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Pallante Never Should Have Started
Posted: 28 Aug 2025 19:18 pm
by TheSolution
Andre is just 6 foot, a thick body, and character-first pitcher.
He is a bullpen weapon.
A guy that can pitch high leverage with a lead and a guy who could give you 4 outs or 2 innings when needed.
A guy that can bridge you from the 7th to the 9th.
The Cardinals, who have notoriously been unable to understand body types and body mechanics, as they shifted every resource to data driven decision making, missed the visual cues that make it obvious Andre was a wonderful bullpen asset, not a starter.
Andre is a talented pitcher and a determined high-character person.
It’s not surprising he had a short bit of great success as a starter, that’s predictable as the real issue and real prediction is this guy would be better in the long-term out of the bullpen.
Hopefully the wear and tear on the body and the mental side of losing as he has won’t ruin his career as a bullpen guy.
Re: Pallante Never Should Have Started
Posted: 28 Aug 2025 23:42 pm
by Rosie's Rule
Wasn’t all that great as a reliever either - perhaps it’s time for a career change
Re: Pallante Never Should Have Started
Posted: 28 Aug 2025 23:48 pm
by JuanAgosto
Problem is he probably starts next year too. Not a lot of options. Doubt DeWitt spends on pitching.
Re: Pallante Never Should Have Started
Posted: 29 Aug 2025 02:39 am
by BrockFloodMaris
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 23:48 pm
Problem is he probably starts next year too. Not a lot of options. Doubt DeWitt spends on pitching.
You just hit on one of the biggest challenges facing Bloom on day one—covering starters innings on the MLB roster in 2026. Even with Gray, Lib, AP, and McG (which sounds pretty ugly), can Chaim rely on Mathews, Doyle, plus anyone else on the farm to fill 150–180 MLB starter innings? I doubt it. I think we may have to sign at least one SP from outside the org.
Re: Pallante Never Should Have Started
Posted: 29 Aug 2025 06:43 am
by Wattage
TheSolution wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 19:18 pm
Andre is just 6 foot, a thick body, and character-first pitcher.
He is a bullpen weapon.
A guy that can pitch high leverage with a lead and a guy who could give you 4 outs or 2 innings when needed.
A guy that can bridge you from the 7th to the 9th.
The Cardinals, who have notoriously been unable to understand body types and body mechanics, as they shifted every resource to data driven decision making, missed the visual cues that make it obvious Andre was a wonderful bullpen asset, not a starter.
Andre is a talented pitcher and a determined high-character person.
It’s not surprising he had a short bit of great success as a starter, that’s predictable as the real issue and real prediction is this guy would be better in the long-term out of the bullpen.
Hopefully the wear and tear on the body and the mental side of losing as he has won’t ruin his career as a bullpen guy.
Im not excited about pallante as a starter, but he had FAR MORE SUCCESS starting than he did as a reliever prior to this year so im not sure i agree with the assessment. He at least had flashes as a starter. He struggled badly as a reliever.
Re: Pallante Never Should Have Started
Posted: 29 Aug 2025 06:59 am
by imadangman
Wattage wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 06:43 am
TheSolution wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 19:18 pm
Andre is just 6 foot, a thick body, and character-first pitcher.
He is a bullpen weapon.
A guy that can pitch high leverage with a lead and a guy who could give you 4 outs or 2 innings when needed.
A guy that can bridge you from the 7th to the 9th.
The Cardinals, who have notoriously been unable to understand body types and body mechanics, as they shifted every resource to data driven decision making, missed the visual cues that make it obvious Andre was a wonderful bullpen asset, not a starter.
Andre is a talented pitcher and a determined high-character person.
It’s not surprising he had a short bit of great success as a starter, that’s predictable as the real issue and real prediction is this guy would be better in the long-term out of the bullpen.
Hopefully the wear and tear on the body and the mental side of losing as he has won’t ruin his career as a bullpen guy.
Im not excited about pallante as a starter, but he had FAR MORE SUCCESS starting than he did as a reliever prior to this year so im not sure i agree with the assessment. He at least had flashes as a starter. He struggled badly as a reliever.
To me he is a 5th starter or long reliever. Too unpredictable as a starter.
Re: Pallante Never Should Have Started
Posted: 29 Aug 2025 07:18 am
by Clubmaker2
Sonny Gray 5ft 10 in ........
When looking at the last five seasons with a minimum of 500 innings pitched, Gray's ERA of 3.22 ranks seventh among all starting pitchers.
Re: Pallante Never Should Have Started
Posted: 29 Aug 2025 07:48 am
by HorseTrader
Based on his career numbers (including this year) he's more effective as a starter.
There have been 1294 PA against him as a starter and 580 PA against him as a reliever. The results of those are
SO/W Starter 2.08 Relief 1.39
OPS Starter .722 Relief .746
Anyone interested in the facts can see them
https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... Career&t=p
Re: Pallante Never Should Have Started
Posted: 29 Aug 2025 07:52 am
by ScotchMIrish
When it is obvious he has a tired are Marmol has him throw 90 pitcher 8 of the last 10 games regardless of the score.
Maybe this is how DH baseball works. Grind down the pitchers.
Re: Pallante Never Should Have Started
Posted: 29 Aug 2025 08:05 am
by ecleme22
TheSolution wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 19:18 pm
Andre is just 6 foot, a thick body, and character-first pitcher.
He is a bullpen weapon.
A guy that can pitch high leverage with a lead and a guy who could give you 4 outs or 2 innings when needed.
A guy that can bridge you from the 7th to the 9th.
The Cardinals, who have notoriously been unable to understand body types and body mechanics, as they shifted every resource to data driven decision making, missed the visual cues that make it obvious Andre was a wonderful bullpen asset, not a starter.
Andre is a talented pitcher and a determined high-character person.
It’s not surprising he had a short bit of great success as a starter, that’s predictable as the real issue and real prediction is this guy would be better in the long-term out of the bullpen.
Hopefully the wear and tear on the body and the mental side of losing as he has won’t ruin his career as a bullpen guy.
Hey Goober, his WHIP is 1.527 as a reliever.
Re: Pallante Never Should Have Started
Posted: 29 Aug 2025 08:08 am
by WaltsSuccessor
TheSolution wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 19:18 pm
Andre is just 6 foot, a thick body, and
character-first pitcher.
What does that even mean?
Re: Pallante Never Should Have Started
Posted: 29 Aug 2025 09:22 am
by Rojo Johnson
BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 02:39 am
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 23:48 pm
Problem is he probably starts next year too. Not a lot of options. Doubt DeWitt spends on pitching.
You just hit on one of the biggest challenges facing Bloom on day one—covering starters innings on the MLB roster in 2026. Even with Gray, Lib, AP, and McG (which sounds pretty ugly), can Chaim rely on Mathews, Doyle, plus anyone else on the farm to fill 150–180 MLB starter innings? I doubt it. I think we may have to sign at least one SP from outside the org.
It sounds hideous. I can’t even fathom what the fans ever did to Bill to make him want to put that rotation out there for next year. If that’s the case, I predict the Cards will average 4 paying fans per game in ‘26*.
*even Cranny won’t be going because he won’t be able to find anyone to give him free tickets.
Re: Pallante Never Should Have Started
Posted: 29 Aug 2025 09:36 am
by Cusecards
WaltsSuccessor wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 08:08 am
TheSolution wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 19:18 pm
Andre is just 6 foot, a thick body, and
character-first pitcher.
What does that even mean?
Not sure myself??
Maybe he can do character voices like Mel Blanc did for Loony Tunes??
Re: Pallante Never Should Have Started
Posted: 29 Aug 2025 09:39 am
by Ronnie Dobbs
Probably should have kept him starting before throwing him in the bullpen to begin with. No clue if he would be any better, as he is one more of a hundred low ceiling starters that they've drafted over the years, but I'm really hoping that this next regime stops with the "bring up a starter, split time in rotation and bullpen, then just throw in the bullpen because he throws hard" stuff.
Re: Pallante Never Should Have Started
Posted: 29 Aug 2025 09:39 am
by moose-and-squirrel
ScotchMIrish wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 07:52 am
When it is obvious he has a tired are Marmol has him throw 90 pitcher 8 of the last 10 games regardless of the score.
Maybe this is how DH baseball works. Grind down the pitchers.
if 139 IP is 'grinding him down' , maybe he needs to do something else
Re: Pallante Never Should Have Started
Posted: 29 Aug 2025 10:15 am
by BrockFloodMaris
Rojo Johnson wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 09:22 am
BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑29 Aug 2025 02:39 am
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 23:48 pm
Problem is he probably starts next year too. Not a lot of options. Doubt DeWitt spends on pitching.
You just hit on one of the biggest challenges facing Bloom on day one—covering starters innings on the MLB roster in 2026. Even with Gray, Lib, AP, and McG (which sounds pretty ugly), can Chaim rely on Mathews, Doyle, plus anyone else on the farm to fill 150–180 MLB starter innings? I doubt it. I think we may have to sign at least one SP from outside the org.
It sounds hideous. I can’t even fathom what the fans ever did to Bill to make him want to put that rotation out there for next year. If that’s the case, I predict the Cards will average 4 paying fans per game in ‘26*.
*even Cranny won’t be going because he won’t be able to find anyone to give him free tickets.
I know. I threw up in my mouth a little bit while I was typing Lib, AP and McG. We’re gonna need six or seven starters to cover all those innings.