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6.75 ERA, 2.00 WHIP, 3 runs in 4 innings.

Hard to see them having any interest in bringing him back, especially with guys like O'Brien (eff. wild) and Svanson stepping up a bit

Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑10 Aug 2025 23:32 pm 6.75 ERA, 2.00 WHIP, 3 runs in 4 innings.

Hard to see them having any interest in bringing him back, especially with guys like O'Brien (eff. wild) and Svanson stepping up a bit

I would hope not he was living dangerously with the cards and getting lucky stranding runners they should have traded him in the offseason they certainly shouldn’t bring him back. Cards bullpen has been just fine without him he isn’t missed even though some were predicting doom if they traded such a great closer

Yeah, lets just hope at LEAST one of those prospects we got for him pan out, preferably Baez. Maybe win a trade for once lol

I guess he misses his golfing buddy Arenado!

Depends on the price of course but I would bring him back. He is an effective closer and reliever.

Jatalk wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 04:22 am Depends on the price of course but I would bring him back. He is an effective closer and reliever.

"Is"......or was? He hasn't really looked real effective this year. The inevitable decline of closers.

RamFan08NY wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 05:42 am

Jatalk wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 04:22 am Depends on the price of course but I would bring him back. He is an effective closer and reliever.

"Is"......or was? He hasn't really looked real effective this year. The inevitable decline of closers.

Part of that is because people compare this year to the incredible year he had last year. I’m not overpaying but he has a spot on my team.

Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑10 Aug 2025 23:32 pm 6.75 ERA, 2.00 WHIP, 3 runs in 4 innings.

Hard to see them having any interest in bringing him back, especially with guys like O'Brien (eff. wild) and Svanson stepping up a bit

He had 2 bad games. Csrds may eventually not want to, but i wouldnt call 2 bad games an enormous sample size.

Especially cuz in first bad game he had es aped inning for strikeout but his pitch called back because of a barely late pitch clock infravtion, at which point he then failed to escape.

Helsley has not.been helsley of last year- but pulling up a sample soze of 5 games cuz of 2 bad ones is silly overdramatization

Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑10 Aug 2025 23:43 pm Yeah, lets just hope at LEAST one of those prospects we got for him pan out, preferably Baez. Maybe win a trade for once lol

They've won several trades recently: Montgomery/Stratton (Roby/Saggese/King), DeJong (Svanson) and Sosa (Romero) immediately come to mind.

3dender wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 07:21 am

Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑10 Aug 2025 23:43 pm Yeah, lets just hope at LEAST one of those prospects we got for him pan out, preferably Baez. Maybe win a trade for once lol

They've won several trades recently: Montgomery/Stratton (Roby/Saggese/King), DeJong (Svanson) and Sosa (Romero) immediately come to mind.

I wouldn’t say the cards won the Montgomery trade the rangers he helped them win the World Series which a World Series for roby saggese king any team would do any day

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 08:34 am

3dender wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 07:21 am

Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑10 Aug 2025 23:43 pm Yeah, lets just hope at LEAST one of those prospects we got for him pan out, preferably Baez. Maybe win a trade for once lol

They've won several trades recently: Montgomery/Stratton (Roby/Saggese/King), DeJong (Svanson) and Sosa (Romero) immediately come to mind.

I wouldn’t say the cards won the Montgomery trade the rangers he helped them win the World Series which a World Series for roby saggese king any team would do any day

The Cardinals weren't going to the playoffs that year, so it's not like the playoff boost Montgomery gave the Rangers was something the Cardinals "lost."

They got 3 players who have already given them almost as much WAR as Montgomery provided the Rangers in his 2 months with TEX. And they still have the 2 best players under control for 11 more years, so any additional WAR they accrue will only make the trade more of a win for the Cards.

3dender wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 08:51 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 08:34 am

3dender wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 07:21 am

Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑10 Aug 2025 23:43 pm Yeah, lets just hope at LEAST one of those prospects we got for him pan out, preferably Baez. Maybe win a trade for once lol

They've won several trades recently: Montgomery/Stratton (Roby/Saggese/King), DeJong (Svanson) and Sosa (Romero) immediately come to mind.

I wouldn’t say the cards won the Montgomery trade the rangers he helped them win the World Series which a World Series for roby saggese king any team would do any day

The Cardinals weren't going to the playoffs that year, so it's not like the playoff boost Montgomery gave the Rangers was something the Cardinals "lost."

They got 3 players who have already given them almost as much WAR as Montgomery provided the Rangers in his 2 months with TEX. And they still have the 2 best players under control for 11 more years, so any additional WAR they accrue will only make the trade more of a win for the Cards.

I’ll bet you would have a hard time convincing the rangers or their fans they lost the trade when they won the World Series. That’s as crazy trying to tell the cards fans or the cardinals they lost the rasmus trade when it helped the cardinals win the World Series sure Rasmus had a 5 war season for the blue jays and 2 20 home run seasons but I’ll take the World Series any day you may declare the rasmus trade a loss but I sure don’t

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 08:55 am

3dender wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 08:51 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 08:34 am

3dender wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 07:21 am

Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑10 Aug 2025 23:43 pm Yeah, lets just hope at LEAST one of those prospects we got for him pan out, preferably Baez. Maybe win a trade for once lol

They've won several trades recently: Montgomery/Stratton (Roby/Saggese/King), DeJong (Svanson) and Sosa (Romero) immediately come to mind.

I wouldn’t say the cards won the Montgomery trade the rangers he helped them win the World Series which a World Series for roby saggese king any team would do any day

The Cardinals weren't going to the playoffs that year, so it's not like the playoff boost Montgomery gave the Rangers was something the Cardinals "lost."

They got 3 players who have already given them almost as much WAR as Montgomery provided the Rangers in his 2 months with TEX. And they still have the 2 best players under control for 11 more years, so any additional WAR they accrue will only make the trade more of a win for the Cards.

I’ll bet you would have a hard time convincing the rangers or their fans they lost the trade when they won the World Series. That’s as crazy trying to tell the cards fans or the cardinals they lost the rasmus trade when it helped the cardinals win the World Series sure Rasmus had a 5 war season for the blue jays and 2 20 home run seasons but I’ll take the World Series any day you may declare the rasmus trade a loss but I sure don’t

Of course they won the Monty trade.

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 08:55 am

3dender wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 08:51 am

Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 08:34 am

3dender wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 07:21 am

Jobu's Rum wrote: ↑10 Aug 2025 23:43 pm Yeah, lets just hope at LEAST one of those prospects we got for him pan out, preferably Baez. Maybe win a trade for once lol

They've won several trades recently: Montgomery/Stratton (Roby/Saggese/King), DeJong (Svanson) and Sosa (Romero) immediately come to mind.

I wouldn’t say the cards won the Montgomery trade the rangers he helped them win the World Series which a World Series for roby saggese king any team would do any day

The Cardinals weren't going to the playoffs that year, so it's not like the playoff boost Montgomery gave the Rangers was something the Cardinals "lost."

They got 3 players who have already given them almost as much WAR as Montgomery provided the Rangers in his 2 months with TEX. And they still have the 2 best players under control for 11 more years, so any additional WAR they accrue will only make the trade more of a win for the Cards.

I’ll bet you would have a hard time convincing the rangers or their fans they lost the trade when they won the World Series. That’s as crazy trying to tell the cards fans or the cardinals they lost the rasmus trade when it helped the cardinals win the World Series sure Rasmus had a 5 war season for the blue jays and 2 20 home run seasons but I’ll take the World Series any day you may declare the rasmus trade a loss but I sure don’t

Have you ever heard of a win-win trade? Those exist!

The fact that the Rangers won the WS with he help of Monty means it was a big success for them. However, that doesn't mean the Cards should not have traded a rental and tried to get as much back as possible, which they did.
Many said not to trade Helsley, but that was also clearly needed. Even if they didn't get great players back, the team wasn't going to sign him (or Monty) -- and it has opened up the opportunity to see who can be a closer.

ClassicO wrote: ↑11 Aug 2025 09:04 am The fact that the Rangers won the WS with he help of Monty means it was a big success for them. However, that doesn't mean the Cards should not have traded a rental and tried to get as much back as possible, which they did.
There were many who said not to trade Helsley, but that was also clearly needed.

Oh I agree Montgomery should have been traded and helsley should have been traded in the offseason when he had a lot more value