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The southern states such as Kentucky , Tennessee, and Arkansas will have another place to go other than St. Louis to see MLB and they will.

Kentucky kid wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 11:11 am The southern states such as Kentucky , Tennessee, and Arkansas will have another place to go other than St. Louis to see MLB and they will.

I guess I look at sports attendance differently. First, I don't think that this is a zero sum game. Good baseball attracts more fans to the game. A rising tide raises all ships. If Nashville gets an expansion team, good on them. I wish them well. If they put a good product on the field, they will get fans.

Second, I think the Cards' biggest competition is the other places that people in and around St. Louis can spend their disposable income. If the Cards are putting out an exciting, competitive product, the fans will come, and more Cards fans will be born.

Kentucky kid wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 11:11 am The southern states such as Kentucky , Tennessee, and Arkansas will have another place to go other than St. Louis to see MLB and they will.

Nah…….

BrockFloodMaris wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 11:17 am

Kentucky kid wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 11:11 am The southern states such as Kentucky , Tennessee, and Arkansas will have another place to go other than St. Louis to see MLB and they will.

I guess I look at sports attendance differently. First, I don't think that this is a zero sum game. Good baseball attracts more fans to the game. A rising tide raises all ships. If Nashville gets an expansion team, good on them. I wish them well. If they put a good product on the field, they will get fans.

Second, I think the Cards' biggest competition is the other places that people in and around St. Louis can spend their disposable income. If the Cards are putting out an exciting, competitive product, the fans will come, and more Cards fans will be born.

Yup, by OP logic there should be no expansion teams ever... which is an argument I think but not the one he is making.

I mean a team in Portland isn't good for SEA and SF... a team in Charlotte isn't good for ATL and WAS and BAL...

But to your point I live in NC and can attest that the Nationals and Braves have gotten like 500% more of my personal ticket money over the years than they would have if I lived in STL.

Kentucky kid wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 11:11 am The southern states such as Kentucky , Tennessee, and Arkansas will have another place to go other than St. Louis to see MLB and they will.

Water is wet.

It could possibly be bad for STL, but that has more to do with the city than the Cardinals. Nashville has turned itself into one of USA's premier destination cities. STL needs to right the ship on crime and have a real plan for revitalizing the city and making it a place that people want to come to.

Now, if the Cards are top-tier competitive and invest back into the franchise properly, then the Cards fanbase will turn out regardless of how (bleep) the city itself is. But if STL was revitalized and the Cards were top-tier good, then it would be off the charts for the organization.

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 11:49 am It could possibly be bad for STL, but that has more to do with the city than the Cardinals. Nashville has turned itself into one of USA's premier destination cities. STL needs to right the ship on crime and have a real plan for revitalizing the city and making it a place that people want to come to.

Now, if the Cards are top-tier competitive and invest back into the franchise properly, then the Cards fanbase will turn out regardless of how (bleep) the city itself is. But if STL was revitalized and the Cards were top-tier good, then it would be off the charts for the organization.

Agree….

But I think there is little chance of the city coming back…

Business, entertainment, jobs, industry…..the momentum of the country is South..

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 11:49 am It could possibly be bad for STL, but that has more to do with the city than the Cardinals. Nashville has turned itself into one of USA's premier destination cities. STL needs to right the ship on crime and have a real plan for revitalizing the city and making it a place that people want to come to.

Now, if the Cards are top-tier competitive and invest back into the franchise properly, then the Cards fanbase will turn out regardless of how (bleep) the city itself is. But if STL was revitalized and the Cards were top-tier good, then it would be off the charts for the organization.

Really. Slam stl crime while talking up Nashville?

Nashville's crime rate is higher than both the state and national averages. While the city's overall crime rate is 57.31 per 1000 people, it's important to note that the violent and property crime rates are significantly higher than the national average. Specifically, Nashville ranks 5th among U.S. cities with the highest violent crime rates, with a rate of 1,124.1 per 100,000 people according to Security.org.

Nashville would pull from several teams. Us, probably some from Chicago, Cincy, Atlanta....

But I could also see Nashville flopping pretty hard. Yeah, there's potential to pull from those teams, but a LOT of those people have been Cards/Cubs/Reds/Braves fans for generations. It's not a given that loyalties will change overnight. Though, if the Nashville team comes out hot, then they could make a go of it. People like a winner.

On top of that, Nashville's probably got a lot more going for it as a city than St. Louis. Obviously, they get tons of music tourism. I don't think it would be a huge stretch to imagine that working against a MLB team there. Nashville's pretty big, for sure, but it's not like LA, New York, Chicago, Dallas/Ft. Worth, etc where there's a large enough market there for the population to fill multiple buckets, as it were.

Tl;dr: I don't think Nashville is as big of a slam dunk for a SUCCESSFUL MLB expansion as people think.

Absolut wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 11:59 am

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 11:49 am It could possibly be bad for STL, but that has more to do with the city than the Cardinals. Nashville has turned itself into one of USA's premier destination cities. STL needs to right the ship on crime and have a real plan for revitalizing the city and making it a place that people want to come to.

Now, if the Cards are top-tier competitive and invest back into the franchise properly, then the Cards fanbase will turn out regardless of how (bleep) the city itself is. But if STL was revitalized and the Cards were top-tier good, then it would be off the charts for the organization.

Really. Slam stl crime while talking up Nashville?

Nashville's crime rate is higher than both the state and national averages. While the city's overall crime rate is 57.31 per 1000 people, it's important to note that the violent and property crime rates are significantly higher than the national average. Specifically, Nashville ranks 5th among U.S. cities with the highest violent crime rates, with a rate of 1,124.1 per 100,000 people according to Security.org.

Walk downtown Nashville and then walk downtown STL. You'd be a liar if you said you felt safer in STL. Not to mention all of the things there are to do in downtown Nashville vs downtown STL.

None of StL, Atlanta or Cincinnati will allow MLB to put a franchise in Nashville. 2 of those 3 teams suck at drawing spectators and the small TV markets would be made smaller. Won’t happen unless it’s StL going to TN.

Absolut wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 11:59 am

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 11:49 am It could possibly be bad for STL, but that has more to do with the city than the Cardinals. Nashville has turned itself into one of USA's premier destination cities. STL needs to right the ship on crime and have a real plan for revitalizing the city and making it a place that people want to come to.

Now, if the Cards are top-tier competitive and invest back into the franchise properly, then the Cards fanbase will turn out regardless of how (bleep) the city itself is. But if STL was revitalized and the Cards were top-tier good, then it would be off the charts for the organization.

Really. Slam stl crime while talking up Nashville?

Nashville's crime rate is higher than both the state and national averages. While the city's overall crime rate is 57.31 per 1000 people, it's important to note that the violent and property crime rates are significantly higher than the national average. Specifically, Nashville ranks 5th among U.S. cities with the highest violent crime rates, with a rate of 1,124.1 per 100,000 people according to Security.org.

I personally don't think crime is as prevalent as many people think as it's almost exclusively limited to certain sections of the city. I also don't think it deters people from coming to a ballgame as much as something like traffic or winning.

Also, one problem measuring and using crime rate is using it against a defined city population based on area, rather than the metro area. When you look at violent crime rates in cities, you always get cities like Memphis, Oakland, Detroit, St Louis, Baltimore, Cleveland, Birmingham, and Nashville now. However, by metro area, Memphis is still #1, but then it's Monroe, Anchorage, Albuquerque, Little Rock, Albany, GA, and Lubbock. Not exactly as potent of a message.

The first major baseball city in America that is on the list is Milwaukee at #25, then Houston at #35, then Nashville at #40.

Nashville is the place to go if you want to get drunk and/or listen to country music. Outside of sports that’s about it.
Plus it has a huge traffic issue as it has vastly outgrown its traffic design. However it is half the distance for me to travel for a game so it would depend on where they would build the new stadium. They are building a new football stadium downtown so not a lot of space left there.

PadsFS07 wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 13:08 pm

Absolut wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 11:59 am

Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 11:49 am It could possibly be bad for STL, but that has more to do with the city than the Cardinals. Nashville has turned itself into one of USA's premier destination cities. STL needs to right the ship on crime and have a real plan for revitalizing the city and making it a place that people want to come to.

Now, if the Cards are top-tier competitive and invest back into the franchise properly, then the Cards fanbase will turn out regardless of how (bleep) the city itself is. But if STL was revitalized and the Cards were top-tier good, then it would be off the charts for the organization.

Really. Slam stl crime while talking up Nashville?

Nashville's crime rate is higher than both the state and national averages. While the city's overall crime rate is 57.31 per 1000 people, it's important to note that the violent and property crime rates are significantly higher than the national average. Specifically, Nashville ranks 5th among U.S. cities with the highest violent crime rates, with a rate of 1,124.1 per 100,000 people according to Security.org.

I personally don't think crime is as prevalent as many people think as it's almost exclusively limited to certain sections of the city. I also don't think it deters people from coming to a ballgame as much as something like traffic or winning.

Also, one problem measuring and using crime rate is using it against a defined city population based on area, rather than the metro area. When you look at violent crime rates in cities, you always get cities like Memphis, Oakland, Detroit, St Louis, Baltimore, Cleveland, Birmingham, and Nashville now. However, by metro area, Memphis is still #1, but then it's Monroe, Anchorage, Albuquerque, Little Rock, Albany, GA, and Lubbock. Not exactly as potent of a message.

The first major baseball city in America that is on the list is Milwaukee at #25, then Houston at #35, then Nashville at #40.

Agree. There is this hysterical contingent of people who think going to a Cardinal game is taking your life in your hands. It’s ridiculous.

Good, won't miss those inbreds.

Kentucky kid wrote: ↑20 Aug 2025 11:11 am The southern states such as Kentucky , Tennessee, and Arkansas will have another place to go other than St. Louis to see MLB and they will.

Well St. Louis would prefer they put a team in Charlotte, NC which has a bigger population.

and Atlanta are both closer to Nashville than St.Louis (30 and 60 miles respectively). So they should see an effect.

But yeah fans in SEC states (KY, Tenn, Alabama) that are traditional Cardinals country should naturally gravitate to Nashville.