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The problem with rebuilding
Posted: 28 Aug 2025 07:40 am
by OldRed
In my opinion the Cardinals don't have talented players to trade and make improvements.
Re: The problem with rebuilding
Posted: 28 Aug 2025 08:00 am
by Mort Gage
OldRed wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 07:40 am
In my opinion the Cardinals don't have talented players to trade and make improvements.
There was interest in Donovan and Burleson at the deadline. That was an opportunity to flip high floor, low ceiling players like them and Nootbaar for higher upside minor leaguers. It's not like they are set up to contend next year anyway. Hopefully Bloom makes some of these trades in the winter. I don't mind more losses next year if it puts them on a path to contention later.
Re: The problem with rebuilding
Posted: 28 Aug 2025 08:03 am
by ecleme22
OldRed wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 07:40 am
In my opinion the Cardinals don't have talented players to trade and make improvements.
Fortunately, this team isn't in a position the Cubs were in 2011—no farm system and a number of aging players.
They have very little fat on the mlb books.
They have also been accumulating talent since about TDL 2023.
And without trying last offseason, they are still hovering around .500.
Hopefully Bloom is laying the groundwork so once spending begins, the team has a strong foundation.
Re: The problem with rebuilding
Posted: 28 Aug 2025 08:04 am
by sikeston bulldog2
OldRed wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 07:40 am
In my opinion the Cardinals don't have talented players to trade and make improvements.
What’s the problem? You never addressed it. My thoughts. The problem with rebuilds is time and patience. Neither of which we have much of.
Re: The problem with rebuilding
Posted: 28 Aug 2025 08:07 am
by OldRed
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 08:04 am
OldRed wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 07:40 am
In my opinion the Cardinals don't have talented players to trade and make improvements.
What’s the problem? You never addressed it. My thoughts. The problem with rebuilds is time and patience. Neither of which we have much of.
I'm 80 years old; Mr. DeWitt is 83, you would think he would be out of patience.
Re: The problem with rebuilding
Posted: 28 Aug 2025 08:12 am
by 45s
OldRed wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 08:07 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 08:04 am
OldRed wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 07:40 am
In my opinion the Cardinals don't have talented players to trade and make improvements.
What’s the problem? You never addressed it. My thoughts. The problem with rebuilds is time and patience. Neither of which we have much of.
I'm 80 years old; Mr. DeWitt is 83, you would think he would be out of patience.
it depends on what one is waiting for
Re: The problem with rebuilding
Posted: 28 Aug 2025 08:20 am
by The Nard
In this type of situation, the club would need to wade into the costly FA market. Open that vault!
It’s impossible to turn this large omelet over, without ruining it. So, aim for 2 major acquisitions - 1st a prime starter, and 2ndly, a proven slugger. Want to take a chance on Devers, for example?
And open up your rotation to a couple from your farm - Matthew’s being 1.
Beef up your RP corps through trades of your undesirables on the current roster. You’ll get some middling pitchers or just prospects. However you’ll open up your 26-man for JJ and a couple of others that deserve a shot.
So yes, another rebuilding year is in the “cards” for 2026. But if you have the right mix, you may see some good results in the 2bd half of the season.
Re: The problem with rebuilding
Posted: 28 Aug 2025 08:56 am
by rockondlouie
Disagree OR
-WillyC & Gray have value if they'd waive.
-Donny has value, so does Winn & Burly.
-Noot coupled w/one of the young catchers does too.
-JoJo is a trade asset.
-Hererra could interest a team that thinks they can fix his throwing issues behind the plate, so do any one of the minor league catchers.
Re: The problem with rebuilding
Posted: 28 Aug 2025 09:13 am
by Talkin' Baseball
rockondlouie wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 08:56 am
Disagree OR
-WillyC & Gray have value if they'd waive.
-Donny has value, so does Winn & Burly.
-Noot coupled w/one of the young catchers does too.
-JoJo is a trade asset.
-Hererra could interest a team that thinks they can fix his throwing issues behind the plate, so do any one of the minor league catchers.
Rock is right. We do have players other teams want and value. We become dissatisfied because we try to make these guys the middle of the order bat, or the ace, or the closer. Most of these guys are not centerpiece type players. They are serviceable, to above average, major league players that are valuable to a contender who does have some centerpiece type players.
Re: The problem with rebuilding
Posted: 28 Aug 2025 09:31 am
by imadangman
I believe in development of players we have and a better pipeline. I'm believing in Bloom and Cerfolio until they let me down.
Re: The problem with rebuilding
Posted: 28 Aug 2025 09:47 am
by BrockFloodMaris
The Nard wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 08:20 am
In this type of situation, the club would need to wade into the costly FA market. Open that vault!
It’s impossible to turn this large omelet over, without ruining it. So, aim for 2 major acquisitions - 1st a prime starter, and 2ndly, a proven slugger. Want to take a chance on Devers, for example?
And open up your rotation to a couple from your farm - Matthew’s being 1.
Beef up your RP corps through trades of your undesirables on the current roster. You’ll get some middling pitchers or just prospects. However you’ll open up your 26-man for JJ and a couple of others that deserve a shot.
So yes, another rebuilding year is in the “cards” for 2026. But if you have the right mix, you may see some good results in the 2bd half of the season.
Much has been spoken by and written about the Cards front office's intention to commit to a player development strategy, as opposed to a free agent signing strategy. They are already well on their way to shedding themselves of high MLB contracts, and appear willing to shed more, with our existing NTCs being the guiding force.
I think my job as a fan is to get behind this player drafting and developing strategy and hold the new regime accountable to their performance to that plan. MLB wins and losses will fall in priority for a couple years.
Re: The problem with rebuilding
Posted: 28 Aug 2025 09:48 am
by ForumPolice
The problem with rebuilding is they didn't start 3 years ago
Re: The problem with rebuilding
Posted: 28 Aug 2025 09:52 am
by Bomber1
BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 09:47 am
The Nard wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 08:20 am
In this type of situation, the club would need to wade into the costly FA market. Open that vault!
It’s impossible to turn this large omelet over, without ruining it. So, aim for 2 major acquisitions - 1st a prime starter, and 2ndly, a proven slugger. Want to take a chance on Devers, for example?
And open up your rotation to a couple from your farm - Matthew’s being 1.
Beef up your RP corps through trades of your undesirables on the current roster. You’ll get some middling pitchers or just prospects. However you’ll open up your 26-man for JJ and a couple of others that deserve a shot.
So yes, another rebuilding year is in the “cards” for 2026. But if you have the right mix, you may see some good results in the 2bd half of the season.
Much has been spoken by and written about the Cards front office's intention to commit to a player development strategy, as opposed to a free agent signing strategy. They are already well on their way to shedding themselves of high MLB contracts, and appear willing to shed more, with our existing NTCs being the guiding force.
I think my job as a fan is to get behind this player drafting and developing strategy and hold the new regime accountable to their performance to that plan. MLB wins and losses will fall in priority for a couple years.
Agree 100%
Re: The problem with rebuilding
Posted: 28 Aug 2025 09:53 am
by Carp4Cy
ecleme22 wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 08:03 am
Hopefully Bloom is laying the groundwork so
once spending begins, the team has a strong foundation.
This is 80% of it right there. Our pipeline, outside of JJW and Doyle, is at best going to provide a few servicable starters but no real stars (even if we overvalue their performance initially). The vast majority of our future WAR on the next contending team is going to come from spending, either in FA, or Intl Markets, or trades for established players. Its no coincidence that Gray and Willson are two of our best players - and they weren't drafted or developed here.
The key is we need to get more than 0 production from the farm just to lift our overall talent base, and then Spend both aggressive and smart. No more large and bad contracts like on Mikolas.
Re: The problem with rebuilding
Posted: 28 Aug 2025 09:54 am
by Carp4Cy
ForumPolice wrote: ↑28 Aug 2025 09:48 am
The problem with rebuilding is they didn't start 3 years ago
They did start 3 years ago - they just couldn't trade several players because of NTCs and those they did trade have provided us with 0 WAR in return. We didn't get franchise changing steals from those trades.
Re: The problem with rebuilding
Posted: 28 Aug 2025 10:06 am
by swatski
A big problem is that FA players won’t be coming here without being overpaid. And the owners won’t allow that to happen. So it’s all up to the home grown talent which hasn’t had a good record lately. How long if ever will it take the new regime to improve on that?