis until he can be trusted to hit MLB pitching.

Re: Gorman Must Stay

Posted: 02 Sep 2025 14:42 pm
by Carp4Cy
He’s still not good at 3b. Serviceable at 2B but we have too many. I don’t see how he ever turns into a 5-6 WAR player.

Re: Gorman Must Stay

Posted: 02 Sep 2025 14:46 pm
by rockondlouie
Unlike J. Walker who's time may be limited under C. Bloom, I'd bet Gorman is given a much longer rope given that fact that's he's the only true power bat in the organization, his age and makes no big money.

But he's also more of a DH than he is a 3rd baseman.

Perhaps if WillyC waives his NTC, then he could move to 1st base.

Walker's on a short leash in 2026, I think Gorman has a longer runway.

JMO

Re: Gorman Must Stay

Posted: 02 Sep 2025 14:52 pm
by 3dender
We've not seen too much evidence of his power this year. He's boosted his walk rate which is encouraging, but he has yet to show 30HR power.

Re: Gorman Must Stay

Posted: 02 Sep 2025 15:08 pm
by Youboughtit
TheSolution wrote: 02 Sep 2025 14:30 pm >There isn’t another power+ bat here
>He’s cheap
>He’s 25
>He was screwed as a premier power bat prospect asked to learn 2b at the MLB level which required a huge time investment taking away from hitting focus
>The game tolerates low average, high power hitters more than ever rn
>He will hit 30+ HR’s if he’s out there everyday, you take that even if it comes with a .220 batting average. You take that because it helps your team now and it creates trade value
>There’s obvious signs of optimism lately as opposed to it being a dreadfully pessimistic situation

I hope or trust most people agree and I feel foolish for posting something so obvious.

Have a great day, all.
Ok then Hererra needs to go so a majority of his ABs are at DH. Then the need for a RH OF becomes a must have not just a preference. Gorman shouldn’t own a glove

Re: Gorman Must Stay

Posted: 02 Sep 2025 15:10 pm
by Talkin' Baseball
Gorman might have a good year or two along the way, but he is going to be mostly frustrating. He occasionally hits for power, but he is not a good hitter. Ultimately, even if I could get to a place where I think as you do about his skills, his back issues at a young age concern me. If it were up to me, and I could get value for him, I would be willing to trade him.

Re: Gorman Must Stay

Posted: 02 Sep 2025 15:13 pm
by Absolut
Poor Norman. Only 1400 at bats to show what he can(t) do

Re: Gorman Must Stay

Posted: 02 Sep 2025 15:17 pm
by blackinkbiz
Talkin' Baseball wrote: 02 Sep 2025 15:10 pm Gorman might have a good year or two along the way, but he is going to be mostly frustrating. He occasionally hits for power, but he is not a good hitter. Ultimately, even if I could get to a place where I think as you do about his skills, his back issues at a young age concern me. If it were up to me, and I could get value for him, I would be willing to trade him.
I don't know if the strikeouts have become contagious but their approach as a team has been maddening since July. So I'd like to hope with his increased walk rate he's getting better, but he's definitely in one of his wretched cold streaks ATM.

Because, yeah, these cold streaks are difficult to stomach. Just K after K after K after K after K after K after...

Re: Gorman Must Stay

Posted: 02 Sep 2025 15:25 pm
by dugoutrex
TheSolution wrote: 02 Sep 2025 14:30 pm >There isn’t another power+ bat here
>He’s cheap
>He’s 25
>He was screwed as a premier power bat prospect asked to learn 2b at the MLB level which required a huge time investment taking away from hitting focus
>The game tolerates low average, high power hitters more than ever rn
>He will hit 30+ HR’s if he’s out there everyday, you take that even if it comes with a .220 batting average. You take that because it helps your team now and it creates trade value
>There’s obvious signs of optimism lately as opposed to it being a dreadfully pessimistic situation

I hope or trust most people agree and I feel foolish for posting something so obvious.

Have a great day, all.
lol - by the looks of his 2nd base defense I'd say he didn't spend nearly enough time!
maybe unicorns just aren't good at baseball ::crazya::

Re: Gorman Must Stay

Posted: 02 Sep 2025 15:34 pm
by TheSolution
rockondlouie wrote: 02 Sep 2025 14:46 pm Unlike J. Walker who's time may be limited under C. Bloom, I'd bet Gorman is given a much longer rope given that fact that's he's the only true power bat in the organization, his age and makes no big money.

But he's also more of a DH than he is a 3rd baseman.

Perhaps if WillyC waives his NTC, then he could move to 1st base.

Walker's on a short leash in 2026, I think Gorman has a longer runway.

JMO
Agree, he’s more of a DH which adds to the problem of WC.

It’s a shame his development was so disrupted at 3b, we’ll never know. Not saying he would have become serviceable there, I’m saying it’s a shame he’s spent years away from there now and it’s impossible to know how that would’ve turned out.

Re: Gorman Must Stay

Posted: 02 Sep 2025 15:36 pm
by TheSolution
3dender wrote: 02 Sep 2025 14:52 pm We've not seen too much evidence of his power this year. He's boosted his walk rate which is encouraging, but he has yet to show 30HR power.
You understand that even his current stats, which are within a sample size of great amounts of disruption to regular playing time, projected at a full season of at-bats would put him at about that 30HR total.

Re: Gorman Must Stay

Posted: 02 Sep 2025 15:36 pm
by blackinkbiz
TheSolution wrote: 02 Sep 2025 15:34 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 02 Sep 2025 14:46 pm Unlike J. Walker who's time may be limited under C. Bloom, I'd bet Gorman is given a much longer rope given that fact that's he's the only true power bat in the organization, his age and makes no big money.

But he's also more of a DH than he is a 3rd baseman.

Perhaps if WillyC waives his NTC, then he could move to 1st base.

Walker's on a short leash in 2026, I think Gorman has a longer runway.

JMO
Agree, he’s more of a DH which adds to the problem of WC.

It’s a shame his development was so disrupted at 3b, we’ll never know. Not saying he would have become serviceable there, I’m saying it’s a shame he’s spent years away from there now and it’s impossible to know how that would’ve turned out.
He's actually looked a lot better at 3rd this past week. One of the few bright spots. Still not sure he has the arm strength to be servicable, though.

And yeah, 600ABs is an average for a full time player. His current trajectory puts him right around 30HR if Oli hadn't played "Where's Gorman?" the first 2 months of the season.

Re: Gorman Must Stay

Posted: 02 Sep 2025 15:38 pm
by Youboughtit
TheSolution wrote: 02 Sep 2025 15:34 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 02 Sep 2025 14:46 pm Unlike J. Walker who's time may be limited under C. Bloom, I'd bet Gorman is given a much longer rope given that fact that's he's the only true power bat in the organization, his age and makes no big money.

But he's also more of a DH than he is a 3rd baseman.

Perhaps if WillyC waives his NTC, then he could move to 1st base.

Walker's on a short leash in 2026, I think Gorman has a longer runway.

JMO
Agree, he’s more of a DH which adds to the problem of WC.

It’s a shame his development was so disrupted at 3b, we’ll never know. Not saying he would have become serviceable there, I’m saying it’s a shame he’s spent years away from there now and it’s impossible to know how that would’ve turned out.
Either way he’s a DH only with Wetherholt and Donovan on a team already needing RH bats. Maybe deal Hererra since he has value and get that RH OF bat?

Re: Gorman Must Stay

Posted: 02 Sep 2025 15:39 pm
by 3dender
TheSolution wrote: 02 Sep 2025 15:36 pm
3dender wrote: 02 Sep 2025 14:52 pm We've not seen too much evidence of his power this year. He's boosted his walk rate which is encouraging, but he has yet to show 30HR power.
You understand that even his current stats, which are within a sample size of great amounts of disruption to regular playing time, projected at a full season of at-bats would put him at about that 30HR total.
Doubling his current ABs, which is generous imo, gives him 26HR, which is not 30HR.

Re: Gorman Must Stay

Posted: 02 Sep 2025 15:39 pm
by TheSolution
blackinkbiz wrote: 02 Sep 2025 15:36 pm
TheSolution wrote: 02 Sep 2025 15:34 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 02 Sep 2025 14:46 pm Unlike J. Walker who's time may be limited under C. Bloom, I'd bet Gorman is given a much longer rope given that fact that's he's the only true power bat in the organization, his age and makes no big money.

But he's also more of a DH than he is a 3rd baseman.

Perhaps if WillyC waives his NTC, then he could move to 1st base.

Walker's on a short leash in 2026, I think Gorman has a longer runway.

JMO
Agree, he’s more of a DH which adds to the problem of WC.

It’s a shame his development was so disrupted at 3b, we’ll never know. Not saying he would have become serviceable there, I’m saying it’s a shame he’s spent years away from there now and it’s impossible to know how that would’ve turned out.
He's actually looked a lot better at 3rd this past week. One of the few bright spots. Still not sure he has the arm strength to be servicable, though.
That’s positive.

I do actually think he’ll be able to play a tolerable third, especially in ‘26 when there obviously will not be an expectation to push for a World Series.

Arm and durability and just range of motion, he’s a bit rounder than the best 3b we’ve seen who have a squared off frame. He’s got that rounder frame. Think of Arenado’s frame and stance, Rolan and so many more. It’s like the difference between a tackle on the OL and a guard. The 3b is more square and lateral, the guard is more round and pulls north and south. Anyway.