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The team is lower in many of the hitting stats from 2024.
The young players haven't made any remarkable gains.
Hell, if anything they've sort of declined.
Seems to me the entire coaching staff should be replaced.
Lord knows, Dusty Blake should have been gone in 2024.
Check out the team hitting and pitching stats.
If we get these clowns again in 2026, there should be a revolt.

Bully4you wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 05:13 am The team is lower in many of the hitting stats from 2024.
The young players haven't made any remarkable gains.
Hell, if anything they've sort of declined.
Seems to me the entire coaching staff should be replaced.
Lord knows, Dusty Blake should have been gone in 2024.
Check out the team hitting and pitching stats.
If we get these clowns again in 2026, there should be a revolt.

I totally agree and hope Bloom agrees and sacks all 3 of them.

It’s time for this organization to do a deep enema flush.

The pitching is obvious. Marmol has no idea what he is doing. Locked into a pitch count regardless of what is happening. The next manager needs to be a former player who understands the game of baseball. Preferably a former catcher or pitcher.

Bully4you wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 05:13 am The team is lower in many of the hitting stats from 2024.
The young players haven't made any remarkable gains.
Hell, if anything they've sort of declined.
Seems to me the entire coaching staff should be replaced.
Lord knows, Dusty Blake should have been gone in 2024.
Check out the team hitting and pitching stats.
If we get these clowns again in 2026, there should be a revolt.

Regarding the hitting coach. How many hitting coaches has this group had while in St Louis? Maybe it’s the hitters not the coaches?

Jatalk wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 07:46 am

Bully4you wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 05:13 am The team is lower in many of the hitting stats from 2024.
The young players haven't made any remarkable gains.
Hell, if anything they've sort of declined.
Seems to me the entire coaching staff should be replaced.
Lord knows, Dusty Blake should have been gone in 2024.
Check out the team hitting and pitching stats.
If we get these clowns again in 2026, there should be a revolt.

Regarding the hitting coach. How many hitting coaches has this group had while in St Louis? Maybe it’s the hitters not the coaches?

I'm not disputing what you say, but I do want a clean slate in 2026.
That would be my preference anyway.
Jason Varitek is my hope.
It may be a lost cause with the players we have though.

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 05:53 am

Bully4you wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 05:13 am The team is lower in many of the hitting stats from 2024.
The young players haven't made any remarkable gains.
Hell, if anything they've sort of declined.
Seems to me the entire coaching staff should be replaced.
Lord knows, Dusty Blake should have been gone in 2024.
Check out the team hitting and pitching stats.
If we get these clowns again in 2026, there should be a revolt.

I totally agree and hope Bloom agrees and sacks all 3 of them.

It’s time for this organization to do a deep enema flush.

Bloom has a lot of work to do.
He inherited one of the biggest messes in Cardinal history.

Bully4you wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 07:55 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 07:46 am

Bully4you wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 05:13 am The team is lower in many of the hitting stats from 2024.
The young players haven't made any remarkable gains.
Hell, if anything they've sort of declined.
Seems to me the entire coaching staff should be replaced.
Lord knows, Dusty Blake should have been gone in 2024.
Check out the team hitting and pitching stats.
If we get these clowns again in 2026, there should be a revolt.

Regarding the hitting coach. How many hitting coaches has this group had while in St Louis? Maybe it’s the hitters not the coaches?

I'm not disputing what you say, but I do want a clean slate in 2026.
That would be my preference anyway.
Jason Varitek is my hope.
It may be a lost cause with the players we have though.

I would support wholesale change like you. I was on fence with Oli but i can’t really make an argument to keep him. And longer season goes I have a lot of questions on how he handles pitching. Bottom line he does not have the experience needed for this mess.

Jatalk wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 08:01 am

Bully4you wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 07:55 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 07:46 am

Bully4you wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 05:13 am The team is lower in many of the hitting stats from 2024.
The young players haven't made any remarkable gains.
Hell, if anything they've sort of declined.
Seems to me the entire coaching staff should be replaced.
Lord knows, Dusty Blake should have been gone in 2024.
Check out the team hitting and pitching stats.
If we get these clowns again in 2026, there should be a revolt.

Regarding the hitting coach. How many hitting coaches has this group had while in St Louis? Maybe it’s the hitters not the coaches?

I'm not disputing what you say, but I do want a clean slate in 2026.
That would be my preference anyway.
Jason Varitek is my hope.
It may be a lost cause with the players we have though.

I would support wholesale change like you. I was on fence with Oli but i can’t really make an argument to keep him. And longer season goes I have a lot of questions on how he handles pitching. Bottom line he does not have the experience needed for this mess.

Hard to say which manager would be best suited for this job.
Are there really any good ones available?
I think Varitek would be a solid choice, but he lacks experience too.

Jason Varitek currently serves as the Boston Red Sox's game-planning and run prevention coach, a role he assumed in the 2025 season after previously being a game-planning coordinator and catching coach. In this new position, he focuses on broader aspects of day-to-day team operations and works closely with manager Alex Cora, in addition to providing input in pregame pitching meetings.

Jatalk wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 07:46 am

Bully4you wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 05:13 am The team is lower in many of the hitting stats from 2024.
The young players haven't made any remarkable gains.
Hell, if anything they've sort of declined.
Seems to me the entire coaching staff should be replaced.
Lord knows, Dusty Blake should have been gone in 2024.
Check out the team hitting and pitching stats.
If we get these clowns again in 2026, there should be a revolt.

Regarding the hitting coach. How many hitting coaches has this group had while in St Louis? Maybe it’s the hitters not the coaches?

Nah, too many guys who were traded before they put in too much time in STL turned out to hit well.
Even if you're right, the hitting coaches are clearly not helping. If they are not part of the solution, we need to find someone who is.

ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 06:39 am The pitching is obvious. Marmol has no idea what he is doing. Locked into a pitch count regardless of what is happening. The next manager needs to be a former player who understands the game of baseball. Preferably a former catcher or pitcher.

Do you have a certain someone in mind lol

Unfortunately, with Mo having dipped into the rookie manager pool the last 3 times, I almost feel like they need an experienced manager to sort of right the ship. I think fans would have enthusiasm for a Yadi or Albert in the dugout, but can you legitimately go with 4 rookie managers in a row? I think they really need experience not only at the manager level, but the pitching coach and hitting coach as well.

It's time to clean house at the field managing level. The manager and all his coaches need to be gone. And the new manager needs to have a big hand and choosing his own staff.

Bully4you wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 07:56 am

Hazelwood72 wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 05:53 am

Bully4you wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 05:13 am The team is lower in many of the hitting stats from 2024.
The young players haven't made any remarkable gains.
Hell, if anything they've sort of declined.
Seems to me the entire coaching staff should be replaced.
Lord knows, Dusty Blake should have been gone in 2024.
Check out the team hitting and pitching stats.
If we get these clowns again in 2026, there should be a revolt.

I totally agree and hope Bloom agrees and sacks all 3 of them.

It’s time for this organization to do a deep enema flush.

Bloom has a lot of work to do.
He inherited one of the biggest messes in Cardinal history.

that's the truth, Bully

Bully4you wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 05:13 am The team is lower in many of the hitting stats from 2024.
The young players haven't made any remarkable gains.
Hell, if anything they've sort of declined.
Seems to me the entire coaching staff should be replaced.
Lord knows, Dusty Blake should have been gone in 2024.
Check out the team hitting and pitching stats.
If we get these clowns again in 2026, there should be a revolt.

If Oli is back in 2026 this team will not even sell out opening day. If they hit on a new manager this offseason i guarantee the fans will come back.

It won’t take a $30000000000000000000 offseason to bring the fans back. Just a little reassurance from the FO that they too…….have had it with the Mo era

Jatalk wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 07:46 am

Bully4you wrote: ↑01 Sep 2025 05:13 am The team is lower in many of the hitting stats from 2024.
The young players haven't made any remarkable gains.
Hell, if anything they've sort of declined.
Seems to me the entire coaching staff should be replaced.
Lord knows, Dusty Blake should have been gone in 2024.
Check out the team hitting and pitching stats.
If we get these clowns again in 2026, there should be a revolt.

Regarding the hitting coach. How many hitting coaches has this group had while in St Louis? Maybe it’s the hitters not the coaches?

While not a fan of those three coaches, you are 100% correct that at some point it has to fall on the players. If we only keep one, I’d hope it’s Brown. His simplistic approach seems at least a better approach than the overly analytical aspects of his predecessors.

This data-driven era that has supposedly revolutionized the game has created more mediocrity and a boring brand of baseball. It has eliminated half the action that made it the great sport it has been for well over a century.

And no, this is not an old man nostalgic rant. I’m apparently one of the younger posters here.